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Dayor Knight wrote: »No, I'm very interested, but have noticed that after a lot of enthusiasm pre arrival, I hadn't seen any great love for the car being reported after purchase. Just wondering how people really feel about it. Not whether there's anything wrong with it, but do you love it, are you happy with it.
Very relevant for a prospective buyer.
I guess that's always the way with the hype train for new products, you only hear about the good before release and the flaws start to show afterwards. It's not like anyone from VW was saying "hold on everyone, it's just a car, let's not get carried away here"
To provide as best an answer as I can, my mum bought an ID.3 1st Plus and she's enjoying it so far. About her only complaint is that it sits idle in her driveway most of the time because of lockdown. The fact that she wants to go drive it is about as good a review as you can get
As for whether people love the car, a lot of that is really up to your own expectations. If you get into any car expecting a dream machine that will make rainbows and unicorns appear every time you open the door, then you might be disappointed
Actually if that ever did happen, you would be well advised not to go driving at that particular moment
However, when a car turns out to be more than you expected, and makes you want to drive around just for the fun of it, then that's probably a car you're going to enjoy owning"The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost
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Question - have the software updates change anything related to regen and creep?
A) hate creep - the user should have an option to turn it off (Tesla Model 3, Hyundai have this)
love full regen and one pedal driving - the user should have an option to adjust this (tesla model 3, Hyundai have this) 0 -
A) hate creep - the user should have an option to turn it off (Tesla Model 3, Hyundai have this)
Before the updates it had the "Auto hold" feature which you can turn on/off. So once you stop, it holds until you hit the accelerator again. love full regen and one pedal driving - the user should have an option to adjust this (tesla model 3, Hyundai have this)
I dont believe that has changed. They should make it an option but their implementation is better than full regen anyway, in my opinion. It adjusts regen dynamically based on upcoming bends, radar sensing vehicles in front and the speed you are doing..... one pedal driving is a balls of a job as it just "slams on the brakes" when you take your foot off. I prefer it to coast when I take my foot off and if there is a car/bend ahead it adjusts regen dynamically to suit. It generally gets it right, but not always.
I prefer the way VW have done it, but each to their own there.0 -
Hmm, that's not the same at all. That's still creep, but better than nothing. Creep is an archaic stuff. Automatic petrol car likeKCross wrote:Before the updates it had the "Auto hold" feature which you can turn on/off. So once you stop, it holds until you hit the accelerator again.
Right, I see.KCross wrote:I dont believe that has changed. They should make it an option but their implementation is better than full regen anyway, in my opinion. It adjusts regen dynamically based on upcoming bends, radar sensing vehicles in front and the speed you are doing..... one pedal driving is a balls of a job as it just "slams on the brakes" when you take your foot off. I prefer it to coast when I take my foot off and if there is a car/bend ahead it adjusts regen dynamically to suit. It generally gets it right, but not always.
I don't want only dynamic radar stuff but full control of regen with one pedal.
I know it's a personal preference but to be honest with ya, Tesla and BMW know what they're doing. Why would you use two pedals if you can use only one, let the machine do the work. Two pedal driving is archaic. The whole point of EV is one pedal driving. Even Nissan understood this.
I suspect VW tried to emulate ICE to attract ICE drivers. Too conservative for me.
Too weak regen and options thereof were mentioned in ID3 reviews.
These two things put me off really. I was hoping they'd add an option for regen behaviour with the updates...0 -
Hmm, that's not the same at all. That's still creep, but better than nothing. Creep is an archaic stuff. Automatic petrol car like
Right, I see.
I don't want only dynamic radar stuff but full control of regen with one pedal.
I know it's a personal preference but to be honest with ya, Tesla and BMW know what they're doing. Why would you use two pedals if you can use only one, let the machine do the work. Two pedal driving is archaic. The whole point of EV is one pedal driving. Even Nissan understood this.
I suspect VW tried to emulate ICE to attract ICE drivers. Too conservative for me.
Too weak regen and options thereof were mentioned in ID3 reviews.
These two things put me off really. I was hoping they'd add an option for regen behaviour with the updates...
Chris from battery life said that VW is not going to change the regen and the current level regen in brake mode is here to stay.0 -
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Hmm, that's not the same at all. That's still creep, but better than nothing. Creep is an archaic stuff. Automatic petrol car like
Right, I see.
I don't want only dynamic radar stuff but full control of regen with one pedal.
I know it's a personal preference but to be honest with ya, Tesla and BMW know what they're doing. Why would you use two pedals if you can use only one, let the machine do the work. Two pedal driving is archaic. The whole point of EV is one pedal driving. Even Nissan understood this.
I suspect VW tried to emulate ICE to attract ICE drivers. Too conservative for me.
Too weak regen and options thereof were mentioned in ID3 reviews.
These two things put me off really. I was hoping they'd add an option for regen behaviour with the updates...
There is B Mode which gives a stronger regen, similar to about the second level of regen in our Ioniq 28.
VW apparently don't want any stronger level, the car being rear wheel drive and the possibility of losing traction on slippery roads. Do other RWD cars offer stronger regen than "B"? I don't know.
FWIW I also love the way the ID.3 free wheels unless a bend, speedlimit other car etc necessitates you to slow up. It is so smooth. And stronger regen is always available on the brake pedal if you wish..0 -
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Hmm, that's not the same at all. That's still creep, but better than nothing. Creep is an archaic stuff. Automatic petrol car like
Why is that still creep?
You come to a stop and it stays put until you want to move again... no creep there?
Right, I see.
I don't want only dynamic radar stuff but full control of regen with one pedal.
I know it's a personal preference but to be honest with ya, Tesla and BMW know what they're doing. Why would you use two pedals if you can use only one, let the machine do the work.
Its not just radar, it also senses corners on the road in advance.
Their implementation is still mainly one pedal. When you want to come to a complete stop you do have to press the brake for that last bit but other than that its one pedal.Two pedal driving is archaic.
Nah, 3 pedal driving is archaic!.... 2 or 1 pedal is a preference.
The car lurching when I take my foot off the pedal and having to constantly feather it is not my preference anyway so I'm glad it is the way it is!
Why? Again, its a preference. There isnt just one way to drive.The whole point of EV is one pedal driving.Too weak regen and options thereof were mentioned in ID3 reviews.
Most of the reviews do say that alright but none of them seem to understand the dynamic regen at all and never mention it.
You need to drive one. Then you'll understand.
I'm sure you'd still prefer the one-pedal since you are so adamant on it but its not really as bad as the reviews say.0 -
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My BMW i3 is hell of a RWD and it has a strong regen and one pedal driving, no issues with traction! You don't have to use the brake at all once you master it. The regen makes the car come to a complete stop.eagerv wrote:There is B Mode which gives a stronger regen, similar to about the second level of regen in our Ioniq 28. VW apparently don't want any stronger level, the car being rear wheel drive and the possibility of losing traction on slippery roads. Do other RWD cars offer stronger regen than "B"? I don't know.
Tesla Model 3 LR is RWD too, much more torque than the id3, again full regen and one pedal driving, if you set it up that way.
Oh do they really do D and B in the id3... Sigh. That's so Nissan Leafy. 0 -
Does the car move forward itself when you turn it on when you start from being parked and turned off? If it does then it's still a creep.KCross wrote:Why is that still creep? You come to a stop and it stays put until you want to move again... no creep there?
Ah OK, I'll have to test drive.KCross wrote:Its not just radar, it also senses corners on the road in advance. Their implementation is still mainly one pedal. When you want to come to a complete stop you do have to press the brake for that last bit but other than that its one pedal.
Different vision/outlookKCross wrote:Nah, 3 pedal driving is archaic!.... 2 or 1 pedal is a preference.
3 pedals - museum
2 pedals - archaic (automatic petrol)
1 pedal - EV
There's no lurching if you have control. And you need a good degree of control for one pedal driving. I admit though that feathering can be annoying, again if you don't have experience or control. However, once you master it you'll become one with the machine, completely different thing than 2 pedals, 2 pedal driving never creates that level of synergy and control.KCross wrote:The car lurching when I take my foot off the pedal and having to constantly feather it is not my preference anyway so I'm glad it is the way it is!0 -
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Does the car move forward itself when you turn it on when you start from being parked and turned off? If it does then it's still a creep.
It doesn'tAh OK, I'll have to test drive.
You definitely should, though I wouldn't agree that it's any sort of implementation of 1 pedal. I actually hate the way it slows as KCross has explained. I want to be in full control.
ACC slowing to speed limits it believes are correct is also a complete joke. Coming in the M1 by the port tunnel to whitehall it changes 3 times and brakes hard each drop, very dangerous. ACC is only useful for full on motorway driving. Note you can turn off the speed limit detection in the ACC which helps. It's still a poor implementation when compared to my old Ioniqs implementation.Different vision/outlook
3 pedals - museum
2 pedals - archaic (automatic petrol)
1 pedal - EV
There's no lurching if you have control. And you need a good degree of control for one pedal driving. I admit though that feathering can be annoying, again if you don't have experience or control. However, once you master it you'll become one with the machine, completely different thing than 2 pedals, 2 pedal driving never creates that level of synergy and control.
Haha one with the machine
One pedal driving has a steep learning curve. It's not safe during this learning curve. Once you get it, I agree it's great but I'd much rather self driving than half jobs like one pedal driving.
BTW someone was asking does anyone love the car. Well I really like it, it is great fun to drive, there are a couple of things the ioniq was better on but the VW is more enjoyable to be in daily. Would I say love it? Well no, not when I compare it to my old 645Ci, that was a car I loved, but I could work on that, fix it. I can't do that with the ID3, 1 because it's new and 2 there won't be much to do because it's electric.0 -
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