Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread XI (The Finals Countdown)

Kevski

Seems charity work = 50% reduction in ban. Give me strength.

https://twitter.com/patmccarry/status/1303457754594578433?s=21

The Lost Sheep

Kevski wrote: »

Seems charity work = 50% reduction in ban. Give me strength.

https://twitter.com/patmccarry/status/1303457754594578433?s=21

Its more his previous record which is fairly spotless. Just one previous ban i think and it was treated as a high end offence which starts at 10 weeks.

awec

Got to love the citing process. A charity. Amazing.

Clegg

It's incredible he doesn't have a previous record when you consider all the no arms tackles he's put in down the years.

molloyjh

Kevski wrote: »

Seems charity work = 50% reduction in ban. Give me strength.

https://twitter.com/patmccarry/status/1303457754594578433?s=21

To be fair, thats an extract that doesn't show the full picture. Farrell obviously pled guilty and was remorseful. He showed that at the time as well as at the hearing. And his overall disciplinary record is good, even though in reality we all knew this was coming. In terms of how they can and do adjudicate there were factors for leniency there. We all knew that before the hearing.

Dog Botherer

i’ll take it. given rugby’s citing bodies reluctance to heavily punish high profile players 5 weeks is twice as much as i was expecting. Farrell will have to be much more careful in future now too.

thomond2006

Farrell has got a previous ban for a dangerous tackle. There's no way he should have gotten the maximum mitigation.

Exclamation Marc

I wonder if the sentence would have been the same had it overlapped with any Six Nations or other key England games...

Unlikely.

AdamD

5 weeks is still pretty big for a tackle though?

molloyjh

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

I wonder if the sentence would have been the same had it overlapped with any Six Nations or other key England games...

Unlikely.

As i said in the GP thread, 5 matches punishes him but leaves him fully available to England. 1 extra week and he misses the Barbarians game (and his only remaining chance for match fitness ahead of the Italy game). 2 extra weeks sees him miss the Italy game entirely. It may be tin foil hat stuff, but a full reduction despite having previous doesnt really make sense.

molloyjh

AdamD wrote: »

5 weeks is still pretty big for a tackle though?

The decision was 10 weeks given the severity of it. The full 50% reduction despite a previous ban for a dangerous challenge doesnt make much sense on the surface.

The Lost Sheep

AdamD wrote: »

5 weeks is still pretty big for a tackle though?

Not at all. Dangerous tackle can go up to 50 weeks....

Squidgy Black

Testimonies from the two coaches that would benefit most from him being shown leniency, were taken into account as part of the judgement.

Just about sums up the citing process.

ionadnapokot

Leinster should have put Saracens away by HT last year.
Doris and Kelleher are significant additions this year. JGP off the bench also hopefully

Saracens without Farrell is the ultimate game changer.
And no Kruis!
Williams also gone.

If Mako doesn't start I think Leinster will be in a position to win this around the 60 min mark.
To be able to bring Furlong off the bench would be massive.

Larbre34

I think calling it a tackle is giving it far too much credibility in the first place.

But anyway, it is what it is, I'd rather have seen us beat their first choice team, but I'll take it, busy period ahead to the Final and all that.

Clegg

Three Leinster players in the Pro 14 Team of the Season. Doris also won Young Player of the Season.

15. Blair Kinghorn (Edinburgh)
14. Monty Ioane (Benetton)
13. Rey Lee-Lo (Cardiff Blues)
12. Stuart McCloskey (Ulster)
11. Duhan van der Merwe (Edinburgh)
10. Jaco van der Walt (Edinburgh)
9. John Cooney (Ulster)
1. Pierre Schoeman (Edinburgh)
2. Joseph Dweba (Cheetahs)
3. Leon Brown (Dragons)
4. Scott Fardy (Leinster)
5. Grant Gilchrist (Edinburgh)
6. Max Deegan (Leinster)
7. Will Connors (Leinster)
8. Bill Mata (Edinburgh)

Burkie1203

Welsh rugby Twitter up in arms because Sexton likely to be rested this week.

Maybe if their teams weren't shipping 40 or 50 to Leinster 2nd string things would be different

AdamD

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Welsh rugby Twitter up in arms because Sexton likely to be rested this week.

Maybe if their teams weren't shipping 40 or 50 to Leinster 2nd string things would be different

Yeah I always laugh at this. Welsh team is offended that Leinster sent their seconds over to Wales. How do we fix the league guys?

The league will fix itself if Leinster's second string can no longer hammer the Welsh teams. Put 30 on Leinster next year and see if they continue to send the kids.

molloyjh

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Welsh rugby Twitter up in arms because Sexton likely to be rested this week.

Maybe if their teams weren't shipping 40 or 50 to Leinster 2nd string things would be different

What does it matter to them. Sure only 1 of their teams came within even an asses roar of a SF spot. Surely they have bigger things to be worrying about!? Bizarre.

thomond2006

I advise muting or blocking people who incessantly moan about the same topic. You'll be much better off for it.

Clegg

The Welsh never bought into the Celtic league/Pro 12 in same way the other nations did. There have been mutterings for years about getting their regions to join the Aviva Premiership. Which is funny because I'm pretty sure the English don't want them.

awec

In fairness, it's a fairly dire reflection on the Pro14 and how it is viewed that a team is happy to rest their best player in the final of the competition.

I get why Leinster are doing it but it's just another symptom of how half arsed the competition is.

Interested Observer

thomond2006 wrote: »

I advise muting or blocking people who incessantly moan about the same topic. You'll be much better off for it.

Good advice.

awec wrote: »

In fairness, it's a fairly dire reflection on the Pro14 and how it is viewed that a team is happy to rest their best player in the final of the competition.

I get why Leinster are doing it but it's just another symptom of how half arsed the competition is.

Done.

Burkie1203

awec wrote: »

In fairness, it's a fairly dire reflection on the Pro14 and how it is viewed that a team is happy to rest their best player in the final of the competition.

John Cooney being dropped this week. Apparently.

molloyjh

awec wrote: »

In fairness, it's a fairly dire reflection on the Pro14 and how it is viewed that a team is happy to rest their best player in the final of the competition.

I get why Leinster are doing it but it's just another symptom of how half arsed the competition is.

I think a lot of it is very disparaging of Byrne tbh. The guy has steered is to victories in league and HEC KO games before, including against Ulster last year. He's more than capable. Its not like they're sticking Harry Byrne out there. Ross deserves this shot. He's been such a huge part of big Leinster days in the last couple of years.

awec

molloyjh wrote: »

I think a lot of it is very disparaging of Byrne tbh. The guy has steered is to victories in league and HEC KO games before, including against Ulster last year. He's more than capable. Its not like they're sticking Harry Byrne out there. Ross deserves this shot. He's been such a huge part of big Leinster days in the last couple of years.

I can see the rugby reasoning for it.

But Leinster are resting their captain and best player in what is supposed to be the biggest game of the league calendar, so that he can play in the quarter final of another competition.

It's really not a good look for the Pro14.

molloyjh

awec wrote: »

I can see the rugby reasoning for it.

But Leinster are resting their captain and best player in what is supposed to be the biggest game of the league calendar, so that he can play in the quarter final of another competition.

It's really not a good look for the Pro14.

I'm not talking about the rugby reasoning. I'm talking about Byrne being good enough to deserve the call up regardless of Sexton. What should be a thing to applaud Leinster on, ie giving guys the opportunities in the biggest of games, is being used as something to knock them over. I would totally understand it if Byrne hadn't already delivered at every other level on number of occasions. But saying that Leinster are diminishing the competition by playing a guy who has started winning KO games for them numerous times is just strange.

Like, how many other 10s in the league have a record like Byrnes? How many have won SFs in the league let alone QFs and SFs in the HEC? Either hes good enough or he's not. If he is then there should be no issue. And I think he he has shown he is. He is one of the best 10s in the league. Him starting the final is not a bad reflection on the league at all. And I think its a bit of a skewed way of looking at it to suggest that it is.

Podge_irl

molloyjh wrote: »

I'm not talking about the rugby reasoning. I'm talking about Byrne being good enough to deserve the call up regardless of Sexton. What should be a thing to applaud Leinster on, ie giving guys the opportunities in the biggest of games, is being used as something to knock them over. I would totally understand it if Byrne hadn't already delivered at every other level on number of occasions. But saying that Leinster are diminishing the competition by playing a guy who has started winning KO games for them numerous times is just strange.

Like, how many other 10s in the league have a record like Byrnes? How many have won SFs in the league let alone QFs and SFs in the HEC? Either hes good enough or he's not. If he is then there should be no issue. And I think he he has shown he is. He is one of the best 10s in the league. Him starting the final is not a bad reflection on the league at all. And I think its a bit of a skewed way of looking at it to suggest that it is.

Yeah, but awec's point, and it is not unreasonable, is that there is no way this would happen in the QF against Sarries.

awec

Podge_irl wrote: »

Yeah, but awec's point, and it is not unreasonable, is that there is no way this would happen in the QF against Sarries.

And it's not the fact that it's Sarries either.

If Leinster were playing Ulster this weekend in a HEC QF then Sexton would be playing.

thomond2006

Is it understandable by Leinster? Yes.

Is it a bad look for the league? I suppose it is.