Tesla Model 3 thread - V2.0

smokybacon

sln852 wrote: »

That's interesting i've got 5YJ3F7EBXKF44XXXX

That's a big difference in range 44XXXX - 49XXXX.

That's not from the source of the manage page. I don't have a link to a finalize page but if you replace the /profile?rn=RNXXXX in the URL of the mange page with /product-finalize?rn=RNXXXX and then view that page source that's where i find references to the VIN.

What do you get when you view invoice but change “booking” to “final” in search bar?

sln852

smokybacon wrote: »

What do you get when you view invoice but change “booking” to “final” in search bar?

It shows the same invoice. No changes.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

unkel wrote: »

That's the way I read it too, fitzgeme

A track day will probably eat tyres twice as quick as a stripped out E36 M3, but hey that's par for the course

I have eaten an entire set of tyres and half a set of front pads on a trackday in a e46 m3....track work absolutly hammers a car. My m3 is only 150kg lighter than a Tesla M3...so are we saying that one of the greatest trackday cars of all time is too heavy?????

unkel

Yeah I don't see pads or tyres as the problem. Battery is an issue though.

How long does a full tank last in your E46 M3 on a track day? Do most race circuits (like say Mondello) have petrol pumps? Just looked up and the eCars chargepoint in Naas with a 50kW CCS charger is only 10km from Mondello :pac:

I assume you will take your Model 3 P to the track?

btkm8unsl0w5r4

unkel wrote: »

I assume you will take your Model 3 P to the track?

I hope to....looks like you could scald the battery away in 60 - 90 minutes....mondello need to install a supercharger

A 15 minute supercharge between laps would be ideal honestly.

jarrieta

I am also hoping to bring it to Mondello for track days, haven't had a car for track days in ages. Was hoping to buy a lotus but the price is never dropping for second hand ones and the practicality won't justify the price to pay, Evora is the most practical and is holding its price for the last 5 years, not coming down and a modern elise is the same

Lumen

jarrieta wrote: »

I am also hoping to bring it to Mondello for track days, haven't had a car for track days in ages. Was hoping to buy a lotus but the price is never dropping for second hand ones and the practicality won't justify the price to pay, Evora is the most practical and is holding its price for the last 5 years, not coming down and a modern elise is the same

A Caterham Fireblade on a Brian James Minno trailer might scrape under the M3 AWD towing limit. :pac:

jarrieta

Lumen wrote: »

A Caterham Fireblade on a Brian James Minno trailer might scrape under the M3 AWD towing limit. :pac:

Hahaha, an exige would be passing my limits on practicality (dictated by my income and wealth, not because I wouldn't if I had enough money)

I know the model 3P won't be the same at all but at least it is practical and hopefully cheap to maintain

batts_not_incl

Has anyone heard any stories about Model 3 regarding theft? Is it possible to steal one?
I am thinking not, as even if your keycard is lifted, the car can be controlled remotely, so, similar to iPhones they could be rendered useless in the event? Any reports of it's technology being hacked or worked around regarding theft?
Strikes me as something that people don't talk about enough when judging pros' and cons' versus ICE vehicles.
Should greatly affect Insurance premiums also.
Fast Cars with big boots used to be major targets in certain areas of the country, I seem to remember.

Silent Running

batts_not_incl wrote: »

Has anyone heard any stories about Model 3 regarding theft? Is it possible to steal one?
I am thinking not, as even if your keycard is lifted, the car can be controlled remotely, so, similar to iPhones they could be rendered useless in the event? Any reports of it's technology being hacked or worked around regarding theft?
Strikes me as something that people don't talk about enough when judging pros' and cons' versus ICE vehicles.
Should greatly affect Insurance premiums also.
Fast Cars with big boots used to be major targets in certain areas of the country, I seem to remember.

It's possible to steal anything. No amount of security or app control can prevent a thief from taking a car away on a trailer or truck. It could be broken and all parts sold before you get the insurance to pay up.

batts_not_incl

Silent Running wrote: »

It's possible to steal anything. No amount of security or app control can prevent a thief from taking a car away on a trailer or truck. It could be broken and all parts sold before you get the insurance to pay up.

Fair point on the breaking. GPS tracking should reduce this likelihood, hopefully.
Curious to know where most stolen cars in ireland end up, are they exported whole or broken up.
Something I've never really thought about.

jusmeig

batts_not_incl wrote: »

Fair point on the breaking. GPS tracking should reduce this likelihood, hopefully.
Curious to know where most stolen cars in ireland end up, are they exported whole or broken up.
Something I've never really thought about.

You can turn on having to enter a pin number to drive.
I'm fairly sure with this activated the entire car would need to be lifted into a truck to steal it.

Silent Running

batts_not_incl wrote: »

Fair point on the breaking. GPS tracking should reduce this likelihood, hopefully.
Curious to know where most stolen cars in ireland end up, are they exported whole or broken up.
Something I've never really thought about.

There was a thread recently where a car was stolen in Dublin and the owner was able to track it on GPS. The Gardai were involved, but the car headed north and went into NI and the GPS signal disappeared. The car was never recovered to my knowledge.

I would imagine that once a car is put into a shipping container, that's the end of the GPS signal.

cnocbui

batts_not_incl wrote: »

Has anyone heard any stories about Model 3 regarding theft? Is it possible to steal one?
I am thinking not, as even if your keycard is lifted, the car can be controlled remotely, so, similar to iPhones they could be rendered useless in the event? Any reports of it's technology being hacked or worked around regarding theft?
Strikes me as something that people don't talk about enough when judging pros' and cons' versus ICE vehicles.
Should greatly affect Insurance premiums also.
Fast Cars with big boots used to be major targets in certain areas of the country, I seem to remember.

I wouldn't be too smug about Electric vs ICE. I have seen it stated that there has never been a single instance of a Honda Civic Type R being driven away without the key. I knew someone who had a Mitsubishi EVO IX. That had a comprehensive GPS based security suite with tracker and a mobile SIM. He said if he forgot to reconfigure the geo-fencing, the car would get an incoming call from the 24/7 monitoring service asking if everything was alright and asking him to confirm his identity and password. Had he not correctly responded they would have remotely disabled the car. Even the parts had concealed VINs. The paint on every panel included coded micro particles that could uniquely identify the car.

Nothing new under the sun.

IrishHomer

Sorry to jump into in here I haven't time to search through this long thread.

I haven't seen any Model 3 on Irish roads yet.

Are they out in Ireland now?

If I wanted to order one is it now just a 6 week waiting list?

ELM327

IrishHomer wrote: »

Sorry to jump into in here I haven't time to search through this long thread.

I haven't seen any Model 3 on Irish roads yet.

Are they out in Ireland now?

If I wanted to order one is it now just a 6 week waiting list?

Out in UK + NI only, DC motors has a UK import to sell now.
Estimated towards the middle of Q4 for ROI deliveries as we stand.

batts_not_incl

cnocbui wrote: »

I wouldn't be too smug about Electric vs ICE. I have seen it stated that there has never been a single instance of a Honda Civic Type R being driven away without the key. I knew someone who had a Mitsubishi EVO IX. That had a comprehensive GPS based security suite with tracker and a mobile SIM. He said if he forgot to reconfigure the geo-fencing, the car would get an incoming call from the 24/7 monitoring service asking if everything was alright and asking him to confirm his identity and password. Had he not correctly responded they would have remotely disabled the car. Even the parts had concealed VINs. The paint on every panel included coded micro particles that could uniquely identify the car.

Nothing new under the sun.

wow, that's pretty cool technology, hadn't heard of the Micro-Particle paint thing, pure James Bond ****. I guess where I was going with EV versus ICE is to do with ability to start the vehicle without co-operation from the software stack- strikes me as easier to do on an ICE car?
Does the Tesla App/API have any mechanism for notifying you on your phone when car is started/doors unlocked?

jusmeig

IrishHomer wrote: »

Sorry to jump into in here I haven't time to search through this long thread.

I haven't seen any Model 3 on Irish roads yet.

Are they out in Ireland now?

If I wanted to order one is it now just a 6 week waiting list?

None on Irish roads apart from the one in Sandyford that belongs to Tesla!
The hope is that there will be cars delivered before the end of 2019.
If you order now, you will not get a car in 6 weeks.

Creamy Goodness

jusmeig wrote: »

None on Irish roads apart from the one in Sandyford that belongs to Tesla!
The hope is that there will be cars delivered before the end of 2019.
If you order now, you will not get a car in 6 weeks.

DC cars have a white Model 3

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/tesla/model-3/used-2019-192-tesla-model-3-standard-dublin-fpa-201906249351505

ELM327

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

DC cars have a white Model 3

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/tesla/model-3/used-2019-192-tesla-model-3-standard-dublin-fpa-201906249351505

Yes I mentioned it above, I think you'd have to be mad to buy it and not wait for the Irish deliveries!

ELM327 wrote: »

Out in UK + NI only, DC motors has a UK import to sell now.
Estimated towards the middle of Q4 for ROI deliveries as we stand.

Creamy Goodness

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes I mentioned it above, I think you'd have to be mad to buy it and not wait for the Irish deliveries!

Sorry I must have missed that. I was more commenting on the fact that there's a chance you'll see the non-test drive one out on the roads since this one is for sale.

BobbyBingo

Teslablue wrote: »

It looks like Lydden has been scheduled as the first roro to pick up for Europe from Philadelphia for Tesla, if this keeps going it will halve the time from built to delivery to Europe and increase the probability of Irish deliveries in October.

It looks like you are dead right. Lots of Model 3's on their way by truck across the US to Philadelphia for faster delivery to Rosslare Europe..

https://twitter.com/PhilaPort/status/1168339663075074051


Philadelphia to Zeebrugge is 4k nautical miles by comparison to the 10k from San Francisco. More here: https://www.xautoworld.com/tesla/faster-deliveries-eu-uk-philaport/?fbclid=IwAR0-AJnkHywnb8zZgDyiw2sVlnWvqtlL4IqT4q1-0u4iKl5O-lNDRvo_XHI

EVGuy

jarrieta wrote: »

I am also hoping to bring it to Mondello for track days, haven't had a car for track days in ages. Was hoping to buy a lotus but the price is never dropping for second hand ones and the practicality won't justify the price to pay, Evora is the most practical and is holding its price for the last 5 years, not coming down and a modern elise is the same

How about a 106 GTi? I have one for sale. Only 70k miles.

jusmeig

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

Sorry I must have missed that. I was more commenting on the fact that there's a chance you'll see the non-test drive one out on the roads since this one is for sale.

The person who ponies up an extra 6k to buy that has money to burn

Creamy Goodness

jusmeig wrote: »

The person who ponies up an extra 6k to buy that has money to burn

You'd be surprised, plenty of people are buying luxury watches at more than double the RRP, I've no doubt it happens with cars too.

If you had the spare cash I bet you'd have 6k of fun before Tesla Sandyford start shipping :pac:.

jusmeig

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

You'd be surprised, plenty of people are buying luxury watches at more than double the RRP, I've no doubt it happens with cars too.

If you had the spare cash I bet you'd have 6k of fun before Tesla Sandyford start shipping :pac:.

It's a SR+ tho? Said people would (should!?) be shopping for a M3P!

copeyhagen

jusmeig wrote: »

The person who ponies up an extra 6k to buy that has money to burn

was there a price on it earlier?

Creamy Goodness

jusmeig wrote: »

It's a SR+ tho? Said people would (should!?) be shopping for a M3P!

true to some extent, I still wager someone will buy it to be first.

jusmeig

copeyhagen wrote: »

was there a price on it earlier?

Someone on this or possibly another thread said they called and it's 6k more expensive that on tesla's site.

sln852

The 'Edit Design' button has returned and the VIN is gone.

hatrack

sln852 wrote: »

The 'Edit Design' button has returned and the VIN is gone.

They’ve started deliveries in Australia now too (after New Zealand last week).

Presume we’re still behind Japan, Hong Kong, South Korea and Macau.

BobbyBingo

sln852 wrote: »

The 'Edit Design' button has returned and the VIN is gone.

Were you accessing it from a PC or mobile ? (The 'Edit Design' doesn't show in portrait on a mobile).

sln852

BobbyBingo wrote: »

Were you accessing it from a PC or mobile ? (The 'Edit Design' doesn't show in portrait on a mobile).

It was a desktop browser. The link had disappeared for a few days and there was a VIN in the source of the product-finalize page but it's back now and no sign of a VIN anywhere.

sk8board

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

true to some extent, I still wager someone will buy it to be first.

Very wealthy people like unique things that other people can’t have/afford.
This M3 would be ideal in theory, but most of those wealthy people shelled out S class Mercedes money (and much more in some cases) on a top-spec model S back in 2015 onwards, or even more on the X.

It’s like complaining that Mansory cars all look truly awful (they do!) - but really really wealthy people don’t want a normal Rolls Royce when they can have one that mere millionaires can’t afford. Hence Mansory exist and always will.

There’s always someone who will pay ‘overs’ for a rare/unique car to show the boys at the country club for those crucial few weeks or months that they can’t have one. €6k isn’t that much to that guy, esp if depreciation is lighter in the long run

Teslablue

It’s terrible to see that the uk customers can order 2 months or more after we were open to orders and get their cars before ours, it reminds me of the time the iPhone came out and we were regarded as second class to the uk market. It maybe to do with them having a dictator similar to the USA.

cnocbui

It looks like Tesla is trucking the Irish bound cars across the US unwrapped. Make sure you check the paintwork before accepting. It also must be costing $1300-1500 per car, so no wonder they can't turn a profit.

unkel

Teslablue wrote: »

It’s terrible to see that the uk customers can order 2 months or more after we were open to orders and get their cars before ours, it reminds me of the time the iPhone came out and we were regarded as second class to the uk market. It maybe to do with them having a dictator similar to the USA.

LOL it's not a food voucher system for the starving - everybody is equal. We are living in a capitalist system and companies should maximise profit. It looks like in order to maximise profit, Tesla should serve the UK market before the Irish market. Does that really surprise you?

mouthful

See this at 13.32 for a stolen Tesla Model 3 story.
https://youtu.be/JASnVauHV28

Teslablue

BobbyBingo wrote: »

It looks like you are dead right. Lots of Model 3's on their way by truck across the US to Philadelphia for faster delivery to Rosslare Europe..

https://twitter.com/PhilaPort/status/1168339663075074051


Philadelphia to Zeebrugge is 4k nautical miles by comparison to the 10k from San Francisco. More here: https://www.xautoworld.com/tesla/faster-deliveries-eu-uk-philaport/?fbclid=IwAR0-AJnkHywnb8zZgDyiw2sVlnWvqtlL4IqT4q1-0u4iKl5O-lNDRvo_XHI

There is only one RORO scheduled for philly port and that is the Atlantic Runner on the 24th of September, which is reported to have been decommissioned, so we will have to wait and see.

Teslablue

unkel wrote: »

LOL it's not a food voucher system for the starving - everybody is equal. We are living in a capitalist system and companies should maximise profit. It looks like in order to maximise profit, Tesla should serve the UK market before the Irish market. Does that really surprise you?

LOL no

Kramer

Teslablue wrote: »

It maybe to do with them having a dictator similar to the USA.

Trump's fault .

Feel for those awaiting their M3s though - Tesla showing disdain for Irish customers.

bdogg

Kramer wrote: »

Trump's fault .

Feel for those awaiting their M3s though - Tesla showing disdain for Irish customers.

It’s been ridiculous. There has been basically one generic text update from Tesla in 2019 to all reservation/order holders. Estimated deliveries have come and gone with no explanation.

Incredibly annoying and difficult to plan selling existing car or organising tax and insurance and finance when the person selling you the car won’t tell you truthfully when to expect it.

The model 3 is a great product but this whole process of ordering from Tesla has been a wretched one. Possibly the worst customer service I’ve ever come across. All over the place and verging on farcical.

I feel embarrassed when people actually ask me when I’m getting my car as I genuinely have no idea.

jusmeig

bdogg wrote: »

It’s been ridiculous. There has been basically one generic text update from Tesla in 2019 to all reservation/order holders. Estimated deliveries have come and gone with no explanation.

Incredibly annoying and difficult to plan selling existing car or organising tax and insurance and finance when the person selling you the car won’t tell you truthfully when to expect it.

The model 3 is a great product but this whole process of ordering from Tesla has been a wretched one. Possibly the worst customer service I’ve ever come across. All over the place and verging on farcical.

I feel embarrassed when people actually ask me when I’m getting my car as I genuinely have no idea.

Don't feel embarrassed, it's not your fault. Don't get angry, get even. You can do beautiful electric donuts in their car park on collection day in 2020, and glide off into the sunset...that's my plan.

hatrack

DC Motors have sourced another Model 3 - Performance version this time.

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/tesla/model-3/used-2019-192-tesla-model-3-long-rang-dublin-fpa-201909031798425

jusmeig

hatrack wrote: »

DC Motors have sourced another Model 3 - Performance version this time.

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/tesla/model-3/used-2019-192-tesla-model-3-long-rang-dublin-fpa-201909031798425

Elon would be disgusted if he knew the traditional dealers could supply Model 3's to anyone before the loyal reservation holding minions, of which I am part

batts_not_incl

hatrack wrote: »

DC Motors have sourced another Model 3 - Performance version this time.

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/tesla/model-3/used-2019-192-tesla-model-3-long-rang-dublin-fpa-201909031798425

"Due in". now DC motors customers know how the rest of us feel

hatrack

batts_not_incl wrote: »

"Due in". now DC motors customers know how the rest of us feel

They’ll have it before Tesla anyway. Presume it’s coming from the UK.

Are there any risks to buying it from them as opposed to Tesla? Could Tesla switch off connectivity or anything?

charlieIRL

Can I ask what is the price of a basic spec Model 3 after grants / VRT etc?

hatrack

charlieIRL wrote: »

Can I ask what is the price of a basic spec Model 3 after grants / VRT etc?

€47,840.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Installed today....all I need now is my car, I am ready for ya Elon.