VW ID.3

Mike9832

Shefwedfan wrote: »

To be honest if you where not disappointed I think everyone on the forum would faint in shock :P:P:P:P:P:P

True

Weird no mention of self driving tech either

Strangely know one is talking about self driving anymore

Only last year loads of posters here thought it was imminent lol 😂

Shefwedfan

Mike9832 wrote: »

True

Weird no mention of self driving tech either

Strangely know one is talking about self driving anymore

Only last year loads of posters here thought it was imminent lol 😂

Not me, self driving is a legal nightmare and insurance companies don’t want to know

Look at the video of plonkers in US asleep at the wheel of Tesla....loads of them....if that person crashed and killed someone could the family sue Tesla for negligence?

I doubt Vw want to be the test dummies, let Tesla off with it, it’s not like they will hurt VW car sales anyway

jusmeig

Mike9832 wrote: »

True

Weird no mention of self driving tech either

Strangely know one is talking about self driving anymore

Only last year loads of posters here thought it was imminent lol 😂

Cars have been driving themselves for years, legislation is certainly not imminent. You can get a self driving Waymo if you are on the early access program in parts of the US.

KCross

Mike9832 wrote: »

True

Weird no mention of self driving tech either

Strangely know one is talking about self driving anymore

Only last year loads of posters here thought it was imminent lol ��

It think it was in the previous ID.3 reveal several months ago where the VW exec clearly said they are not pursuing self-driving tech.

VW believes the tech is not good enough yet to commercialise it and they are staying away from it. I think they said something like... "maybe 2030".

I'll see if I can find that interview.


EDIT: Here it is... skip to 52:00

Black_Knight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jprpvBD4m_o

Bob has been in it.

TBH, I much prefer the outside to the inside. Inside looks a bit cheap in places. The white/grey plastics with black screens just looks odd (binnacle, center console physical buttons. I never liked a dash binnacle that's not integrated into the dash. Cup holders area and arm rests look kinda dated too.
The infotainment system looks pretty decent though.

sk8board

We have a golf and 4 series in our house, both of us considering changing next year, so it was an interesting day for us to say the least -
We liked the id3. Price will be so important and we’re not buying without sitting in anything.

It’s down to something like the ID3 or a Tiguan for us most likely, with 3 kids (only one in a car seat). It’s physically bigger inside than the golf for sure.

The infotainment screen is raised simply because the dash itself is too far to reach with the interior space.
You’d need the dark interior.
I’m all for new tech and trying new things - hence we aren’t considering an eGolf, or any old designs with a battery pack added.

We watched all the reviews last night, incl Bobs, and we were definitely more impressed than not by it, but will wait to sit in one and see the prices.

As for the new 4 series, jeepers - a fantastic design with a face only a mother could love!

I just wish more manufacturers steered away from touch screens in cars and used a system like BMW's iDrive, it's vastly superior, ( in my opinion )

Touch with left hand in car when right handed is not so good ( to me )

marcos_94

sk8board wrote: »

The infotainment screen is raised simply because the dash itself is too far to reach with the interior space.
You’d need the dark interior. I’m all for new tech and trying new things - hence we aren’t even considering an eGolf.

We watched all the reviews last night, incl Bobs, and we were definitely more impressed than not by it, but will wait to sit in one and see the prices.

Completely agree. The interior will be no different in quality or cheaper looking than a current Golf, so im not sure why people seem so worried by that. The screen is funny looking but these protruding screens seem to be a design piece now like in Mercedes or BMW at the moment (maybe a bit more odd looking).

I actually thought the light interior was quite nice. I would like the dark coloured seats with the light dash and trim. But then, Iv always preferred cream leather and wood trim to black leather and plastic trim.

Have I got this right, 100 Kw charging is offered as an option on the smallest Kwh battery ? that's at least good news if true.

liamog

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Have I got this right, 100 Kw charging is offered as an option on the smallest Kwh battery ? that's at least good news if true.

That's certainly what they seem to be saying, 50kW by default with an optional upgrade to 100kW.

KCross

liamog wrote: »

That's certainly what they seem to be saying, 50kW by default with an optional upgrade to 100kW.

Where did they say that?

Its a bit of a lousy thing to do tbh. Thats just a software unlock for them and they're using it to jack up the margin.

Round Cable

KCross wrote: »

Its a bit of a lousy thing to do tbh. Thats just a software unlock for them and they're using it to jack up the margin.

VW would be experts at charging for "extras", a windscreen will probably be an optional extra on the base ID3.

liamog

KCross wrote: »

Where did they say that?

Its a bit of a lousy thing to do tbh. Thats just a software unlock for them and they're using it to jack up the margin.

Picked it up from a number of news sources https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2020-volkswagen-id-3

50kW to 100kW DC charging may not just be a software unlock.
That's going from CCS 1.0 to CCS 2.0 and requires a higher rated cable from the charge port to the battery. It may also require a different BMS component.

I've noticed a lot of cars are sticking to the 50kW, it could be that Bosch have a relatively cheap 50kW charge controller.

A charging capacity of 100kW will be available on the mid-range ID 3, with a promised charging time of 30 minutes for 155 miles of range. The smaller-battery ID 3 will offer 50kW, but with an optional 100kW. The top-range ID 3 will be capable of charging at 125kW.

gooner99

Interior looks better quality in black. It's harder to make a white interior look good even in soft touch material, unless it's all leather.

KCross

liamog wrote: »

Picked it up from a number of news sources https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2020-volkswagen-id-3

Ok, I was hoping it was an official spec sheet from VW. They said previously that all the specs would be released at this show.... later in the week I guess.

liamog wrote: »

50kW to 100kW DC charging may not just be a software unlock.
That's going from CCS 1.0 to CCS 2.0 and requires a higher rated cable from the charge port to the battery. It may also require a different BMS component.

I've noticed a lot of cars are sticking to the 50kW, it could be that Bosch have a relatively cheap 50kW charge controller.

Well, it doesnt even have to go to 100kW. I believe CCS 1.0 allows upto 200A. Why does it need to be restricted to 125A?

Getting 70kW from a 100kW charger would be acceptable. There is no need to limit it to <50kW other than to get people to spend more money... such is capitalism!

Going to a higher voltage battery is fine but , depending on the "C" rate of the battery and the Ah it might not be able to take the amps with less AH so the limit of 50 Kw might be the best option but they should be well capable of at least 70 Kw in standard lower voltage form.

Most manufacturers are unfortunately seemingly going to use 50 Kw as the new "standard" of "fast" charging , it's very disappointing, this is technology from 2009 , 10 years old !

BIGT4464

So its basically an eGolf for now

KCross

KCross wrote: »

Ok, I was hoping it was an official spec sheet from VW. They said previously that all the specs would be released at this show.... later in the week I guess.




Well, it doesnt even have to go to 100kW. I believe CCS 1.0 allows upto 200A. Why does it need to be restricted to 125A?

Getting 70kW from a 100kW charger would be acceptable. There is no need to limit it to <50kW other than to get people to spend more money... such is capitalism!

Yep absolutely and it's a liquid cooled pack !

Why did BMW stick to 50 Kw DC with the 44 Kwh ?

BIGT4464

BIGT4464 wrote: »

So its basically an eGolf for now

No not really, it's going to be a lot better to drive ( in my opinion ) much faster and rear wheel drive and drive further up to a lot further with larger battery option.

GTI performance really that costs extremely little to run.

Going to be a little rocket with 200 Hp and RWD !

liamog

Deleted User wrote: »

Why did BMW stick to 50 Kw DC with the 44 Kwh ?

Probably for the same reason, the DC charging hardware they use is only rated for 125A and so they keep using it.

pearsefitz

I do agree the black interior looks better but white or cream interior options are favoured in hot countries. Jus my thinking on it. Same for loud brash colours not for me but if i lived in Spain or italy.

liamog

liamog wrote: »

Probably for the same reason, the DC charging hardware they use is only rated for 125A and so they keep using it.

It's not dfficult to change the hardware but somewhere along the lines they might have to retool the production line and they don't want to slow that down or dtop it !

Still, it's ridiculous they didn't increase the charging power after all the battery is cooled down by actual AC not water cooling. An extra 20 Kw makes a big deal.

Mike9832

Deleted User wrote: »

No not really, it's going to be a lot better to drive ( in my opinion ) much faster and rear wheel drive and drive further up to a lot further with larger battery option.

GTI performance really that costs extremely little to run.

Going to be a little rocket with 200 Hp and RWD !

At 1800kg its not going to be winning any races past 100km/h

You'll be bored i'd say

Your i3 at 1300kg/170bhp will leave it for dead

Mike9832

Mike9832 wrote: »

At 1800kg its not going to be winning any races past 100km/h

You'll be bored i'd say

Your i3 at 1300kg/170bhp will leave it for dead

Depends on torque. I didn't see the specs or 0-100.

The extra power might help. Still be some fun. Not as much as i3 no doubt, it's as you say lighter so that definitely helps for belting it around.

I still want to drive the i3 S.

Lumen

Deleted User wrote: »

I still want to drive the i3 S.

There's loads for sale in the UK. Is there really no VRT on them as an import? That's what the VRT calculator tells me.

Rusky rusky

Found the prices and specs in the nextmove YouTube video description:


The VW ID.3 in the 1st Edition is available in three lines:

ID.3 1ST Line 1 "Standard" under 40,000 euros
► 18-inch alloy wheels
► Winter Comfort
► Navigation system incl. Media Control, DAB + Radio
► App Connect
► Voice control
► Mode 2 charging cable for normal sockets
► ACC
► Frontassist
► Alternative support, turn assistant
► Traffic sign recognition
► Leather multifunction steering wheel, heatable
► floor mats
► Design Scopes 1ST Edition

ID.3 1ST Line 2 or "Plus" starts at less than 46,000 euros

in addition to Line 1 is included
► 19-inch alloy wheels
► Exterior Style Package (Bicolor Colors)
► Darkened side and rear windows
► Lighting Pack (IQ.Light LED Matrix Headlight, LED Tail Lights,
advanced ambient lighting, front light bar)
► Welcome Pack (Keyless Advanced, handle recess illumination)
► Design seat incl. Comfort package
► Pilot Park S (Park Assist incl. Reversing camera)
► USB-C sockets

ID.3 1ST Line 3 or "Max" for less than 50,000 euros
in addition to Line 2 is included
► 20-inch alloy wheels
► Panoramic glass roof
► Infotainment incl. Augmented reality head-up display
► Comfort seat incl. Comfort package
► sound system
► Convenience telephony incl. LTE
► Pilot Drive S (Lane Change, Lane Keeping, Emergency and Traffic Jam Assist)
► Flat loading floor
► heat pump

Mike9832

Those are pre grant prices?

Rusky rusky

Mike9832 wrote: »

Those are pre grant prices?

I presume so:)

Mike9832

Lumen wrote: »

There's loads for sale in the UK. Is there really no VRT on them as an import? That's what the VRT calculator tells me.

Yes

They look class

184bhp,1300kg, range extender

Think VRT is on rex version

samih

So the 1st edition "Standard" is missing many useful things like keyless entry and heatpump which are pretty much standard fitment on other BEVs. Sounds a bit scabby and points out to "VW can charge for extras". Wonder if it also has halogen headlamps and incandecent rear bulbs?