Tesla Model 3 thread - V2.0

sln852

Forget that model year bit. 'K' doesn't equate to 2020. Model 3 in Finland with a 'K' 10th digit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bdZmRtL9yA

dingledosser

Mike9832 wrote: »

That 12k has way more range, much higher charge speed among other things

So does the €8k, which is where I'm headed. I think. It depends, I'm due a bonus from work, so if it comes in on time, and I get assurances that editing my order won't push the delivery date out, then I think I'll go LR AWD.

projectmayhem

dingledosser wrote: »

So does the €8k, which is where I'm headed. I think. It depends, I'm due a bonus from work, so if it comes in on time, and I get assurances that editing my order won't push the delivery date out, then I think I'll go LR AWD.

No one could guarantee that editing won't push delivery out. That said (and again, this could be wishful thinking on my part), getting a higher margin car should play in your favour.

jusmeig

dingledosser wrote: »

That's kinda where I am. I've ordered SR+, but debating with myself whether I can scramble together another €8k (I'm paying cash) for the practicality of longer range and AWD. Scrambling together €12k is out of the question though, especially just for more acceleration.

If I don't see a car before Nov, I'll probably try go for the LR AWD myself. I'll have had another 6 months to save the difference. I'm doing HP so every penny borrowed pushes the monthly...

hatrack

For what it’s worth, such was my annoyance at the text message received saying deliveries would start towards the end of the year I rang the UK number associated with the DeliveryIE@tesla.com email address (+44 1628 450 694 - please feel free to try them also). To my amazement someone picked up after a minute or two on hold. I asked what was going on with Irish deliveries. The guy I spoke to said he wasn’t sure but as far as he knew there was a boat arriving in mid September and Irish deliveries would be made from that.

He put me on hold to check but couldn’t get hold of the person looking after Irish deliveries. He undertook to call me back by close of business but never did (as you’d expect!).

Mike9832

dingledosser wrote: »

So does the €8k, which is where I'm headed. I think. It depends, I'm due a bonus from work, so if it comes in on time, and I get assurances that editing my order won't push the delivery date out, then I think I'll go LR AWD.

Right choice

Well worth it for €8k

catharsis

One of the posters above gave me an idea.

I didn't want to bu the Performance model because I had zero interest in track mode and couldn't abide the 20" wheels.

On the other hand, it's only a 4K difference, so if the standard wheels fit, I could do a swap and give nice 20" wheels to someone purchasing an SR+ who wants and values nicer wheels, and presumably save myself a sizable portion of the 4K difference between the LR AWD and the Performance.

So what do people think the price should be for an upgrade to 20" wheels on an SR+?
BTW was this actually ever offered by Tesla? (My recollection is that it was an option at one point)

ETA: Answered my own question - this is a $4000 option on the us site https://shop.tesla.com/us/en/product/vehicle-accessories/model-3-20_-sport-wheel-and-tire-package.html

unkel

catharsis wrote: »

One of the posters above gave me an idea.

Who was that?

Here's Nyland with the 18" on his performance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEk9xkz-XQE

catharsis

unkel wrote: »

Who was that?

Hmm... actually that link is bad news as it looks like some 18" wheels will fit on the M3P but that does not unfortunately include the standard 18" Aero wheels.

Seems like my great idea may not work out after all.

mouthful

unkel wrote: »

Nobody in their right mind would buy it though. It will have more depreciation than the Performance, a higher total cost of ownership even.

I knew I lost my mind- for me range is king and this option has the longest range.
The performance has no tow bar, and the low profile tyres seem more fragile.
Intending to keep the car for 10 years so resale is not a real concern.

bdogg

Interesting... hopefully something in it for us

https://www.xautoworld.com/tesla/faster-deliveries-eu-uk-philaport/

BBMcQ

Did anyone call to get a price on the DC Motors Model 3? It’s the exact model I would go for...

projectmayhem

bdogg wrote: »

Interesting... hopefully something in it for us

https://www.xautoworld.com/tesla/faster-deliveries-eu-uk-philaport/

Being a Model 3 pre-order holder has made me a shipping & maritime expert. This is really interesting stuff.

I imagine Elon & co. are dying to utilise their own trucks instead of diesel ones for the future.

ted1

bdogg wrote: »

Interesting... hopefully something in it for us

https://www.xautoworld.com/tesla/faster-deliveries-eu-uk-philaport/

I would have thought trains would be a better option than individual trucks bringing cars across the country

btkm8unsl0w5r4

BBMcQ wrote: »

Did anyone call to get a price on the DC Motors Model 3? It’s the exact model I would go for...

Think they are asking 6k over list....was bound to happen.

cnocbui

projectmayhem wrote: »

Being a Model 3 pre-order holder has made me a shipping & maritime expert. This is really interesting stuff.

I imagine Elon & co. are dying to utilise their own trucks instead of diesel ones for the future.

The Tesla semi project is on indefinite hold.

JPA

unkel wrote: »

Who was that?

Here's Nyland with the 18" on his performance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEk9xkz-XQE

Please call him Bjorn!

unkel

JPA wrote: »

Please call him Bjorn!

It's Bjørn not Bjorn

skippy123!

Seth Orange Springboard wrote: »

Think they are asking 6k over list....was bound to happen.

6k more then on Tesla web page?? That is nuts!

unkel

skippy123! wrote: »

6k more then on Tesla web page?? That is nuts!

That is shortage! Simple economics. Supply and demand. Demand is high and supply is low. Same reason some second hand Rolex watches cost twice as much as the exact same watch brand new from a Rolex Authorised Dealer.

skippy123!

unkel wrote: »

That is shortage! Simple economics. Supply and demand. Demand is high and supply is low. Same reason some second hand Rolex watches cost twice as much as the exact same watch brand new from a Rolex Authorised Dealer.

But I don't get this... So they are charging 6k just because they have a car already in the shop? Is it that of an emergency for people to buy that specific car?

unkel

Yes.

Some people are so keen to get it that they will pay a premium. Even happens to far more modest cars like Hyundai Ioniq electric, which in the US costs full RRP + USD3,000 from the main dealers.

EVGuy

skippy123! wrote: »

Hello guys,

It seems pretty confusing all this with tax on the car so can anyone please explain? I am looking into getting a PCP deal for a long range Tesla 3 with 20 000 euro deposit on a period of 5 years if possible? How much would I need to pay monthly and what would I need to pay regarding tax? Taking black car without no extras. Thanks in advance!

If you go to the design studio, design your car and on the last page, look at the very bottom and there is a finance calculator where you can enter the deposit amount and number of years and it shows the payment (and the SHOCKING amount of interest 4.9% APR comes to).

The road tax is 120, the VRT etc. is included in the price quoted, I think if you call them they can tell you how much the VAT is if you are looking to reclaim it.

xCiaránx

You can count me as another person who's gone for the LR AWD rather than the Performance for all the reasons listed earlier in the thread. Beyond a certain point I really don't need any more performance from these cars. Especially if stretching a few extra grand is gonna get me a worse ride quality/less range, etc. Selling the wheels and then trying find a set of 18" ones that will fit (which seems a hassle because of the brake calipers) is of zero interest to me.

It might be the exact right option for some people, and I'd even agree that it's a good price for what you get. But to suggest that stretching to the Performance is some kind of no-brainer is a little wide of the mark I think. If getting one of these cars in the first place is already a fierce stretch of the budget and you want the most range for the least money, LR AWD is the way to go. I think a lot of people are in that boat.

rg_lv

xCiaránx wrote: »

You can count me as another person who's gone for the LR AWD rather than the Performance for all the reasons listed earlier in the thread. Beyond a certain point I really don't need any more performance from these cars. Especially if stretching a few extra grand is gonna get me a worse ride quality/less range, etc. Selling the wheels and then trying find a set of 18" ones that will fit (which seems a hassle because of the brake calipers) is of zero interest to me.

It might be the exact right option for some people, and I'd even agree that it's a good price for what you get. But to suggest that stretching to the Performance is some kind of no-brainer is a little wide of the mark I think. If getting one of these cars in the first place is already a fierce stretch of the budget and you want the most range for the least money, LR AWD is the way to go. I think a lot of people are in that boat.

same here. Have had cars with big alloys, not worth the hassle

Gumbo

skippy123! wrote: »

6k more then on Tesla web page?? That is nuts!

skippy123! wrote: »

But I don't get this... So they are charging 6k just because they have a car already in the shop? Is it that of an emergency for people to buy that specific car?

I done the same years ago with iPhones before they were available here.
I used to buy 4 on launch day in Belfast.

Drive home and sell 3. Everyone of them sold for significantly more than I paid and I could of sold them 3 times over every year.

I don’t that every year for about 4 years.

Yes I’m a vulture.

jusmeig

kceire wrote: »

I done the same years ago with iPhones before they were available here.
I used to buy 4 on launch day in Belfast.

Drive home and sell 3. Everyone of them sold for significantly more than I paid and I could of sold them 3 times over every year.

I don’t that every year for about 4 years.

Yes I’m a vulture.

Delboy

Gumbo

jusmeig wrote: »

Delboy

That’s only the half of it!
Because I was in account with meteor I got the latest android phones as upgrades for €99. They came unlocked so I was selling my upgrade at the same time. J actually earned a months wages every time I done this

Teslablue

It looks like Lydden has been scheduled as the first roro to pick up for Europe from Philadelphia for Tesla, if this keeps going it will halve the time from built to delivery to Europe and increase the probability of Irish deliveries in October.

bdogg

anybody loose their edit button? Mine still showing.

bdogg

Teslablue wrote: »

It looks like Lydden has been scheduled as the first roro to pick up for Europe from Philadelphia for Tesla, if this keeps going it will halve the time from built to delivery to Europe and increase the probability of Irish deliveries in October.

Thank christ if true. This wait is the worst. I'm sick of looking at that bloody 'manage' Model 3 order page on tesla.com... the day I don't have to look at that website again will be a welcome one.

maclek

Teslablue wrote: »

It looks like Lydden has been scheduled as the first roro to pick up for Europe from Philadelphia for Tesla, if this keeps going it will halve the time from built to delivery to Europe and increase the probability of Irish deliveries in October.

Not sure where you heard that but the Lydden is currently north of SFO and heading further north. Nowhere near Philly. Maybe another ship? I honestly can't believe trucking 4000 odd cars by truck (10 at a time?) is more efficient than the Panama canal. Certainly faster though.

Interestingly if the Lydden does go to SFO and it heads to Europe it will be I believe the first tesla carrying new panamax size ship, it is quite the beast. I wonder how many more cars they can get on it. The sunlight is also much larger than the normal ships they use.

maclek

bdogg wrote: »

anybody loose their edit button? Mine still showing.

Mine is still gone. I assume they are just messing with me until I drive the car away. I've got a trip in late September so I assume they know that and are waiting to offer it to me the day after I leave.

bdogg

maclek wrote: »

Mine is still gone. I assume they are just messing with me until I drive the car away. I've got a trip in late September so I assume they know that and are waiting to offer it to me the day after I leave.

Haha - sod's law. Don't worry it will probably be Nov31st before any of us get anything.

hatrack

maclek wrote: »

Mine is still gone. I assume they are just messing with me until I drive the car away. I've got a trip in late September so I assume they know that and are waiting to offer it to me the day after I leave.

Did you get a VIN in the source code? What range is it in?

Mine’s still there anyway. 2017 reservation. Order number in the first 10.

carloscorreia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIwIcAJbOXg

Teslablue

maclek wrote: »

Not sure where you heard that but the Lydden is currently north of SFO and heading further north. Nowhere near Philly. Maybe another ship? I honestly can't believe trucking 4000 odd cars by truck (10 at a time?) is more efficient than the Panama canal. Certainly faster though.

Interestingly if the Lydden does go to SFO and it heads to Europe it will be I believe the first tesla carrying new panamax size ship, it is quite the beast. I wonder how many more cars they can get on it. The sunlight is also much larger than the normal ships they use.

Mis-read the port call on Lydden it is due in sf on the 4th of September at port80, at least it’s a big roro that can carry over seven thousand cars.

mouthful

So with the removal of the Tesla tax credit in the United States from January- who thinks they will drop the price of the car again to compensate?

EVGuy

Almost certainly if sales are dropping off, however, if they are selling loads into Europe, they may not need to.

Lumen

carloscorreia wrote: »

Rosberg video

Objectively terrible production but really cuts through the bull**** of putting 2 tonne road cars on track. Even if the brakes could cope, the tyres can't.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Lumen wrote: »

Objectively terrible production but really cuts through the bull**** of putting 2 tonne road cars on track. Even if the brakes could cope, the tyres can't.

Did I watch a different video...though he said it was good especially in track mode? What did I miss?

Lumen

Seth Orange Springboard wrote: »

Did I watch a different video...though he said it was good especially in track mode? What did I miss?

Tyres were cooked in under one lap and the brakes were suffering.

maclek

hatrack wrote: »

Did you get a VIN in the source code? What range is it in?

5YJ3F7EB5KF49XXXX

btkm8unsl0w5r4

eh no...he said they were overheating and less in trackmode. Did you see the way he was driving...its Nico Rosberg for gods sake...he was at 10/10th all the time. When he says they are overheating he means the grip is getting less, it happens to all cars. They are on PS4's. I know its no Ariel Atom but He said the car was well balanced and trackmode was a good addition.

Lumen

Seth Orange Springboard wrote: »

eh no...he said they were overheating and less in trackmode. Did you see the way he was driving...its Nico Rosberg for gods sake...he was at 10/10th all the time. When he says they are overheating he means the grip is getting less, it happens to all cars. They are on PS4's. I know its no Ariel Atom but He said the car was well balanced and trackmode was a good addition.

I think you're misunderstanding my criticism. I'm not saying the M3 is a bad car, but putting heavy road cars on track is stupid. Even if they're fun, they eat pads and tyres.

unkel

That's the way I read it too, fitzgeme

A track day will probably eat tyres twice as quick as a stripped out E36 M3, but hey that's par for the course

unkel

Lumen wrote: »

I think you're misunderstanding my criticism. I'm not saying the M3 is a bad car, but putting heavy road cars on track is stupid. Even if they're fun, they eat pads and tyres.

Isn't there an extra strong regen in track mode? I'd say race it and you'd be pleasantly surprised about the pads...

Lumen

unkel wrote: »

Isn't there an extra strong regen in track mode? I'd say race it and you'd be pleasantly surprised about the pads...

Regen braking is still only 0.3g in track mode against total braking deceleration of maybe 1g.

The problem is that the M3 is grippy, accelerative and heavy. This means that it has an incredible amount of energy to convert during braking.

Again, it's not a criticism of the car but the application.

A heavier etron or EQC would be even worse.

There's a UK blogger who did a track day at Castle Coombe and managed to get half an hour out of his M3P, but he didn't drive like Rosberg. :pac:

sln852

maclek wrote: »

5YJ3F7EB5KF49XXXX

That's interesting i've got 5YJ3F7EBXKF44XXXX

That's a big difference in range 44XXXX - 49XXXX.

That's not from the source of the manage page. I don't have a link to a finalize page but if you replace the /profile?rn=RNXXXX in the URL of the mange page with /product-finalize?rn=RNXXXX and then view that page source that's where i find references to the VIN.

unkel

Lumen wrote: »

There's a UK blogger who did a track day at Castle Coombe and managed to get half an hour out of his M3P, but he didn't drive like Rosberg. :pac:

I saw that and yeah good point

Battery the bottle neck there though. Supercharger 3 near the track and you can have many half hour races during the day though