Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread XI (The Finals Countdown)

scott1974

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/EwanMacKenna/status/1134919474124136450?s=19

Please dont quote that guy..

digzy

He’s an ex player now anyway.....
He’s old enough to have sense

Burkie1203

scott1974 wrote: »

Please dont quote that guy..

Why not?

mr_edge_to_you

The player in question should contact PR guru Paul Allen. According to Maria Bailey he's really good when you're in a sticky spot.

Downlinz

The player in question is leaving the country so they might as well make an example of him.

Beechwoodspark

Big story in sindo tomorr possibly others

scott1974

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Why not?

Really, have you ever read any if his articles, he's a parasite. A bit of common sense would tell you that.

mr_edge_to_you

digzy wrote: »

He’s an ex player now anyway.....
He’s old enough to have sense

If it's the player they're alleging, he may still be under contract until October. Considering the way the sponsors reacted when the pressure came on following the antics up on Ulster, he may find his contract terminated early. Can't have the brands damaged!

Lots of denials here on the basis that McKenna mentioned it.

Watergate is real.

kmart6

mr_edge_to_you wrote: »

Considering the way the sponsors reacted when the pressure came on following the antics up on Ulster, he may find his contract terminated early. Can't have the brands damaged!

Huge difference between the seriousness of the accusations.

Sheep Shagger

mr_edge_to_you wrote: »

If it's the player they're alleging, he may still be under contract until October. Considering the way the sponsors reacted when the pressure came on following the antics up on Ulster, he may find his contract terminated early. Can't have the brands damaged!

While early contract termination is always possible, you can't really compare that case to this one.

mr_edge_to_you

There's an article on Independent.ie. At the end of the article it says:

"Read Brendan Fanning’s analysis in the Sunday Independent".

Could be an interesting read!

Paul Smeenus

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

While early contract termination is always possible, you can't really compare that case to this one.

Weren't they ostensibly fired over their WhatsApp messages?

mr_edge_to_you

kmart6 wrote: »

Huge difference between the seriousness of the accusations.

Fully accept that and agree there's no comparison but professional rugby in Ireland is bank rolled by big marketing budgets. Companies are paranoid about their corporate image these days.

digzy

[quote="mr_edge_to_you;110336613

"Read Brendan Fanning’s analysis in the Sunday Independent".

Could be an interesting read![/quote]

‘Analysis ‘ .....what analysis? He whipped it out and pi55ed on yer mans leg.

Clegg

Leinster and the IRFU are investigating two incidents. One is the urination thing and another is a fight between a Leinster Academy player and a former Leinster player that left the academy lads unconscious and brought to St Vincent's Hospital for a brain scan.

Clegg

Clegg wrote: »

Leinster and the IRFU are investigating two incidents. One is the urination thing and another is a fight between a Leinster Academy player and a former Leinster player that left the academy lads unconscious and brought to St Vincent's Hospital for a brain scan.

Same guy involved in both or what?

Larbre34

glasso wrote: »

Same guy involved in both or what?

No cannot be. Second incident alleges a former overseas player, no longer employed by the province, punched and knocked out a player of the Leinster Academy such that he was treated at the scene by a Leinster Doctor and then hospitalised where he underwent a brain scan. Alleged perp subsequently attended the '09 Gala and has since returned home.

Not too many people that could have been. Allegedly.

Burkie1203

scott1974 wrote: »

Really, have you ever read any if his articles, he's a parasite. A bit of common sense would tell you that.

I will post what I want unless a mod asks me not to based in forum charter.

Just because McKenna tweeted it doesnt make it false so jog on

Burkie1203

Erik Shun wrote: »

https://amp.independent.ie/sport/rugby/pro14/leinster-rugby-double-probe-academy-player-hospitalised-and-member-of-public-urinated-on-following-pro14-win-38171141.html

I'm only posting this here...I'm not too bothered about the peeing incident..we all know who that is... but Christ... for a former player to hit an academy player so hard he needs a brain scan....I find that very hard to stomach

You don't know the circumstances.

Buer

Larbre34 wrote:

No cannot be. Second incident alleges a former overseas player, no longer employed by the province, punched and knocked out a player of the Leinster Academy such that he was treated at the scene by a Leinster Doctor and then hospitalised where he underwent a brain scan. Alleged perp subsequently attended the '09 Gala and has since returned home.

No, it says a former player who lives overseas. It doesn't say it was a former overseas player. Significantly different and there are a couple of lads who left Ireland after retirement.

With that said, at least one of the NIQ players was in attendance. This incident is being overshadowed by the urination story and is far, far more serious. Those involved should be heavily sanctioned.

Burkie1203

Erik Shun wrote: »

Ex player hits academy player so hard he's knocked unconscious and needs to be hospitalised requiring a brain scan... that's about all that matters

Aside from the players health


It matters if said Academy player was going around picking a fight.

sydthebeat

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Aside from the players health


It matters if said Academy player was going around picking a fight.

Agreed.

Without knowing the circumstances, castigating the older player over the younger player is all too presumptuous

scott1974

Burkie1203 wrote: »

I will post what I want unless a mod asks me not to based in forum charter.

Just because McKenna tweeted it doesnt make it false so jog on

I never said it was false, if you read what I said. He's just looking for attention, he doesn't report on rugby for the good of the game.

Burkie1203

Erik Shun wrote: »

Have you any evidence for that?

And, tbh...it wouldn't actually matter... a grown adult doesn't need to knock someone out to resolve an argument...unless you live in a different world to the rest of us

Does the word IF not mean anything to you?

The circumstances matter if an academy player was the one who instigated a fight.

What if he got sparked by someone acting in self defence?

Young lad, few drinks on him, thinks he is invincible and picks a fight with someone and ends up on the deck. Temple bar every other weekend usually.

We don't know the circumstances. This is an incident that Leinster might need to use to educate the academy players going forward regarding alcohol etc.

salmocab

Erik Shun wrote: »

Have you any evidence for that?

And, tbh...it wouldn't actually matter... a grown adult doesn't need to knock someone out to resolve an argument...unless you live in a different world to the rest of us

Have you any evidence that a grown adult knocked someone out to resolve an argument?

Burkie1203

Erik Shun wrote: »

Absolute rubbish post, only in your own mind is that acceptable..jog on

I never said it was acceptable. Hence there may well be learnings for the Leinster academy to guide young men fresh out of school

You seem to think person A sparked person B to resolve an argument based on absolutely no facts.

What we do know is that there was "an altercation" which literally means anthing is possible and what I posted is one scenario that may have occurred.

We also do not know if the punch caused the academy player to be knocked out or if he hit his head on the ground.

salmocab

Erik Shun wrote: »

I'm not the one trying to build an argument on an unsound premise.
It's actually quite disgusting that people are trying to blame the academy player...my original post is that the incident sickened me....the replies to that post just show the disgusting mentality of some posters in here...
That's all I'm saying on the subject now

You have decided what’s happened based on reading the same article everyone else did, you have conjured up that it was a grown adult sorting out an argument. You have no details but felt confident saying that. It may be the ex players fault it may be the young lads fault it’s probably both of them but certainly should never have happened.

sydthebeat

Erik Shun wrote: »

I'm not the one trying to build an argument on an unsound premise.
It's actually quite disgusting that people are trying to blame the academy player...my original post is that the incident sickened me....the replies to that post just show the disgusting mentality of some posters in here...
That's all I'm saying on the subject now

Actually youre 100% incorrect there.

No one was apportioning any blame but you. Posters were telling you that it's wrong to apportion blame without knowing the facts. Absolutely no one blamed the academy player.... But you are quite happy to blame the former player without knowing what happened.

It could quite easily have been a 110 kg academy lock picking a fight with aged 75kg scrummie....

Academy players aren't children, they are adults.

Burkie1203

Erik Shun wrote: »

I'm not the one trying to build an argument on an unsound premise.
It's actually quite disgusting that people are trying to blame the academy player...my original post is that the incident sickened me....the replies to that post just show the disgusting mentality of some posters in here...
That's all I'm saying on the subject now

I never said the academy play was at fault. We don't know the circumstances.

you have blamed the former player without knowing anything about it yet you criticise me for pointing out that there could be other details which paint things in a different light.

The incident sickens you despite not knowing anything about it.