Huawei banned in US

Blazer

squawker wrote: »

Anyway back to Google's decision, it will be interesting the hear their reasoning during the week

Their reason is that Trump has put Huawei on the restricted entity list.
As such with Google being an US company they are required by US law to abide by it.
This is bad for google too....it highlights how one man can basically stop a company from dealing with other global companies and impacting millions of people worldwide.
Apple don't have this issue since they only run ios on their own devices whereas Android runs on multiple manufacturers voices.

Sir Oxman

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

They're completely ****ed now.

https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/05/19/huaweis-future-phones-reportedly-wont-have-access-to-google-services-including-the-play-store/

Just saw this on breakfast news
Google servcies and apps won't work on future Huwaei phones!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48330310


Huawei have said they expected this and have prepared...

OldMrBrennan83

What does existing mean though? Phones already activated or all current models? Like if you bought a P30 today is it going to get through the setup process or not?

Sir Oxman

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

What does existing mean though? Phones already activated or all current models? Like if you bought a PEP today is it going to get through the setup process or not?

I'd say Huawei owners today can still setup and use Google stuff and get updates until end of lifecycle for Pie v9

Future devices from Q v10 not.


I think it may be settled before that happens but I'm intrigued by Huawei saying they are prepared!

drunkmonkey

Where did you get that info from, it's an immediate block no more updates by the looks of it.

Sir Oxman

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Where did you get that info from, it's an immediate block no more updates by the looks of it.

From the BBC report linked:


"New designs of Huawei smartphones are set to lose access to some Google apps."


"Existing Huawei smartphone users will be able to update apps and push through security fixes, as well as update Google Play services. But when Google launches the next version of Android later this year, it may not be available on Huawei devices.
Future Huawei devices may no longer have apps such as YouTube and Maps."

drunkmonkey

Hard to know the truth there all guessing, Sky says "Existing products will no longer receive Android updates, which bring new features and security improvements"

listermint

drunkmonkey wrote: »

In fairness to Trump he acts the tough guy threating this and that but he hasn't dragged America into a war and killed millions, for keeping the world a safer place he deserves a second term.
He's a business man, he's trying to get a better deal for Americans. That'll be good for him at home.

Not for this thread really but trump is in a war right now in Yemen. He's used drone strikes more times in his two years than Obama ever did . Hes stoked tensions in the middle East by his tearing apart of he two state solution a policy that has been in the US for decades. And he's now pretending that Iran are a threat making up stories about troop movements and increased aggression at their borders a claim that's been proven false by American allies left right and centre.

This white washing of trump has to stop. He's surrounded himself with war mongerers and stuffed his senior staff with wealthy private backers who would stand to gain heavily from any conflict.

It's a disgrace that people like yourself are spreading misinformation and it has to be called out constantly.

And this Huawei thing well theres more to it and I suspect entirely it's that the Europeans were buying telecoms hardware in their droves which prevents US spying , something they have been caught for several times in the past.you may recall blackberry and Angela Merkel amongst various other European leaders being recorded.

Let's get real sir.

drunkmonkey

I think he's doing a great job for Americans. Don't like he's a bit biased with his iPhone though. Let's see what China do to Apple.

stefanovich

wotzgoingon wrote: »

I agree with Isreal they are scumbags,

Does Israel have a right to protect itself or not? If someone attacks you and you defend yourself, are you the scumbag?

listermint

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I think he's doing a great job for Americans. Don't like he's a bit biased with his iPhone though. Let's see what China do to Apple.

So you just ignored everything I said . He's a walking talking trope of lobbying power . Anyone can buy the man.

listermint

stefanovich wrote: »

Does Israel have a right to protect itself or not? If someone attacks you and you defend yourself, are you the scumbag?

I presume what he is trying to say is that a nation whose people suffered incredible amounts of hardship less than 80 years ago . People will struggle to understand how they can carry out similar acts on a neighbouring people in the name of protection.

It's really a perplexing thing to be frank and is a reflection in state policy and not all of its inhabitants.

I'm sure you would agree a different approach should be the option after 50 years of this crap. It's not working. A different approach was done in our island and people can now actually live

drunkmonkey

He's great value for money. Nobody else can get the lefty's knickers in a twist like him.

listermint

drunkmonkey wrote: »

He's great value for money. Nobody else can get the lefty's knickers in a twist like him.

Ah got it , transparent.

There you have it folks. A serious poster for a serious discussion.

chrismon

It's scary the power that the US has, the can decide who can sell smartphones.
Be interesting to see if it's a Huawei issue or a China issue America has, if it's a China issue it could end cheaper phones like Xaimai in Europe / US.

MaceFace

Firstly, I am the furthest thing from a Trump supporter. However, I actually am somewhat sympathetic with what the American's have done here.
There was an episode of The Daily Podcast by the NY Times last week discussing the ongoing problems with China.

Specifically with technology, China requires any technology business doing business in their country to share the technology they are using (example). This means that there is practically no such thing as IP protection. China simply steals the IP and use in their own solutions.

The only recourse available to nations is the WTO but it is ineffectual.

drunkmonkey

Shows how not incontrol of its business Google is. Wonder how the markets will react today.

listermint

MaceFace wrote: »

Firstly, I am the furthest thing from a Trump supporter. However, I actually am somewhat sympathetic with what the American's have done here.
There was an episode of The Daily Podcast by the NY Times last week discussing the ongoing problems with China.

Specifically with technology, China requires any technology business doing business in their country to share the technology they are using (example). This means that there is practically no such thing as IP protection. China simply steals the IP and use in their own solutions.

The only recourse available to nations is the WTO but it is ineffectual.

Hundred percent agree


But here's the difference. Obama would have done this through concensus with European nations and it would have more clout and a deal would have been reached relatively quickly. But what we have here is a ratcheting of tensions by a man who doesn't know how to spell concensus .

All we will get from this is fallout.

But yes the Chinese have been taking the Mick for some time. Addressing it this way was frankly idiotic

OldMrBrennan83

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Shows how not incontrol of its business Google is. Wonder how the markets will react today.

What? That's laughable seeing as this is simply because they're a US company. Intel, Qualcomm, Microsoft, etc will all be following suit, because they're US and they have to.


https://twitter.com/AndroidAuth/status/1130355403357925378

IAmTheReign

Let me get this straight. The US government, who are currently in the middle of a court battle to force Apple to rewrite their software to allow a government backdoor into their iphones, on the advice of the NSA, who openly tried to get phone manufacturers to adpopt chipsets with government backdoors in them 26 years ago, have accused Huawei of using their tech to spy?

If anyone thinks the US government doesn't already have the capability of doing exactly what they're accusing Huawei of they're deluded. This is a power play plain and simple and I would expect China to retaliate in kind.

drunkmonkey

Is the thread title not wrong, this is a global ban imposed by American.

lawred2

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Is the thread title not wrong, this is a global ban imposed by American.

A global ban?

MaceFace

listermint wrote: »

Hundred percent agree


But here's the difference. Obama would have done this through concensus with European nations and it would have more clout and a deal would have been reached relatively quickly. But what we have here is a ratcheting of tensions by a man who doesn't know how to spell concensus .

All we will get from this is fallout.

But yes the Chinese have been taking the Mick for some time. Addressing it this way was frankly idiotic

The legal recourse is the WTO which China has been a member since 2001. No American president has managed to change China's behaviour.
What is the alternative? The UK are quite happy to ignore it because they have bigger problems. The EU/world taking on China would likely lead to another recession, something few countries are in a position to weather.

Trump has gone in all heavy handed, acting tough and maybe he will get something others have failed to do?

zep

lawred2 wrote: »

A global ban?

Yes global, No android updates for Huawei worldwide. Any current phones will work on their current software versions, apps etc can be updated but there will be no updates to the Android OS, security or otherwise.
It's not just Google affected now, Intel, Qualcomm & others are all in the same boat, no dealing with Huawei allowed under US law.

Cienciano

Sir Oxman wrote: »

From the BBC report linked:


"New designs of Huawei smartphones are set to lose access to some Google apps."


"Existing Huawei smartphone users will be able to update apps and push through security fixes, as well as update Google Play services. But when Google launches the next version of Android later this year, it may not be available on Huawei devices.
Future Huawei devices may no longer have apps such as YouTube and Maps."

Going to be a lot of pressing " update later "

zep

Cienciano wrote: »

Going to be a lot of pressing " update later "

Not necessary for apps, update away. Google apps may be blacklisted against phone models so you just won't see any available updates.

stefanovich

listermint wrote: »

I presume what he is trying to say is that a nation whose people suffered incredible amounts of hardship less than 80 years ago . People will struggle to understand how they can carry out similar acts on a neighbouring people in the name of protection.

If you look at the actual history you will see that Israel is the victim here. They never initiate any violence, only respond to it. Hamas, an internationally recognised terrorist organisation whose written policy is the destruction of the state of Israel are the aggressors here. As are the majority of their muslim majority neighbours.

Israel has a right to defend itself from neighbours who, quite frankly, want to wipe out the jews in the middle east.

stefanovich

As for Huawei, glad they are banned. Good to see someone standing up to globalism and exploitation.

OldMrBrennan83

stefanovich wrote: »

As for Huawei, glad they are banned. Good to see someone standing up to globalism and exploitation.

Who's standing up to the US then?

The high horse brigade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk

long_b

I don't get it.

A few months ago Trump did a massive u-turn on similar craic with ZTE when the Chinese complained about job losses and possible recession.

And now he forces this?

The high horse brigade

stefanovich wrote: »

As for Huawei, glad they are banned. Good to see someone standing up to globalism and exploitation.

Yay, go good guys!

thesandeman

On a positive note, HuTube might have less ads.

Mr E

Doesn't affect existing devices, only new ones. That should carry through to returns?

https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-services-to-continue-working-on-existing-huawei-android-devices/

Hurrache

Mr E wrote: »

Doesn't affect existing devices, only new ones. That should carry through to returns?

https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-services-to-continue-working-on-existing-huawei-android-devices/

I don't think anything is certain at this stage really. Reports like that, does that mean for example their existing devices will get app updates via the Play store indefinitely, will users be able to continue to use One Drive indefinitely from their Huawei devices and so on.

SK1979

Presumably this goes much wider than just Google though. Surely Microsoft are under the same obligation to cut ties, so does that mean that Windows wont be updated on Huawei devices?

This will undoubtedly hurt Huawei a lot in the short-term but you'd have to think that long-term the damage could reverse onto the US companies. I'd imagine its likely to force Chinese tech companies into creating their own OS / Software Services and thereby "copying" a lot of whats already been done by Google et al.

Seems like a big-footed move by Trump.

OldMrBrennan83

SK1979 wrote: »

Presumably this goes much wider than just Google though. Surely Microsoft are under the same obligation to cut ties, so does that mean that Windows wont be updated on Huawei devices?

This will undoubtedly hurt Huawei a lot in the short-term but you'd have to think that long-term the damage could reverse onto the US companies. I'd imagine its likely to force Chinese tech companies into creating their own OS / Software Services and thereby "copying" a lot of whats already been done by Google et al.

Seems like a big-footed move by Trump.

Microsoft will be following suit. Intel, Qualcomm, and Broadcom have announced they also are.

Mantis Toboggan

You'd have to feel sorry for anyone who bought a huawei phone, surely they'll be offering refunds?

OldMrBrennan83

Nothing all that clear yet.


https://twitter.com/alexdobie/status/1130372601535242240


https://twitter.com/alexdobie/status/1130372603036803072

Anteayer

It's a potentially HUGE issue for telcos, including Eir. The Huawei VDSL gear they use for FTTC (up to 100mbit/s broadband) uses Broadcom chipsets. So it's quite possible they won't be upgradable as Huawei won't be able to buy them.

The same issue would apply to BT, Deutsche Telekom and quite a few others.

squawker

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

You'd have to feel sorry for anyone who bought a huawei phone, surely they'll be offering refunds?

would never buy a Huawei since they revoked bootloader unlock capability

what's the point having an Android handset without the ability to have full control over your device?

OldMrBrennan83

squawker wrote: »

would never buy a Huawei since they revoked bootloader unlock capability

what's the point having an Android handset without the ability to have full control over your device?

Because it's not 2008 any more and everything works fine on Android these days for 99.9% of people.

squawker

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

Because it's not 2008 any more and everything works fine on Android these days for 99.9% of people.

hhhmm no Adblock / Vanced YouTube / Magisk / etc

don't think you know what you are talking about

Mr E

He's right. I haven't rooted or put a custom ROM on my phone for 4 or 5 years I think (and I used to do it religiously every few weeks).

OldMrBrennan83

squawker wrote: »

hhhmm no Adblock / Vanced YouTube / Magisk / etc

don't think you know what you are talking about

I don't require any of those messes on my phone. Android has evolved a lot in by 2019, you'd probably want to catch up.

Hedgelayer

The best phone I ever had, my p20 battery is as good today as it was the day I bought it.

No glitches or issues, I could honestly say it's a reliable functioning phone.

squawker

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

I don't require any of those messes on my phone. Android has evolved a lot in by 2019, you'd probably want to catch up.

so where can I get a root level adblocker on these evolved Android phones you are harping on about?

or have Youtube on my phone without ads? use Greenify / Android FX / etc

I have never "messed" up any phone by rooting, I do it straight out of the box since my first handset

Chibs

I have the Mate 20 Pro. I bought it on Amazon. I contacted there support this morning and they offered me a full refund. So ill take it probably take the jump back to samsung.

Hurrache

squawker wrote: »

hhhmm no Adblock / Vanced YouTube / Magisk / etc

don't think you know what you are talking about

Last phone I felt the need to do it was on the first Galaxy S long after official updates stopped.

Tar.Aldarion

Hedgelayer wrote: »

The best phone I ever had, my p20 battery is as good today as it was the day I bought it.

No glitches or issues, I could honestly say it's a reliable functioning phone.

Best phone I've had too, god damn!