VW ID.3

unkel

+1

I purchased a 24V nominal battery pack through Alibaba last week for fixing up a broken folding eBike I got cheap (that just needed a new battery). The pack is 29.4V 6Ah and cost €25 including all taxes and delivery to my door.

That is less than €142 per kWh and these are complete packs with charging cable, discharge cable and built-in BMS :eek:

I couldn't believe how cheap it was, so I ordered a bunch more for use with my projects.

liamog

This is interesting https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/lueneburg_heide_unterelbe/Erste-Ultra-Schnellladestationen-an-der-A7,ladestation122.html

Car is charging with 409V at 15% battery. They must be using quite a high voltage battery pack. That bodes well for using the ID.3 on our current 50kW, they should be able to take the full 50kW from a low state of charge without hitting the max current limit of the Efacec chargers.

Old diesel

liamog wrote: »

This is interesting https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/lueneburg_heide_unterelbe/Erste-Ultra-Schnellladestationen-an-der-A7,ladestation122.html

Car is charging with 409V at 15% battery. They must be using quite a high voltage battery pack. That bodes well for using the ID.3 on our current 50kW, they should be able to take the full 50kW from a low state of charge without hitting the max current limit of the Efacec chargers.

Might mean it can maintain better speed up at higher SOC too right??????.

liamog

Old diesel wrote: »

Might mean it can maintain better speed up at higher SOC too right??????.

Doesn't really give any insight, however, based on the decision Audi made with the e-Tron, I'm hopeful that the VW engineers have implemented a good charging curve.

rx8

There's another 2 Showcase events on Thursday 20th November at 2pm and 6pm. It's not restricted to Pre-bookers so, I have 2 tickets for the 2pm event if anyone wants them. Send me an email address.

Thumper Long

Got an invite to the big reveal today, dont have a reservation but did sign up for the newsletter, given that they are extending the invites out to newsletter subscribers they mustn’t have gotten a lot of interest. Be interesting to know how many irish punters actually put money down on a 1st

Efitz2019

Thumper Long wrote: »

Got an invite to the big reveal today, dont have a reservation but did sign up for the newsletter, given that they are extending the invites out to newsletter subscribers they mustn’t have gotten a lot of interest. Be interesting to know how many irish punters actually put money down on a 1st

I had my deposit down from the first day reservation opened. Cancelled my order last week and bought a Hyundai Ioniq instead. I know 3 other people who have cancelled orders.

Efitz2019

Efitz2019 wrote: »

I had my deposit down from the first day reservation opened. Cancelled my order last week and bought a Hyundai Ioniq instead. I know 3 other people who have cancelled orders.

Cancelled id.3 for Ioniq, why ?

jonnythefox

Efitz2019 wrote: »

I had my deposit down from the first day reservation opened. Cancelled my order last week and bought a Hyundai Ioniq instead. I know 3 other people who have cancelled orders.

What’s the main reason for cancelling?
Cost ...specifications..... styling????

drunkmonkey

Still have deposit down but I'm really thinking the 1st edition is way over priced. Long range battery, power boost and beats audio would do me as an upgrade to the entry model standard car.
Will we have pricing on the standard models before the point of no return on purchasing the 1st edition.

Efitz2019

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Cancelled id.3 for Ioniq, why ?

I know it will be a great car and maybe in a few years I'll pick one up.

For a mid spec one it will be 40k after grants and the dealer said it might be September next year before we see deliveries here.
So I picked up a 191 Ioniq last week for 26k got 5k for my trade in and added 21k cash. The range of the Ioniq will cover 95% of my driving.

jonnythefox

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Still have deposit down but I'm really thinking the 1st edition is way over priced. Long range battery, power boost and beats audio would do me as an upgrade to the entry model standard car.
Will we have pricing on the standard models before the point of no return on purchasing the 1st edition.

I still have deposit down also. Seems to me we are getting screwed on the 1st edition price.

Efitz2019

jonnythefox wrote: »

I still have deposit down also. Seems to me we are getting screwed on the 1st edition price.

This was also a concern of mine. If you pay close to 40k or more for one. Once the cheap version is available to order would people be willing to pay the extra for the first edition.

Efitz2019

Efitz2019 wrote: »

I know it will be a great car and maybe in a few years I'll pick one up.

For a mid spec one it will be 40k after grants and the dealer said it might be September next year before we see deliveries here.
So I picked up a 191 Ioniq last week for 26k got 5k for my trade in and added 21k cash. The range of the Ioniq will cover 95% of my driving.

Fair enough, can't argue with that, best of luck with the Ioniq, good car.

drunkmonkey

Yea "but it's a special edition" will wash with the car salesman come trade in time.
I don't think it'll be worth more than a standard long range which could mean crazy depreciation in the space of 6mts.

jonnythefox

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Yea "but it's a special edition" will wash with the car salesman come trade in time.
I don't think it'll be worth more than a standard long range which could mean crazy depreciation in the space of 6mts.

Exactly my fear. Especially if you opt for PCP.
In 3 years time if you want to trade up you may end up in negative equity with the 1st edition.

jonnythefox

jonnythefox wrote: »

Exactly my fear. Especially if you opt for PCP.
In 3 years time if you want to trade up you may end up in negative equity with the 1st edition.

That's the point with PCP, if the value drops more than the GFMV you get to hop into another car and let the finance company take the hit, worst cast is that you don't have a deposit going forward but you should not get PCP based on having any deposit at the end.

Worse case is being on HP or having a bank loan, then you have to take the brunt of depreciation, on PCP you don't.

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

Worse case is being on HP or having a bank loan, then you have to take the brunt of depreciation, on PCP you don't.

Haha, yes you do

Do you think PCP magics away the depreciation? It's just called a few different names. In most cases you pay the full depreciation and then some. And you're hooked up to go for finance again at the end of it. Who ever invented it is the best con man of all time

Thumper Long

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Yea "but it's a special edition" will wash with the car salesman come trade in time.
I don't think it'll be worth more than a standard long range which could mean crazy depreciation in the space of 6mts.

That’s the biggest fear, to do it right the 1st should be guaranteed to be a lower cost than the equivalent standard car once launched, that way you reward people who took a punt and enabled the manufacturer to get a new model off to a good start, 99.99% of people won’t care for the play and pause pedals anyway

kris_2021

40k id3 first should be worth more after 3 years then 40k kona or Nissan leaf....

unkel

unkel wrote: »

Haha, yes you do

Do you think PCP magics away the depreciation? It's just called a few different names.

On PCP you pay the calculated depreciation + interest for the 3 years, you get a GFMV, anything above that you can call a deposit, if it's value is well below that then the finance company, not you , take the sting.

If you are paying HP or bank loan you take the sting, worst cast on PCP is that you do not get anything above the GFMV.

PCP can be calculated in different ways, for instance, I think it was when Leaf II came along that the PCP GFMV was ridiculously low which would have guaranteed you a deposit because the GFMV was around 5,000 Euro's but it meant that the monthly payments were far higher than what I would have paid on the 24 Kwh so Nissan calculated PCP devaluation so low that they could not loose and in this case there was not much incentive to go with PCP.

You get nothing for nothing so if you have a decent deposit at the end it probably means you will have just paid for it anyway through clever calculation of the value of the car and higher monthly payments.

Irishjg

kris_2021 wrote: »

40k id3 first should be worth more after 3 years then 40k kona or Nissan leaf....

Well that’s just complete and utter BS ... where did you come up with that nugget of information. Stupid talk

kris_2021

Irishjg wrote: »

Well that’s just complete and utter BS ... where did you come up with that nugget of information. Stupid talk

That is simple logic my friend

Efitz2019

kris_2021 wrote: »

40k id3 first should be worth more after 3 years then 40k kona or Nissan leaf....

Expect close to 50% depreciation after 3 years anything less is a bonus

Irishjg

kris_2021 wrote: »

That is simple logic my friend

Why ... just because it has a VW badge ? The 40K ID won’t have anything more than either of those cars. No heat pump and DC ROC max 50kWh. It will have RWD if you think that will push the resale value over other 40k BEVs but there’s absolutely no way anyone can predict that until the time comes.

Irishjg

Efitz2019 wrote: »

Expect close to 50% depreciation after 3 years anything less is a bonus

Just like most ice cars ...

Gumbo

Efitz2019 wrote: »

Expect close to 50% depreciation after 3 years anything less is a bonus

+1
It’s what you should budget for any mainstream car out there.

kris_2021

Irishjg wrote: »

Why ... just because it has a VW badge ? The 40K ID won’t have anything more than either of those cars. No heat pump and DC ROC max 50kWh. It will have RWD if you think that will push the resale value over other 40k BEVs but there’s absolutely no way anyone can predict that until the time comes.

Yep because it is vw but also it will be the only proper ev from these 3 cars.

Efitz2019

Irishjg wrote: »

Just like most ice cars ...

Yeah exactly. Especially in 3 years time when there should be more choice and availability of evs

McGiver

Deleted User wrote:

Worse case is being on HP or having a bank loan, then you have to take the brunt of depreciation, on PCP you don't.

Only if you keep doing PCP practically forever. You'll get the depreciation once you stop. Not sure how many people can afford burning money continuously for a long time like this.