Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread XI (The Finals Countdown)

thomond2006

Leinster Rugby – New Senior Contracts:

1. Vakh Abdaladze, 11 Leinster Caps (LC), 1 Leinster Tries (T)*
2. Ryan Baird, 7 LC, 3 T
3. Michael Bent, 4 Ireland Caps (IC), 135 LC, 4 T
4. Adam Byrne, 1 IC, 57 LC, 20 T
5. Ed Byrne, 52 LC, 7 T
6. Harry Byrne, 9 LC, 2 T
7. Ross Byrne, 6 IC, 84 LC, 5 T
8. Will Connors, 15 LC, 2 T
9. Seán Cronin, 72 IC, 181 LC, 41 T
10. Peter Dooley, 76 LC, 2 T
11. Caelan Doris, 2 IC, 29 LC, 4 T
12. Jack Dunne, 7 LC, 0 T
13. Scott Fardy, 39 Australia Caps (AC), 58 LC, 10 T
14. Jordan Larmour, 24 IC, 46 LC, 12 T
15. Dan Leavy, 11 IC, 63 LC, 14 T
16. James Lowe, 43 LC, 28 T
17. Ross Molony, 95 LC, 3 T
18. Josh Murphy, 32 LC, 2 T
19. Tommy O’Brien, 3 LC, 1 T
20. Rory O’Loughlin, 1 IC, 67 LC, 21 T
21. Rowan Osborne, 4 LC, 1 T
22. Andrew Porter, 26 IC, 62 LC, 9 T
23. Rhys Ruddock, 26 IC, 172 LC, 10 T
24. James Ryan, 26 IC, 37 LC, 2 T**
25. Dan Sheehan, 0 LC, 0 T
26. Devin Toner, 70 IC, 244 LC, 4 T
27. James Tracy, 6 IC, 108 LC, 8 T
28. Josh van der Flier, 26 IC, 80 LC, 9 T

Academy Players Promoted to Senior Squad:

1. Ryan Baird
2. Harry Byrne
3. Jack Dunne
4. Tommy O’Brien
5. Dan Sheehan

Leinster Rugby – Departees:

1. Jack Aungier, 5 LC, 0 T
2. Bryan Byrne, 47 LC, 12 T
3. Barry Daly, 36 LC, 19 T
4. Oisín Dowling, 6 LC, 0 T
5. Gavin Mullin, 2 LC, 0 T
6. Roman Salanoa, 3 LC, 0 T
7. Joe Tomane, 17 AC, 21 LC, 3

https://www.leinsterrugby.ie/leinster-rugby-confirm-contracts-202021/?FixGuid=

AdamD

Bridge93 wrote: »

Baird, Harry Byrne, Jack Dunne, Tommy O Brien and Dan Sheehan given senior contracts I'm hearing?

Departures: Aungier, Bryan Byrne, Barry Daly, Oisin Dowling, Gavin Mullen, Salanoa, Tomane

Who is Dan Sheehan?

salmocab

Fardy retained delighted with that.

thomond2006

None of those departures hurt too much. Losing two young THs at the same time was a pill to swallow but they ultimately had eight appearances between them so Leinster weren't tearing up trees to keep them happy. Shame about Barry Daly's injuries. Bryan Byrne was already surplus to requirements having gone to Bristol. Dowling was bypassed by Baird. I don't know much about Mullen. Tomane was at best a solid squad player.

No new contract for Rob Kearney so he's off after October.

scott1974

AdamD wrote: »

Who is Dan Sheehan?

He's a Hooker and a big unit too.

arsebiscuits1

Disappointed about Barry Daly. Really rated him. Poor kid just could not string a run of fitness together.

Exceptionally strong finisher though and was our champions cup starter when he peaked. If he was to go to one of the other provinces they'd have announced it by now surely so not sure where his future lies. Maybe he will give 7s another go?

Real showing of confidence to promote Sheehan with no senior appearances. Clearly the coaches rating him as much as everyone else. Might look to wind down Cronin over the next season or 2 (even if he does offer a huge amount still)

There's going to be people absolutely over the moon about Tomane leaving. Some with negative prejudices that they wont admit to and I wont get into. But some who just didn't rate him which I think is unfair as he was a really valuable asset for us last season especially and had a combined carrying, passing and offloading game that was extremely difficult to defend against. I'd love to see the number off successful launch plays he was responsible for. We used him off first phase in the lineout in the opposition half countless times and to great effect. Disappointing he wont get a send off.

I remember when he announced he was signing for Leinster on Instagam and over 100 people wished him well in the comments and he liked and thanked every single one individually. Small but classy gesture

arsebiscuits1

thomond2006 wrote: »

None of those departures hurt too much. Losing two young THs at the same time was a pill to swallow but they ultimately had eight appearances between them so Leinster weren't tearing up trees to keep them happy. Shame about Barry Daly's injuries. Bryan Byrne was already surplus to requirements having gone to Bristol. Dowling was bypassed by Baird. I don't know much about Mullen. Tomane was at best a solid squad player.

No new contract for Rob Kearney so he's off after October.

Dowling jumped by Dunne and Baird in quick succession. His writing was on the wall at the start of the season yeah.

Mullin was absolutely excellent in the A games and formed a formidable partnership with Tommy but centre is absolutely stacked with players of a good age profile and Tommy covers the wing effectively too. Probably a straight shoot out between them.

I think Mullin just doesn't have the characteristics to really set him apart at the highest level. He's quite physical, he's quite a good passer and he isn't slow. But I don't think he has enough of them all sadly. Hopefully he gets a chance to prove himself elsewhere. Absolutely horrible time to be looking for opportunities though

Scottmactom

LH Prop(3)
Cian Healy(32) - central contract until 2021
Ed Byrne(26) - signed contract in 2020
Peter Dooley(26) - signed contract in 2020

TH Prop(4)
Michael Bent(34) - signed contract in 2020
Tadhg Furlong(27) - central contract until 2021
Andrew Porter(24) - signed contract in 2020
Vakh Abdaladze(24) - signed contract in 2020

Hooker(4)
Sean Cronin(34) - signed contract in 2020
James Tracy(29) - signed contract in 2020
Ronan Kelleher(22) - signed contract in 2019
Dan Sheehan(21) - signed contract in 2020

Lock(6)
Scott Fardy(36) - signed contract in 2020
Devin Toner(34) - signed contract in 2020
Ross Molony(26) - signed contract in 2020
James Ryan(24)- signed central contract in 2020
Jack Dunne(21) - signed contract in 2020
Ryan Baird(21) - signed contract in 2020

Backrow(9)
Rhys Ruddock(29) - signed contract in 2020
Jack Conan(28) - signed contract in 2019
Josh Van Der Flier(27) - signed contract in 2020
Dan Leavy(26) - signed contract in 2020
Josh Murphy(25) - signed contract in 2020
Will Connors(24) - signed contract in 2020
Max Deegan(23) - signed contract in 2019
Caelan Doris(24) - signed contract in 2020
Scott Penny(20) - signed contract in 2019

Scrumhalf(4)
Jamie Gibson Park(28) - signed contract in 2019
Luke McGrath(27) - signed contract in 2019
Rowan Osborne(23) - signed contract in 2020
Hugh O'Sullivan(22) - signed contract in 2019

Outhalf(4)
Jonathan Sexton(35) - central contract until 2021
Ross Byrne(25) - signed contract in 2020
Ciaran Frawley(22) - signed contract in 2019
Harry Byrne(21) - signed contract in 2020

Centre(6)
Robbie Henshaw(27) - central contact until 2022
Rory O'Loughlin(26) - signed contract in 2020
Garry Ringrose(25) - signed contract in 2018
Conor O'Brien(24) - signed contract in 2019
Jimmy O'Brien(23) - signed contract in 2019
Tommy O'Brien(22) - signed contract in 2020

Back Three(7)
Rob Kearney(34) - leaving at end of 19/20 season.
Fergus McFadden(34) - leaving at end of 19/20 season.
Dave Kearney(31) - signed contract in 2019
James Lowe(28) - signed contract in 2020
Adam Byrne(26) - signed contract in 2020
Cian Kelleher(26) - signed contract in 2019
Hugo Keenan(24) - signed contract in 2019
Jordan Larmour(23) - signed contract in 2020

arsebiscuits1

That's Dev off his central contract isn't it? Didn't he have one or am I going insane?

Scottmactom

So waiting on Ringrose and IRFU to come to terms on a central deal?

Scottmactom

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

That's Dev off his central contract isn't it? Didn't he have one or am I going insane?

off his central, with Ryan moving on.

Clegg

Scottmactom wrote: »

So waiting on Ringrose and IRFU to come to terms on a central deal?

According to Kinsella an agreement has already been reached.

https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1276105010447867906?s=19

Scottmactom

Leinster senior player movement over the last three seasons

Apparently Barry Daly is going to the US, nothing to do with Rugby

Exclamation Marc

Delighted that Fardy got a new contract and the Lowe nonsense is put to bed. Nothing too major in our departures so the few we've lost, we can stomach. As said though, such a shame for Barry Daly to go, seemed like a great chap and very talented (top try scorer in Pro14 in 17/18), his injuries were cruel. Overall though, couldn't be happier.

Our back row is outrageously stacked this year.

Not that was a concern for leaving, but am looking forward to Toner becoming Leinsters most capped player, only 13 caps left. Hopefully there will be some crowd there when he reaches it.

arsebiscuits1

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

Delighted that Fardy got a new contract and the Lowe nonsense is put to bed. Nothing too major in our departures so the few we've lost, we can stomach. As said though, such a shame for Barry Daly to go, seemed like a great chap and very talented (top try scorer in Pro14 in 17/18), his injuries were cruel. Overall though, couldn't be happier.

Our back row is outrageously stacked this year.

Not that was a concern for leaving, but am looking forward to Toner becoming Leinsters most capped player, only 13 caps left. Hopefully there will be some crowd there when he reaches it.

Given the quality of our younger second rows, it is unlikely to happen, but I'd love to see Dev get to 300. He's 34 so it's not outside the realm of possibility that he has another 3 seasons in him. Would he appear in 15-20 games in the next 3 years? Stranger things have happened! He's got a tremendous injury record (touch fecking wood)

Shefwedfan

Great to see Fardy getting a new contract, is it a 1 year?

Scottmactom

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Great to see Fardy getting a new contract, is it a 1 year?

not announced but assumed.

Scottmactom

Leo very complimentary of Dan Sheehan in video interview on leinster website.

salmocab

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Great to see Fardy getting a new contract, is it a 1 year?

It would seem so, he is 36 and in a position Leinster have some excellent young lads coming up. You’d have to think this will be it for him in Leinster.

thomond2006

thomond2006 wrote: »

Leinster Rugby – New Senior Contracts:

1. Vakh Abdaladze, 11 Leinster Caps (LC), 1 Leinster Tries (T)*
2. Ryan Baird, 7 LC, 3 T
3. Michael Bent, 4 Ireland Caps (IC), 135 LC, 4 T
4. Adam Byrne, 1 IC, 57 LC, 20 T
5. Ed Byrne, 52 LC, 7 T
6. Harry Byrne, 9 LC, 2 T
7. Ross Byrne, 6 IC, 84 LC, 5 T
8. Will Connors, 15 LC, 2 T
9. Seán Cronin, 72 IC, 181 LC, 41 T
10. Peter Dooley, 76 LC, 2 T
11. Caelan Doris, 2 IC, 29 LC, 4 T
12. Jack Dunne, 7 LC, 0 T
13. Scott Fardy, 39 Australia Caps (AC), 58 LC, 10 T
14. Jordan Larmour, 24 IC, 46 LC, 12 T
15. Dan Leavy, 11 IC, 63 LC, 14 T
16. James Lowe, 43 LC, 28 T
17. Ross Molony, 95 LC, 3 T
18. Josh Murphy, 32 LC, 2 T
19. Tommy O’Brien, 3 LC, 1 T
20. Rory O’Loughlin, 1 IC, 67 LC, 21 T
21. Rowan Osborne, 4 LC, 1 T
22. Andrew Porter, 26 IC, 62 LC, 9 T
23. Rhys Ruddock, 26 IC, 172 LC, 10 T
24. James Ryan, 26 IC, 37 LC, 2 T**

thomond2006

[Deleted User] wrote: »

WhY aRe LeInStEr BlOcKiNg YoUnG tAlEnT?

Richie_Rich89

That is shocking. Cut probably your most dangerous homegrown winger (he's the only one coming anywhere near Lowe in terms of tries per game average) and two promising young players in Dowling and Mullin without ever giving them a proper shot.

If Daly's injury is something he has/could have recovered from then that's an awful call.

I suppose it's difficult to find the funds when you're spending in the region of half a million on an unnecessary NIQ. You'd wonder what Leinster fans would be saying if it was Munster signing up a 36-year old non-first choice NIQ instead of backing a player of Baird's quality to break into the first XXIII.

Very disappointing. Doesn't sit right with me at all.

Scottmactom

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

That is shocking. Cut probably your most dangerous homegrown winger (he's the only one coming anywhere near Lowe in terms of tries per game average) and two promising young players in Dowling and Mullin without ever giving them a proper shot.

If Daly's injury is something he has/could have recovered from then that's an awful call.

I suppose it's difficult to find the funds when your spending in the region of half a million on an unnecessary NIQ. You'd wonder what Leinster fans would be saying if it was Munster signing up a 36-year old non-first choice NIQ instead of backing a player of Baird's quality to break into the first XXIII.

Very disappointing. Doesn't sit right with me at all.

:pac:

Daly had a contract offer but has decided to call it a day to pursue other opportunities.

Former Former

Nice bit of business in keeping Fardy on, otherwise all as expected.

I'll be sorry to see Barry Daly go, you can understand why he'd be looking at his options but I was always a fan.

So that's Kearney, McFadden, Tomane and Daly gone or going from our back three options. Gonna need a big season from the young guys.

Scottmactom

Interested to see if TOB focuses on wing more this upcoming season.

Scottmactom

LH Prop(4)
Cian Healy(32/Belvedere/Clontarf) - central contract until 2021
Ed Byrne(26/Clongowes/UCD) - signed contract in 2020
Peter Dooley(26/Birr RFC/Lansdowne) - signed contract in 2020

Michael Milne(21/Birr RFC-Roscrea/UCD) - Academy Yr 3

TH Prop(5)
Michael Bent(34) - signed contract in 2020
Tadhg Furlong(27/New Ross RFC/Clontarf) - central contract until 2021
Andrew Porter(24/St. Andrews/UCD) - signed contract in 2020
Vakh Abdaladze(24/Coolmine RFC/Clontarf) - signed contract in 2020

Tom Clarkson(20/Blackrock/DUFC) - Academy Yr 2

Hooker(4)
Sean Cronin(34) - signed contract in 2020
James Tracy(29/Newbridge/UCD) - signed contract in 2020
Ronan Kelleher(22/St. Michaels/Lansdowne) - signed contract in 2019
Dan Sheehan(21/Clongowes/Lansdowne) - signed contract in 2020

Lock(8)
Scott Fardy(36) - signed 1 yr contract in 2020
Devin Toner(34Castleknock/Lansdowne) - signed 1 yr contract in 2020
Ross Molony(26/St. Michaels/UCD) - signed contract in 2020
James Ryan(24/St. Michaels/UCD)- signed 3 yr central contract in 2020
Jack Dunne(21/St. Michaels/DUFC) - signed contract in 2020
Ryan Baird(21/St. Michaels/DUFC) - signed contract in 2020

Charlie Ryan(21/Blackrock/UCD) - Academy Yr 2
Brian Deeny(20/Wexford RFC/Clontarf) - Academy Yr 2

Backrow(10)
Rhys Ruddock(29/Exile/St. Marys) - signed contract in 2020
Jack Conan(28/St. Gerards/Old Belvedere) - signed contract in 2019
Josh Van Der Flier(27/Wesley/UCD) - signed 2 yr contract in 2020
Dan Leavy(26/St. Michaels/UCD) - signed contract in 2020
Josh Murphy(25/St. Michaels/UCD) - signed contract in 2020
Will Connors(24/Clongowes/UCD) - signed contract in 2020
Max Deegan(23/St. Michaels/:ansdowne) - signed contract in 2019
Caelan Doris(24/Blackrock/DUFC) - signed contract in 2020
Scott Penny(20/St. Michaels/UCD) - signed contract in 2019

Martin Moloney(20/Athy RFC/Old Belvedere) - Academy Yr 2
Sean O'Brien(20/Blackrock/UCD) - Academy Yr 1
Alex Soroka(19/Belvedere/Clontarf) - Academy Yr 1

Scrumhalf(5)
Jamie Gibson Park(28) - signed contract in 2019
Luke McGrath(27/St. Michaels/UCD) - signed contract in 2019
Rowan Osborne(23/Clongowes/DUFC) - signed contract in 2020
Hugh O'Sullivan(22/Belvedere/Clontarf) - signed contract in 2019

Paddy Patterson(22/Blackrock/UCD) - Academy Yr 3
Cormac Foley(20/St. Gerards/St. Marys) - Academy Yr 1

Outhalf(5)
Jonathan Sexton(35/St. Marys/St. Marys) - central contract until 2021
Ross Byrne(25/St. Michaels/UCD) - signed contract in 2020
Ciaran Frawley(22/Skerries RFC/UCD) - signed contract in 2019
Harry Byrne(21/St. Michaels/Lansdowne) - signed contract in 2020

David Hawkshaw(21/Belvedere) - Academy Yr 3

Centre(7)
Robbie Henshaw(27) - central contact until 2022
Rory O'Loughlin(26/St. Michaels/UCD) - signed contract in 2020
Garry Ringrose(25/Blackrock/UCD) - signed 2 yr central contract in 2020
Conor O'Brien(24/Mullingar RFC/Clontarf) - signed contract in 2019
Jimmy O'Brien(23/Newbridge/UCD) - signed contract in 2019
Tommy O'Brien(22/Blackrock/UCD) - signed contract in 2020

Liam Turner(21/Blackrock/DUFC) - Academy Yr 2

Back Three(9)
Dave Kearney(31/Clongowes/Lansdowne) - signed contract in 2019
James Lowe(28) - signed contract in 2020
Adam Byrne(26/Naas RFC/UCD) - signed contract in 2020
Cian Kelleher(26/St. Michaels/Lansdowne) - signed contract in 2019
Hugo Keenan(24/Blackrock/UCD) - signed contract in 2019
Jordan Larmour(23/St. Andrews/St. Marys) - signed contract in 2020

Michael Silvester(22/Clongowes/DUFC) - Academy Yr 3
Aaron O'Sullivan(20/Exile/Blackrock) - Academy Yr 3
Andrew Smith(20/St. Michaels/Clontarf) - Academy Yr 1

Note - academy not announced officially yet.

irishbucsfan

I think our back 3 options are the most “understated” they’ve been in a long time. Maybe not the right word, but I think they are a lot better than their exposure to date would lead someone with little knowledge about the team would believe

arsebiscuits1

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

POINTLESS RAMBLINGS PEOPLE DON'T NEED TO READ

Dang. I had predicted almost everything in your inevitable post. Nearly got a bingo

Burkie1203

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

That is shocking. Cut probably your most dangerous homegrown winger (he's the only one coming anywhere near Lowe in terms of tries per game average) and two promising young players in Dowling and Mullin without ever giving them a proper shot.

If Daly's injury is something he has/could have recovered from then that's an awful call.

I suppose it's difficult to find the funds when you're spending in the region of half a million on an unnecessary NIQ. You'd wonder what Leinster fans would be saying if it was Munster signing up a 36-year old non-first choice NIQ instead of backing a player of Baird's quality to break into the first XXIII.

Very disappointing. Doesn't sit right with me at all.

Fardy has only missed games when his child was born. I can't recall him being out injured at all

There is ( potentially) 10 internationals between 2020 6n, Autumn Internationals and the 2021 6n. There is also the tail end of last season to finish and an entire new season. Leinster will need every player they can get because there will be no signings by the looks of it and a long list leaving ahead of what will be a 10 month season with very few breaks in there.

Daly has decided to pursue other non rugby opportunities in America by all accounts. Although why he wants to go to that cesspit is beyond me.