Co-living..Shared kitchen for 42 ?

lawred2

Caranica wrote: »

These don't have kitchenettes in the rooms. The original plan had a two ring hob but they were removed after pre planning meetings with the council

f**k that then

The_Conductor

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I don’t get it.

If people are happy to live like that leave them too it.

It’s another solution.

People are being pushed into accepting it as a solution- because the alternates that most people would rather- quite simply are unavailable.

There is no inherent demand for this sort of living arrangement- there is for 1-2 bed apartments- however in the absence of 1-2 bed apartments- people who have no alternate options- will evaluate what other arrangements are available to them.

I wouldn't see any issue with this sort arrangement at a university or somewhere with lots of young people who aren't going to cook and don't have any issue with sharing even with large groups like this (at the right price)- however, this is being priced as some sort of superior accommodation- and a few services tossed into the mix to justify the eye watering prices they are suggesting.

I don't see how or why people should put up with this- other than as a short term solution- while they find accommodation that actually suits their needs.

We need to build large numbers of apartments, of reasonable size, properly serviced and close to pertinent amenities and facilities- ideally in high density developments- and ideally in fairly central Dublin locations.

We need to get off our high horses- and get over our lack of enthusiasm for highrise- or eventually- most of the country will turn into an urban sprawl of one type or another.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

1,300 for 16.25 square meters per month? That's absolutely wrong. Then to share a kitchen with at least 41 other people? And the living room? WTF is that about?

An absolute joke of a building with a joke of a price tag and absolutely zero vision. Oh some fuker somewhere is getting rich out of this, big time.

"If people are happy to live like that, then let them" - absolute bollocks. People are desperate for a play to live and this is taking serious advantage of this. Scum.

ednwireland

I thought this co living thing was commonplace elsewhere. seems to be quite few In london

C3PO

ednwireland wrote: »

I thought this co living thing was commonplace elsewhere. seems to be quite few In london

That's my understanding too.
I really don't get all the outrage. I would much prefer to live in a co-living type arrangement than sharing an apartment with someone. My guess is that it will do well!

Graham

+1

What C3PO said.

Fiftyfilthy

I hope they build more for people on social welfare

Can have their foreva room then and all live in harmony ... or not

Graces7

C3PO wrote: »

That's my understanding too.
I really don't get all the outrage. I would much prefer to live in a co-living type arrangement than sharing an apartment with someone. My guess is that it will do well!

the outrage is the outrageous price. which really is.... outrageous.

Wabbit Ears

Graces7 wrote: »

the outrage is the outrageous price. which really is.... outrageous.

If the price is just for the room then yes, it is.

If it includes cleaners, maintenance, bins, electricity, water, internet, tv etc then its probably not as bad as it seems on the surface.

2ndcoming

C3PO wrote: »

That's my understanding too.
I really don't get all the outrage. I would much prefer to live in a co-living type arrangement than sharing an apartment with someone. My guess is that it will do well!

As others have pointed out the price is offensive.

But I'm just trying to follow the logic. You would rather live in a property where you have your own bedroom but all other mod cons are shared with 41 other people over a property where you have your own bedroom but all other mod cons are shared with one other person? For less money.

Prison is a cheaper way to achieve the former.

downtheroad

These could be a great option for those working in the likes of Facebook or Google where all meals are available at their office, so people might just want a bed for the night.

There's complaints that all that is being built in Dublin are 3 bed semi ds, but when somebody attempts to build something different along come more complainers.

Maybe if people stopped complaining things might get built and then we can see what happens.

Graham

2ndcoming wrote: »

I'm just trying to follow the logic.

Off the top of my head:

Own room
Own en-suite bathroom
No long-term commitments
Management on site
Maintenance on site
Good standard of fit/finish.
No other bills
Gym and/or social facilities on site
Restaurant/bar on site
Generally closer to (or in) town/city centres
No convincing 4 other people you'd be the be best housemate out of the 475 other applicants

djan

Speaking from personal experience, where I lived for a year in an extremely similar set up albeit 1 kitchen to only 38 rooms it is perfectly fine. Actually is a lot more enjoyable and dignified living than house/room sharing as you have your own substantial private space and en-suite. While I would appreciate the price to be a bit lower, the market dictates this and I hope that planning for this goes through and opens up space for more of these buildings to be built closer to Dublin city.

Graces7

Graces7 wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/dublin-co-living-apartment-building-would-see-42-share-a-kitchen-922939.html

A new idea?

They’re intended as short term lets. Each will have a kitchenette and bathroom. Not a bad idea for someone finding their feet.

2ndcoming

Graham wrote: »

Off the top of my head:

Own room
Own en-suite bathroom
No long-term commitments
Management on site
Maintenance on site
Good standard of fit/finish.
No other bills
Gym and/or social facilities on site
Restaurant/bar on site
Generally closer to (or in) town/city centres
No convincing 4 other people you'd be the be best housemate out of the 475 other applicants

Sharing an apartment can have all of those things already though. Literally the only difference is you don't have to share your kitchen with 40 other people

Gym / bar on site is a bit pointless anyway when you're paying €1300 a month for essentially a bedroom in a hostel, you will need all the money you have left.

C3PO

Graces7 wrote: »

the outrage is the outrageous price. which really is.... outrageous.

The price is dictated by the market - if it is too expensive then people will not rent them!

conorhal

C3PO wrote: »

That's my understanding too.
I really don't get all the outrage. I would much prefer to live in a co-living type arrangement than sharing an apartment with someone. My guess is that it will do well!

While that may be, I doubt it's an arrangement that's appealing to the vast majority of people.
The question becomes, will living like this be an option for people amenable to this kind or arrangement or a will it become a situation forced on people by circumstances who would ordinarily rather not live like?

It seems to me that this is nothing but a proposal to re-build the tenements that were the blight of the working poor in 18th and 19th century Dublin.

C3PO

conorhal wrote: »

While that may be, I doubt it's an arrangement that's appealing to the vast majority of people.
The question becomes, will living like this be an option for people amenable to this kind or arrangement or a will it become a situation forced on people by circumstances who would ordinarily rather not live like?

It seems to me that this is nothing but a proposal to re-build the tenements that were the blight of the working poor in 18th and 19th century Dublin.

Oh for God sake!!!
These units are clearly aimed at young, probably single, employed, reasonably well to do tenants who are looking for short to medium term accommodation!

Here's an example:
https://www.thecollective.com/co-living?gclid=Cj0KCQjwn8_mBRCLARIsAKxi0GKrIPOWJ1p0x4pV0YZd0Bgf8MeIXUvYtNydctRdZXf5PCxA24VXgiMaAjPfEALw_wcB

Graham

2ndcoming wrote: »

Sharing an apartment can have all of those things already though. Literally the only difference is you don't have to share your kitchen with 40 other people

Any apartment that has all those things is likely to be significantly more than €1300pps.

2ndcoming wrote: »

Gym / bar on site is a bit pointless anyway when you're paying €1300 a month for essentially a bedroom in a hostel, you will need all the money you have left.

I suspect you're making some particularly whopping assumptions about the income level of the target market here.

conorhal

C3PO wrote: »

Oh for God sake!!!
These units are clearly aimed at young, probably single, employed, reasonably well to do tenants who are looking for short to medium term accommodation!

Here's an example:
https://www.thecollective.com/co-living?gclid=Cj0KCQjwn8_mBRCLARIsAKxi0GKrIPOWJ1p0x4pV0YZd0Bgf8MeIXUvYtNydctRdZXf5PCxA24VXgiMaAjPfEALw_wcB

What they aim to be and what they'll look like in 20 years are two very different things.

tabby aspreme

conorhal wrote: »

While that may be, I doubt it's an arrangement that's appealing to the vast majority of people.
The question becomes, will living like this be an option for people amenable to this kind or arrangement or a will it become a situation forced on people by circumstances who would ordinarily rather not live like?

It seems to me that this is nothing but a proposal to re-build the tenements that were the blight of the working poor in 18th and 19th century Dublin.

Being a bit dramatic, tenements had whole families of maybe 8-10 living in a room, no running water and a shared bucket for a toilet out in the yard.

conorhal

conorhal wrote: »

While that may be, I doubt it's an arrangement that's appealing to the vast majority of people.
The question becomes, will living like this be an option for people amenable to this kind or arrangement or a will it become a situation forced on people by circumstances who would ordinarily rather not live like?

It seems to me that this is nothing but a proposal to re-build the tenements that were the blight of the working poor in 18th and 19th century Dublin.

We’d all love to live in a newly built passive 4 bed bungalow on an acre of ground, next to a bus route, close to schools, hospitals etc, but we cannot.

conorhal

Deleted User wrote: »

We’d all love to live in a newly built passive 4 bed bungalow on an acre of ground, next to a bus route, close to schools, hospitals etc, but we cannot.

So the ONLY option is 'direct provision living' for Irish workers?
This is a bad option to permit and it needs a rethink, there are certiantly better solutions to the housing crisis then this kind of lowest common denominator thinking.

C3PO

Deleted User wrote: »

We’d all love to live in a newly built passive 4 bed bungalow on an acre of ground, next to a bus route, close to schools, hospitals etc, but we cannot.

Wouldn't we all!!

Graham

conorhal wrote: »

So the ONLY option is 'direct provision living' for Irish workers?
This is a bad option to permit and it needs a rethink, there are certiantly better solutions to the housing crisis then this kind of lowest common denominator thinking.

I think you've made it clear it's not for you.

You'll be pleased to hear it's not mandatory and despite your deliberate choice of inflammatory phrases, similar developments appear to suggest there is demand.

Wabbit Ears

If I was 20 something again and working full time Id actually love this arrangement. its hugly social and commitment and hassle free in terms of bills and other stuff.

tabby aspreme

conorhal wrote: »

So the ONLY option is 'direct provision living' for Irish workers?
This is a bad option to permit and it needs a rethink, there are certiantly better solutions to the housing crisis then this kind of lowest common denominator thinking.

How is this development comparable with direct provision, this is aimed at single professional, employed people who want short term accommodation.

Qrt

The idea is fine...as an idea. Some people just need a temporary place for a while, while they find their feet. That's fine, and it would actually be a great option for many people, myself included.

What's not fine is the tiny rooms. They seem quite horrible! People say that the market knows best, and that people won't rent them out if they don't want to. But, that is simply a load of rubbish. We're in the midst of a housing crisis, and people do all sort of stuff they don't want to do during a crisis. Like f***ing hell, even google defines a crisis as "a time when a difficult or important decision must be made".

Bottom line; it's a grand idea, but the size and price are scandalous.

EDIT: They're proposing a very similar development of 200-odd beds in Tallaght, but nothing has been said about that at all.

2ndcoming

Graham wrote: »

Any apartment that has all those things is likely to be significantly more than €1300pps.


I suspect you're making some particularly whopping assumptions about the income level of the target market here.

What do you mean? You included 'own room'. That's a pretty fundamental requirement of any letting I would have thought. You would get an apartment share in Smithfield or similar that would cover the vast majority of your list for less than 1300pm.

This is student accommodation at best and overpriced student accommodation at that. If you were a high flying young tech graduate on enormous money why on earth would I want to live all the way out in kippy Dun Laoghaire anyway?

The target market is all wrong. Only young, single high earners could possibly be suited by this type of development but they have enough disposable income to just get their own flat or share a luxury one for a couple of grand a month. In town. Short term they could just stay in a hotel. The only way this becomes viable at the prices mentioned is if ordinary rents double the already astronomical rate they're at now.

the_syco

Lower Ground Floor
Ground Floor
1st Floor
2nd Floor
3rd Floor
4th Floor
5th Floor
Six floors (including a lower level ground floor). Seems the 5th floor only has 12 rooms, so I'm sure they'll be rented at a higher premium? Possibly a higher building will be built if this goes well.

Graces7 wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/dublin-co-living-apartment-building-would-see-42-share-a-kitchen-922939.html

A new idea?

IMO, it's an old idea. They're legal bedsits.

overkill602 wrote: »

I read they will be for 2months – 12 months stays and will not have to be registered with the RTB perhaps let on a licensee basis.

Well, they're only renting a room, so most likely licensees. So absolutely no rights. So I doubt HAP people will get in.

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

If the price is just for the room then yes, it is.

If it includes cleaners, maintenance, bins, electricity, water, internet, tv etc then its probably not as bad as it seems on the surface.

It's a hostel. Everyone eats together. They have no rights to stay. If anyone is deemed disruptive, they could be kicked out with ease.

Graham wrote: »

Own room

Yes. I hope there'll be concrete between each room. Better sound insulation.

Graham wrote: »

Own en-suite bathroom

From looking at the drawings, it's less of an ensuite, and more a shower in same room. Hello mould.

Graham wrote: »

No long-term commitments

But no rights.

Graham wrote: »

Management on site

I wonder until what time?

Graham wrote: »

Maintenance on site

Either a jack of all trades, or out-sourced.

Graham wrote: »

Good standard of fit/finish.

Usually, yes, but possibly furnished by Ikea.

Graham wrote: »

No other bills

Did they say this? Having everyone on the one fuse box is a recipe to trouble, but if each person has their own fuse box, then each person can be charged. Sadly, I find what is done elsewhere is not always done in Ireland.

Graham wrote: »

Gym and/or social facilities on site

This will be one of the main draws, imo. I see the gym will be in the lower ground floor area, in a separate area. This is great, as the impact noises shouldn't affect many people.

Graham wrote: »

Restaurant/bar on site

I can't see a bar being on site. It'll be cheaper if the food is cooked off site, and bought in to be served warm in the restaurants.

Graham wrote: »

Generally closer to (or in) town/city centres

I hope there's a LUAS stop nearby it.

Graham wrote: »

No convincing 4 other people you'd be the be best housemate out of the 475 other applicants

The 4 people will be management. They'll be the same 4 people who'll decide if you're being disruptive.

C3PO wrote: »

Oh for God sake!!!
These units are clearly aimed at young, probably single, employed, reasonably well to do tenants who are looking for short to medium term accommodation!

Here's an example:
https://www.thecollective.com/co-living?gclid=Cj0KCQjwn8_mBRCLARIsAKxi0GKrIPOWJ1p0x4pV0YZd0Bgf8MeIXUvYtNydctRdZXf5PCxA24VXgiMaAjPfEALw_wcB

Due to the current landscape, people will be looking at this more long term. Rents are about the same, but I do not know the geography of London; would that area be an expensive part of London, or not?

conorhal wrote: »

there are certiantly better solutions to the housing crisis then this kind of lowest common denominator thinking.

As long as we limit apartment blocks to only a few stories, that will be what you'll get. We need 60 story apartment blocks.

=-=

I welcome this building, and hope it does well.