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Average sum needed for a fixer upper

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    #32
    terrydel
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    One thing to bear in mind is that if the place is cold, damp whatever and you decide to live in that for an extended period, it'll damage your health. Personally think people ignore the health impact of a good home over a bad one.


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    #33
    GaGa21
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    We are doing a similiar renovation with a budget of 40k but without the windows so add probably another 10k for that.
    My advice is to get at least 3 quotes for each job. And try go direct labour instead of with a contractor.
    Furnishings, appliances, beds,etc will obviously be more again.


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    #34
    [Deleted User]
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    tommythecat wrote: »
    Really rough figures:

    Windows 15k
    /QUOTE]

    Its a terraced house ,
    Even if it cost a grand a window/door you couldn't make 15k worth of windows.


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    #35
    Sleepy
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    Depends on the windows BrownFinger. I'll be looking at roughly 10k just to do the front of our terraced house because we have to use a particular type of sash window as we're in an Architectural Conservation Area). It'll easily clear 20k by the time we get the back done as well.


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    #36
    ted1
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    Top end coloured PVC windows including fitting are about 900 euro a window.

    Better than an average triple glazed.



    A decent size large kitchen from ikea 3,500.
    Appliances 2500, flooring 1,000


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    #37
    The Enbalmer
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    ted1 wrote: »
    Top end coloured PVC windows including fitting are about 900 euro a window.

    Better than an average triple glazed.



    A decent size large kitchen from ikea 3,500.
    Appliances 2500, flooring 1,000




    Ikea kitchens are crap and they are already becoming unpopular..if you ever want to sell an Ikea kitchen will not help you!


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    #38
    Interested Observer
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    BrownFinger wrote: »
    Its a terraced house ,
    Even if it cost a grand a window/door you couldn't make 15k worth of windows.

    I got quotes from Fairco and Senator at the weekend for 5 windows in my mid terrace and the cheaper one was about 1200 per window, but still a long way to 15k.

    On ikea kitchens, they charge nearly as much to install as they do to buy the thing if you're not going to do it yourself.


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    #39
    Ray Palmer
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    On IKEA kitchens DO NOT BUY.

    They use a different sizing than the standard sizes used in Ireland. Standard unit in Ireland are 600mm and so our the appliances. Can't remember their measurements but they are different and you have to compensate around them. Then you are stuck with Ikea for your kitchen or have to RIP everything out.

    Kitchens are really easy to install and the plumbing part are easy with water already there


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    Interested Observer
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    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    On IKEA kitchens DO NOT BUY.

    They use a different sizing than the standard sizes used in Ireland. Standard unit in Ireland are 600mm and so our the appliances. Can't remember their measurements but they are different and you have to compensate around them. Then you are stuck with Ikea for your kitchen or have to RIP everything out.

    Kitchens are really easy to install and the plumbing part are easy with water already there

    I think in the coming years I'm going to try install my own kitchen. Are there places other than IKEA you csn buy them 'flat pack' or can any kitchen place supply it for self install?


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    #41
    ted1
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    The Enbalmer wrote: »
    Ikea kitchens are crap and they are already becoming unpopular..if you ever want to sell an Ikea kitchen will not help you!

    Rubbish. They are excellent and because they are modular they are very customisable and have lots of optional extras.

    What makes you say they are crap ?


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    #42
    ted1
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    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    On IKEA kitchens DO NOT BUY.

    They use a different sizing than the standard sizes used in Ireland. Standard unit in Ireland are 600mm and so our the appliances. Can't remember their measurements but they are different and you have to compensate around them. Then you are stuck with Ikea for your kitchen or have to RIP everything out.

    Kitchens are really easy to install and the plumbing part are easy with water already there

    And they sell appliances that fit. It’s not really an issue.

    Edit: out if interest I just picked a random integrated dishwasher in curry’s and IKEA. Both the same size

    https://www.currys.ie/ieen/household-appliances/dishwashing/dishwashers/beko-din15x11-full-size-fully-integrated-dishwasher-10182820-pdt.html


    https://www.ikea.com/ie/en/products/kitchen-products/appliances/dishwashers/lagan-integrated-dishwasher-white-art-40385798/


    Ikea are also 600.

    https://www.ikea.com/ie/en/products/kitchen-products/kitchen-cabinets/metod-base-cabinet-with-shelves-white-ringhult-white-spr-39911475/


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    #43
    ted1
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    Interested Observer wrote: »
    I think in the coming years I'm going to try install my own kitchen. Are there places other than IKEA you csn buy them 'flat pack' or can any kitchen place supply it for self install?

    Yes, but there are very limited in the configuration and extras.

    The beauty with Ikea is you go go back in a few years and purchase new doors , shelves , etc and change your kitchen at minimal cost. As everything fits and is easily interchangeable


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    #44
    tabby aspreme
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    The main differences, with Ikea kitchens are the height of the units, for example, a standard base unit is 720mm high , an Ikea base unit is 800mm high, also Ikea units need a 630mm deep worktop to cover them, a standard worktop is 600 mm deep. The quality of Ikea units is similar to most on the market but I think the laminate on their worktops is thinner than other laminate worktops.


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    #45
    GreeBo
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    Interested Observer wrote: »
    I think in the coming years I'm going to try install my own kitchen. Are there places other than IKEA you csn buy them 'flat pack' or can any kitchen place supply it for self install?

    B&q and cash and carry kitchen will also sell them seed install.

    Ikea units are fine.

    3500 will buy a lot of self install kitchen!

    I just replaced double oven, hob, dishwasher, fridge and microwave for 1300 between powercityc and Harvey Norman.
    Again 2500 will go a long way off you let it, remembering that you don't have to buy the best of everything now, get the structure right and upgrade finishes later.

    Don't build a crappy house and put in nice finishes.


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    #46
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,394 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Interested Observer wrote: »
    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    On IKEA kitchens DO NOT BUY.

    They use a different sizing than the standard sizes used in Ireland. Standard unit in Ireland are 600mm and so our the appliances. Can't remember their measurements but they are different and you have to compensate around them. Then you are stuck with Ikea for your kitchen or have to RIP everything out.

    Kitchens are really easy to install and the plumbing part are easy with water already there

    I think in the coming years I'm going to try install my own kitchen. Are there places other than IKEA you csn buy them 'flat pack' or can any kitchen place supply it for self install?
    The point is pretty much all kitchens are flat pack. Unless you are paying somebody to hand make your kitchen they are all flat pack. Any building provider will supply most part for a kitchen. The things like doors and work tops can be purchased from specialist if you want a particular finish.
    Get good carcasses and so even if you totally redesign the kitchen you can reuse them.
    The prices for kitchen doors etc are extortionate given that they generally just coated MDF. I have seen designs where people got plywood doors made at a fraction of the price. Can look very well and can be painted. Counter top lengths are cheap yet the charges for installation is normally jacked up when getting it as an install package.


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    #47
    Sunrise_Sunset
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    tommythecat wrote: »
    Really rough figures:
    Kitchen 10k
    Plumbing 7.5k
    Windows 15k
    Electrical 10k
    Insulation etc 5k
    New bathroom 5k
    New floors 2-3k
    Painting etc 600
    Labour a few k

    These are really really rough but it might give you an idea of what’s in front of you. If there are any issues found such as damp then who knows!

    Order of importance? Electrical and plumbing first? Then insulation, floors, windows, kitchen, bathroom?


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    #48
    Sunrise_Sunset
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    Wabbit Ears wrote: »
    There are a few houses near me ( meath ) that are total fixer uppers which have asking prices similar and even above more modern turnkey properties. If you add a 100k to these properties they are just stupidly priced. Luckily none if them seem to be selling.

    This one is up for sale a few months now. Recently reduced the price from 285k to 270k. EA told me there was a cash offer of 260k that they turned down (this was before the price was reduced). Seems a bit odd. Unless they pulled their offer before then.
    If it realistically needs 100k of work, I wouldn't want to pay more than 200k for the house. We don't have a lot of scope for getting 100k together though. Most of our money will be gone for the deposit.


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    #49
    ted1
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    Sunrise_Sunset wrote: »
    This one is up for sale a few months now. Recently reduced the price from 285k to 270k. EA told me there was a cash offer of 260k that they turned down (this was before the price was reduced). Seems a bit odd. Unless they pulled their offer before then.
    If it realistically needs 100k of work, I wouldn't want to pay more than 200k for the house. We don't have a lot of scope for getting 100k together though. Most of our money will be gone for the deposit.

    Often you find that when you move in the realistic figure is a nowhere near the figure you thought when you first looked at it.

    The pipes might be ok. So all off a sudden you are just changing a boiler for 1800 instead if plumbing for 7.5.

    The wiring might be ok. Just change consumer board. And so on.


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    #50
    Sunrise_Sunset
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    ted1 wrote: »
    Often you find that when you move in the realistic figure is a nowhere near the figure you thought when you first looked at it.

    The pipes might be ok. So all off a sudden you are just changing a boiler for 1800 instead if plumbing for 7.5.

    The wiring might be ok. Just change consumer board. And so on.

    Can these be checked before buying? Where would I get this information?


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    #51
    awec
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    Interested Observer wrote: »
    I think in the coming years I'm going to try install my own kitchen. Are there places other than IKEA you csn buy them 'flat pack' or can any kitchen place supply it for self install?

    Aside from really high end kitchens, which are literally built from scratch in your house, kitchens in general come as flat pack. They may even be semi-assembled, and it's like putting together a jigsaw.


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