VW ID.3

Mike3287

eagerv wrote: »

A few more pics of what the 1st will perhaps look like..


https://www.noticiasautomotivas.com.br/volkswagen-id-3-parte-de-e-39-995-na-alemanha-em-edicao-de-lancamento/

Looks class, will look nice on the move with those alloys

eagerv

A few more, showing the base model (Can tell from the lights) with a different wheel. The moonstone looks well IMO.


https://electromobilitate.com/volkswagen-id3-1st-curba-de-incarcare/

eagerv

eagerv wrote: »

A few more pics of what the 1st will perhaps look like..


https://www.noticiasautomotivas.com.br/volkswagen-id-3-parte-de-e-39-995-na-alemanha-em-edicao-de-lancamento/

Just to add to my own post, the German configurator shows the same pics and a few more in better quality. See gallery.


https://www.volkswagen.de/de/modelle-und-konfigurator/id3-1st.html?---=%7B%22configure-navigation-manager%22%3A%22%2F%3Fcontext%3D%252Fde%252Fmodelle-und-konfigurator%252Fid3-1st.html%26category%3Dprivate%26carlineId%3D30270%26exteriorId%3DF14%2B2YA1%26options%3DGYCRYCR%26interiorId%3DF56%2B%2B%2B%2B%2BXX%26modelId%3DE113MJ%2524MLKAEV3%2524MAAUE8S%2524GW1FW1F%2524MBOW1S3%2524MESI7W2%26modelVersion%3D2%26modelYear%3D2021%26salesGroupId%3D31210%26trimName%3D1st%26buildabilityStatus%3Dbuildable%22%7D#MOFA

drunkmonkey

A couple of people are arguing about the 0-100km time on Facebook, one guy reckons the 2 second upgrade brings the time down from 7.3 to 5.3 seconds as he drove it. Nice if it's true.
There was some German interview I watched in the last week and the VW rep was excited about the 2 second upgrade, so maybe there's something to it.

Mike3287

drunkmonkey wrote: »

A couple of people are arguing about the 0-100km time on Facebook, one guy reckons the 2 second upgrade brings the time down from 7.3 to 5.3 seconds as he drove it. Nice if it's true.
There was some German interview I watched in the last week and the VW rep was excited about the 2 second upgrade, so maybe there's something to it.

Be nice, but I doubt it

At over 1700kg it would need alot more than 200bhp and 310nm to hit 5.3

Model 3 SR+ which weights 100kg less, after latest update is putting out over 275bhp and 400nm+ and it can only do 5.3s with battery over 80-90%

ID3 1st won't be as fast as that car

Hope it is though, i'm buying if it's a 5.3 car for €34,000, will drop plans for buying a 2nd house

drunkmonkey

Get the beach house first, you'd want to move quick there getting snapped up like hot cakes.

Mike3287

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Get the beach house first, you'd want to move quick there getting snapped up like hot cakes.

Don't like sand

Mike3287

Mike3287

ID3 1ST - load curve

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Felectromobilitate.com%2Fvolkswagen-id3-1st-curba-de-incarcare%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2n03zoKzSp2l3eMbyoE6ICc-0fVDmEh8X23JpCu6NaFQewHJjt0sEP6tI

drunkmonkey

If the electric motor can be unlocked via software it's possible. It could be a very smart move to have the 200bhp upgrade and an even quicker one for more money, is it about 2k for the software unlock to boost a Teslas performance. Giving it free to 1st owners would be a good way to road test it.

unkel

Charging curve is not great, but I guess better than most other new EVs (in that price range or cheaper). Wonder how the one compares for the base model without the optional 100kW DC charging. And of course how much they charge for this extra. If more than say four-five hundred quid, I probably wouldn't go for one. My guess is it will be more than that.

Irishjg

unkel wrote: »

Charging curve is not great, but I guess better than most other new EVs (in that price range or cheaper). Wonder how the one compares for the base model without the optional 100kW DC charging. And of course how much they charge for this extra. If more than say four-five hundred quid, I probably wouldn't go for one. My guess is it will be more than that.

Yes I agree on the charging rate, especially between the 50-73% range. It looks very conservative. I’d imagine VW in time could have a look at that and tweak the rates with a software upgrade. Interestingly at higher SOC it looks like the ROC is quite good.

eagerv

Will suit me quite well, cannot see myself needing to charge over 74% on rapids.

Will be interesting to see Bjorns' 1000 km challenge, any guesses unkel?:)

Lumen

eagerv wrote: »

Will be interesting to see Bjorns' 1000 km challenge, any guesses

I think under 11 hours ought to be easily achievable with approx 5 x 25min stops @ 80kW.

timsey tiger

Mike3287 wrote: »

Be nice, but I doubt it

At over 1700kg it would need alot more than 200bhp and 310nm to hit 5.3

Model 3 SR+ which weights 100kg less, after latest update is putting out over 275bhp and 400nm+ and it can only do 5.3s with battery over 80-90%

ID3 1st won't be as fast as that car

Hope it is though, i'm buying if it's a 5.3 car for €34,000, will drop plans for buying a 2nd house

The 2 sec. improvement is to 7.3 sec for 0km to 100km.

unkel

eagerv wrote: »

Will be interesting to see Bjorns' 1000 km challenge, any guesses unkel?:)

Lumen wrote: »

I think under 11 hours ought to be easily achievable with approx 5 x 25min stops @ 80kW.

+1

Yeah I guess we will finally see a reasonably priced EV beat the old 2016 Ioniq with its tiny 28kWh battery in a 1000km race

eagerv

unkel wrote: »

+1

Yeah I guess we will finally see a reasonably priced EV beat the old 2016 Ioniq with its tiny 28kWh battery in a 1000km race

It may not.



The ID.3 drag coefficient is good but not as good as the Ioniq, I doubt we will see many 10kWh/100km from the VW.

Irishjg

eagerv wrote: »

It may not.



The ID.3 drag coefficient is good but not as good as the Ioniq, I doubt we will see many 10kWh/100km from the VW.

I meant to ask this question ages ago. What is the official drag coefficient of the ID3 or has it been announced yet ?

Mike3287

Lumen wrote: »

I think under 11 hours ought to be easily achievable with approx 5 x 25min stops @ 80kW.

Id say 11.5-12 more realistic

Its 9 hours driving time or so

Will be very close with Kona and eNiro

Irishjg

Mike3287 wrote: »

Id say 11.5-12 more realistic

Its 9 hours driving time or so

Will be very close with Kona and eNiro

Bjorn’s 1000km Kona challenge was 11.5 hours in winter time between 5 to 0 Celsius. He estimated Summer would have been just under 11 hours.

eagerv

Irishjg wrote: »

I meant to ask this question ages ago. What is the official drag coefficient of the ID3 or has it been announced yet ?

.267 according to VW

Irishjg

eagerv wrote: »

.267 according to VW

Jeez that’s not too shabby at all. Many thanks Eagerv.

eagerv

Irishjg wrote: »

Jeez that’s not too shabby at all. Many thanks Eagerv.

Yea it seems pretty good for a vehicle taller than a Niro and only slightly lower than a Kona Electric.

Silent Running

Irishjg wrote: »

Jeez that’s not too shabby at all. Many thanks Eagerv.

It's not all about drag though. An efficient drive train makes a huge difference, which is why a 64kWh e-Niro comes within 15kms range of a long range, 75kWh Tesla Model 3 on the motorway. The two cars are €20,000 apart in the showroom though.

It remains to be seen if VW have produced a drive train as efficient as the Koreans. If they have, the car will be fantastic to own and run.

Cyrus

Mike3287 wrote: »

It does seem fair

ID3 in plus and max versions will have the same faith, buyers should be aware of that.

€41,000 and €48,000 versions will see massive depreciation, the 1st edition priced at €34,000 will see to that.

Battery prices are going to drop massively too in a year or 2, cobalt free lfp batteries below €80 per kWh at pack level will be on the market soon

VW bought into a company that specialises in those batteries recently, good specs too

200w/kg at pack leve, 3c charging ( 58kWh battery charging at 174kW), very long cycle life, 50% cheaper than current cells at pack level

I would not be suprised to see the 77kWh ID3 come in at the same price as 58kWh ID3 plus and max edition in a years time, battery tech seems to be moving very quickly now, didn't think it would happen for years myself, great news

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-guoxuan-volkswagen-m-a-electric/volkswagen-becomes-biggest-shareholder-of-chinas-ev-battery-maker-guoxuan-idUSKBN2342S7

Battery prices will drop but against that the 10k grant won’t be around forever the more affordable cars that come online the less need for the grant.

Chances of the savings on battery costs finding its way to anyone’s pocket is low

Mike3287

Cyrus wrote: »

Battery prices will drop but against that the 10k grant won’t be around forever the more affordable cars that come online the less need for the grant.

Chances of the savings on battery costs finding its way to anyone’s pocket is low

That's true

Those grants have to go, EV's need to stand on own feet from next year imo when those 60kWh €5000 packs start to arrive

Have looked at good few BOM from automakers recently and even VW have admitted that putting together an EV powertrain is cheaper than assembling a much more complex ICE powertrain when you get to mass production, it's only the batteries and mass production that stop them being at parity right now.

Mike3287

Silent Running wrote: »

It's not all about drag though. An efficient drive train makes a huge difference, which is why a 64kWh e-Niro comes within 15kms range of a long range, 75kWh Tesla Model 3 on the motorway. The two cars are €20,000 apart in the showroom though.

It remains to be seen if VW have produced a drive train as efficient as the Koreans. If they have, the car will be fantastic to own and run.

e-Niro doesn't come 15km within range of Model 3 LR @ 120km/h

Bjorn tested e-Niro at 206Wh/km vs Model 3 LR at 187Wh/km at those speeds

310km eNiro @ 120km/h

385km Model 3 LR @ 120km/h

Silent Running

Mike3287 wrote: »

e-Niro doesn't come 15km within range of Model 3 LR @ 120km/h

Bjorn tested e-Niro at 206Wh/km vs Model 3 LR at 187Wh/km at those speeds

310km eNiro @ 120km/h

385km Model 3 LR @ 120km/h

Have you watched this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=ZH7V2tU3iFc&feature=emb_logo

All compared at the same time, in the same weather conditions and on the same roads. Real world, not hypothetical.

Silent Running

Silent Running wrote: »

It's not all about drag though. An efficient drive train makes a huge difference, which is why a 64kWh e-Niro comes within 15kms range of a long range, 75kWh Tesla Model 3 on the motorway. The two cars are €20,000 apart in the showroom though.

It remains to be seen if VW have produced a drive train as efficient as the Koreans. If they have, the car will be fantastic to own and run.

Who cares ? it will be much more fun to drive, RWD makes a huge difference. That alone will make it much better to drive and that is worth some loss in efficiency alone.

eagerv

I think any of us who will hopefully be getting the ID.3 are taking a little bit of a gamble, we don't yet know the real world efficiency.
I think it will be hard to beat the superb overall efficiency of the Koreans.


The e-Niro is a car I have had an interest in for some time, I would argue that it is a nicer place to be, with better range, than the ID.3 Plus which would be its' competitor price wise. Also from my recent dealings I feel that perhaps better deals will be available on the e-Niro than was previously possible.