Tesla Model 3 thread - V2.0

slave1

Seth Orange Springboard wrote: »

Installed today....all I need now is my car, I am ready for ya Elon.

So you didn't go for the grant??!!

Batesy

Am I right in saying the autonomous hardware is on board all versions but costs €6500 to “unlock”??

jusmeig

Batesy wrote: »

Am I right in saying the autonomous hardware is on board all versions but costs €6500 to “unlock”??

Yes

unkel

Yes. FSD is just a software unlock.

BBMcQ

jusmeig wrote: »

Elon would be disgusted if he knew the traditional dealers could supply Model 3's to anyone before the loyal reservation holding minions, of which I am part

Also, resellers can offer PCP which will make the car way more affordable. The SR+ will be about 700 on 5 year HP but “only” 450-500 on PCP.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

slave1 wrote: »

So you didn't go for the grant??!!

I am not paying for the charger personally and I also am having some redecoration done in the house in the coming weeks, so made sense to install it ASAP. Running the cables in my house created a bit of a mess.

Teslablue

Has anyone in Ireland gone to “Prepare for delivery” on their account yet?

maclek

Teslablue wrote: »

Has anyone in Ireland gone to “Prepare for delivery” on their account yet?

Not that we're aware of. A few people myself included have had vins assigned only for tesla to take them away. So clearly the back end system that assigns orders to built cars thinks we're worthy but something / one is then pulling them off us.


Speculation is all over the shop but no one who knows is saying anything. Theories include revenue issues, seai issues, staffing issues in Sandyford, invoice system issues, shipping / distribution issues, anti-Irish discrimination, brexit, Jacob Rees-Mogg secretly runs Tesla in Europe. Anything I missed? Honestly probably just supply / demand issues, Tesla has decided to prioritise other RHD markets over Ireland.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

You missed the Illuminati .

bdogg

Teslablue wrote: »

Has anyone in Ireland gone to “Prepare for delivery” on their account yet?

Nope.

Until I get a phonecall from Sandyford and a text with a date I'm not even taking any website changes seriously.

goob20s

Do Tesla home chargers work with any CCS equipped car?

dingledosser

I just emailed OrderUpdatesEMEA to enquire if upgrading my order to LR AWD would push out the delivery time, and this is the instant reply I got:

***Dear customer,

We are sorry to hear that you would like to cancel your order.

If you have not done so yet, please reply to your initial email and send us your bank details in the following form:

Reservation/order number
Bank account holder name
IBAN
BIC

Once we received all the required information your cancellation will be processed automatically and you can expect your refund within 45 days. Please be informed that you can view the status of your order in your My Tesla account and that you will not receive any additional email confirmation.***

batts_not_incl

Seth Orange Springboard wrote: »

Installed today....all I need now is my car, I am ready for ya Elon.

sorry if i missed this already, but would you mind sharing the process and price for getting this installed, what output you're getting on an ESB supply etc?

bdogg

batts_not_incl wrote: »

sorry if i missed this already, but would you mind sharing the process and price for getting this installed, what output you're getting on an ESB supply etc?

You need to get a 32A circuit from your fuse board run to it with a cut off/isolator safety switch. This provides the maximum charging speed you can get via the Tesla high power wall charger which will give a rate of 7.4 kW or 31 to 44 km/h charging speed.

People on here will say to get 3 phase installed and get a different charger to get a faster rate, but the Tesla wall charger is capped at 32a here in Europe and it would cost you a fortune to install 3 phase unless you already live in a factory or an industrial estate.

You need to call 2-3 electricians and get a quote from each. Pricing varies widely.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

bdogg wrote: »

You need to get a 32A circuit from your fuse board run to it with a cut off/isolator safety switch. This provides the maximum charging speed you can get via the Tesla high power wall charger which will give a rate of 7.4 kW or 31 to 44 km/h charging speed.

People on here will say to get 3 phase installed and get a different charger to get a faster rate, but the Tesla wall charger is capped at 32a here in Europe and it would cost you a fortune to install 3 phase unless you already live in a factory or an industrial estate.

You need to call 2-3 electricians and get a quote from each. Pricing varies widely.

^^^ This

Cost a little of 500 for the tesla wall unit, and about 700 for the install. Varies wildly depending on the state of you house wiring. I needed a new ground and other upgrades before they could install.

Around 7kw...so empty to 80% in about 5-7 hours. Its an overnight thing for me. Actually took the electrician a day install it, lot of work.

I got names off the tesla website for recommended installers, there are a bunch out there. I am happy with the install, and the tesla wall unit is very discrete compared to some other units I looked at.

Process is ring an installer....they come do a survey and tell you the cost...you buy the charger off Tesla (they keep them in stock)...the chap come out and installs the charger. Simples.

smokybacon

dingledosser wrote: »

I just emailed OrderUpdatesEMEA to enquire if upgrading my order to LR AWD would push out the delivery time, and this is the instant reply I got:

***Dear customer,

We are sorry to hear that you would like to cancel your order.

If you have not done so yet, please reply to your initial email and send us your bank details in the following form:

Reservation/order number
Bank account holder name
IBAN
BIC

Once we received all the required information your cancellation will be processed automatically and you can expect your refund within 45 days. Please be informed that you can view the status of your order in your My Tesla account and that you will not receive any additional email confirmation.***

If you cancel the order you qualify for a free upgrade to spaceX rocket🚘

unkel

Seth Orange Springboard wrote: »

Around 7kw...so empty to 80% in about 5-7 hours. Its an overnight thing for me.

If you don't already have night rate electricity, ring your electricity provider to get it installed. Costs nothing to install, will add about €50 per year to your standing charge and will up your day rate by about 1c / kWh but your night rate will go down from something like 18c / kWh to 8c / kWh so substantial savings in charging your EV (and better for the environment as night generation is mostly from wind a lot of the time)

btkm8unsl0w5r4

unkel wrote: »

If you don't already have night rate electricity, ring your electricity provider to get it installed. Costs nothing to install, will add about €50 per year to your standing charge and will up your day rate by about 1c / kWh but your night rate will go down from something like 18c / kWh to 8c / kWh so substantial savings in charging your EV (and better for the environment as night generation is mostly from wind a lot of the time)

Done...at what time does night rate kick in? Midnight?

unkel

Summer (time): 00:00 - 09:00
Winter (time): 23:00 - 08:00

For most households not making any changes in behaviour, it more or less breaks even. With an EV (charging at night) the savings are substantial.

80sDiesel

With the advice that the 3 shouldn't be discharged below 25% and not charged beyond 80% is the real world range then 500 kilometer. I know Audi gets hate re it's range (deserved) but it 'automatically' does this with its large buffer so 100% charged is never 100% due to its large buffering.

unkel

80sDiesel wrote: »

With the advice that the 3 shouldn't be discharged below 25% and not charged beyond 80%

Who's advice?

Sounds like the so called experts telling me not to overclock the bejaysus out of CPUs 20 years ago as it would be detrimental to their lifespan. While technically, that was a valid argument. My CPU would probably only last 3 years and without overclocking 10 years. But back then a CPU was pretty much obsolete within one or two years. So whether it lasted 3 years, 10 years or 300 years was completely irrelevant.

Lumen

80sDiesel wrote: »

With the advice that the 3 shouldn't be discharged below 25% and not charged beyond 80%...

That's not really true. You're best off keeping it within that range routinely if you can, for battery longevity, but it's the difference between a 300k km battery life and a 500k km battery life.

With Tesla you get to choose how much of the range to use.

KCross

unkel wrote: »

Summer (time): 00:00 - 09:00
Winter (time): 23:00 - 08:00

For most households not making any changes in behaviour, it more or less breaks even. With an EV (charging at night) the savings are substantial.

Very much mileage dependent though!

carloscorreia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7g7C-R9OQE

cnocbui

Lumen wrote: »

That's not really true. You're best off keeping it within that range routinely if you can, for battery longevity, but it's the difference between a 300k km battery life and a 500k km battery life.

With Tesla you get to choose how much of the range to use.

No. With Tesla, they get to decide how much range you will have. https://twitter.com/hashtag/TeslaRangeIssues?src=hash

unkel

KCross wrote: »

Very much mileage dependent though!

Eh yeah. If you buy an EV to use as in ornament on your driveway never to be driven or if you are poor at maths and don't believe all the other people with significantly better skills and experience, then there are no savings :pac:

For everyone else the savings are roughly €160 per year per 10k km driven...

16kWh/100km, so 1600kWh per 10k km

1600 * (0.18 normal day rate - 0.08 night rate) = €160

EVGuy

dingledosser wrote: »

I just emailed OrderUpdatesEMEA to enquire if upgrading my order to LR AWD would push out the delivery time, and this is the instant reply I got:

***Dear customer,

We are sorry to hear that you would like to cancel your order.

I wonder if anyone would notice if all of us sent an email asking for an update to this address? Would somone/something be triggered implying lots of people were looking at cancelling?

@unkel The €160 saving easily pays for the road tax.

KCross

unkel wrote: »

Eh yeah. If you buy an EV to use as in ornament on your driveway never to be driven or if you are poor at maths and don't believe all the other people with significantly better skills and experience, then there are no savings :pac:

For everyone else the savings are roughly €160 per year per 10k km driven...

16kWh/100km, so 1600kWh per 10k km

1600 * (0.18 normal day rate - 0.08 night rate) = €160

Right but someone paying €50k for a car, doing 10k a year isn’t going to consider €100 (you didn’t subtract extra standing charge) a substantial saving!

All I’m saying is, do the math. It’s not necessarily a substantial saving. A saving yes, but substantial is very much mileage dependent... that’s all I said.

unkel

KCross wrote: »

Right but someone paying €50k for a car, doing 10k a year isn’t going to consider €100 (you didn’t subtract extra standing charge) a substantial saving!

I did. My presumption was that the typical household more or less breaks even when switching to night rate. Average EV does say 20k km per year. So €320 saving year in year out. For just a one off 5 minute phone call. If you don't call that significant, I don't know what is...

Do you personally know anyone who makes a grand in just a few minutes?

Lumen

cnocbui wrote: »

No. With Tesla, they get to decide how much range you will have. https://twitter.com/hashtag/TeslaRangeIssues?src=hash

There seems to be quite a high signal-to-noisy-shorts ratio on that hashtag.

Can you summarise?

cnocbui

Lumen wrote: »

There seems to be quite a high signal-to-noisy-shorts ratio on that hashtag.

Can you summarise?

Nice try. How about a 221 page thread on the Tesla Owners Club site? Perhaps that's just a conspiracy by shorters too.

KCross

unkel wrote: »

I did. My presumption was that the typical household more or less breaks even when switching to night rate.

Bad presumption. If it were true the majority would be on night rate. The other thread discussing this proves the point.

unkel wrote: »

Average EV does say 20k km per year. So €320 saving year in year out. For just a one off 5 minute phone call. If you don't call that significant, I don't know what is...

You're moving the goalpost now with the 20k km's. Read what I said.... its mileage dependent.

unkel wrote: »

Do you personally know anyone who makes a grand in just a few minutes?

I do, but not sure how/why thats relevant.


Lets not derail the thread. There is a specific thread discussing it here.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058011241


Its simply a case that if you have an EV you should be on night rate.

The more miles you do the more you save. Whether its a substantial saving or not is down to the miles you do.....again, thats all I said and that is true.

unkel

KCross wrote: »

Its simply a case that if you have an EV you should be on night rate.

Hallelujah

I've never advised anyone to go on the night rate if they didn't have an EV...

KCross

unkel wrote: »

Hallelujah

I've never advised anyone to go on the night rate if they didn't have an EV...

I never said someone shouldnt switch to night rate with an EV!

Its your use of the word substantial is the "issue". Maybe you have a different understanding of substantial to me!

maclek

goob20s wrote: »

Do Tesla home chargers work with any CCS equipped car?

My home charger works fine with a leaf 40 and a merc 330e so I'd say yes. There used to be a dip switch inside the unit to allow no Tesla vehicles that but I don't think that's the case any more.



Note also the home charger is a type 2 connector, CCS is a type 2 connector with extra dc bits on the bottom.

carloscorreia

Engineering Explained: M3P 20" vs 18" - Cost, some science/physics and 0-60 times

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqFT0tsusUY

Lumen

carloscorreia wrote: »

Engineering Explained: M3P 20" vs 18" - Cost, some science/physics and 0-60 times

Interesting that there's no ride quality improvement. My experience with a Citroen C5 was that going down 2 inches made a big difference, particularly at motorway speed where the larger wheels made it feel lumpen.

Grumpypants

Am I missing something. I'd been keeping half an eye out for the model 3 which was billed as a €30k mass market option.

But I just went on the website and the cheapest one is starts at 48k? And that includes the 5k grant so it is really €52k

It's still some car, but why is it being mentioned in the same ball park as the leaf/nero/kona when it's price puts it in the high end market.

shanec1928

Grumpypants wrote: »

Am I missing something. I'd been keeping half an eye out for the model 3 which was billed as a €30k mass market option.

But I just went on the website and the cheapest one is starts at 48k? And that includes the 5k grant so it is really €52k

It's still some car, but why is it being mentioned in the same ball park as the leaf/nero/kona when it's price puts it in the high end market.

30k usd...

Grumpypants

shanec1928 wrote: »

30k usd...

$35k which is €30k. How did it get from €30k to €52k

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Base model 3 in the US, no options, basic paint, is 30,315 USD. That we are getting screwed in Ireland is nothing new, but we are getting screwed on this less than with most other cars.

Lumen

shanec1928 wrote: »

30k usd...

AFAIK it was only going to be 35k USD for the base version, which was withdrawn, SR+ in US is 39k USD.

Obvs shipping costs, import duties and taxes make the Irish price higher again.

Import Duty for American cars at 10% + VAT on top of the full price at 23% also somewhat stings here.

ted1

unkel wrote: »

Hallelujah

I've never advised anyone to go on the night rate if they didn't have an EV...

Unless they work nights or plan to charge during the day .

Tesla Model 3 was the third best selling Model of car un UK in August after Ford Fiesta and VW Golf. No wonder Tesla tried to ship as many RHD cars to UK as they could. Over 2000 were registered.

ted1

Lumen wrote: »

AFAIK it was only going to be 35k USD for the base version, which was withdrawn, SR+ in US is 39k USD.

Obvs shipping costs, import duties and taxes make the Irish price higher again.

Still available over the phone.

Round Cable

samih wrote: »

Import Duty for American cars at 10% + VAT on top of the full price at 23% also somewhat stings here.

Also there is an amount of residual VRT, that the €5k allowance doesn't bring to zero.

Grumpypants

If i change to the uk the exact same car is £37k. About €40k. VAT about the same, grant about the same. Only different is the 2900 VRT.

Is it just a 5k paddy tax ?

sln852

There was a price cut in the UK in July that reduced the price of the Standard Range Plus by £1,560 down to £36,490 so that can be factored in as well. The price wasn't reduced here.

Teslablue

Unfortunately the Lydden is on its way to China and not Europe