Everest

tuxy

shamrock55 wrote: »

No way that line of people on the mountain is real

Close to 300 reached the summit on the south side on Wednesday, not confirmed yet but it will probably break the old record from 2016.

yosser hughes

"A British mountaineer, among the latest to die while climbing Mount Everest in less than two weeks, wrote about his worries that overcrowding on the mountain could “prove fatal” in the days before he lost his life while descending."

http://time.com/5596455/everest-robin-hayes-fisher-instagram/?utm_medium=socialflowtw&utm_campaign=time&utm_source=twitter.com&xid=time_socialflow_twitter

LillySV

Hope no rescue personnel lose their lives for these fools

Lillyfae

ChikiChiki wrote: »

She seemed a bit of an oddball. Especially the staging photos in all the gear before the trip and then having the posters outside her tent. WTF was that all about?

Ego. Ego ego ego. I've met people like Shriya, and I don't like them. Think that they are capable of anything and that everything that they do is an achievement and better and more important than what everyone else does. This is ego and nothing else. How depressing dragging a dead, frozen solid body down a mountain?

At least she didn't have any dependents at home, still something that I can't for the life of me get over. If my oh announced that he would be doing something like this (or any of the risky endeavours he used to enjoy before becoming a father) I would be pursuing power of attorney and freezing any assets etc he has as insurance for our child's future. It's sociopathic behaviour to leave your young family like that. Read up on the state that John Delaney left his family in:

http://fortune.com/2013/10/10/the-mysterious-life-and-death-of-intrades-ceo/

iamwhoiam

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-7073081/BEN-FOGLE-Mount-Everests-overcrowding-claim-lives.html


It is the Daily Mail and for that I apologise but an interesting read


Those making their descent had to wait hours to get past the slow-moving mass of climbers still ascending.

No one could move faster than the slowest person. The extra hours could spell the difference between life and death.

Your oxygen might run out. Altitude sickness might kill you. Frostbite could cost you your fingers, nose or ears.

I was acutely aware that I had no more right to be on Everest than anyone else – but I didn't always encounter the same respect from other climbers.

The mountain can have quite a selfish effect on people who become blinded by 'summit fever' – the obsession with reaching the top against all odds, despite the risk to health and life.

Brendan Bendar

LillySV wrote: »

Hope no rescue personnel lose their lives for these fools

Post of the thread ,so far.

gman2k

There is no rescue personnel....
Unless you mean a helicopter pilot who at the most would take someone on a ropeline from camp 2. (Sherpas from your own climbing team will help.as.much as they can if possible and if safe to do so) Anybody evacuated goes initially to Luakla and then onto Kathmandu via chopper.
The same applies to the locals too, I was previously choppered out after suffering AMS and there was mother's with sick babies going to hospital in Kathmandu.
Nepal is (or was anyway) in the bottom 30 poorest nations. There are areas of the country that require food drops. Tourists generally only see the "wealthy"areas.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Lillyfae wrote: »

Ego. Ego ego ego. I've met people like Shriya, and I don't like them. Think that they are capable of anything and that everything that they do is an achievement and better and more important than what everyone else does. This is ego and nothing else. How depressing dragging a dead, frozen solid body down a mountain?

At least she didn't have any dependents at home, still something that I can't for the life of me get over. If my oh announced that he would be doing something like this (or any of the risky endeavours he used to enjoy before becoming a father) I would be pursuing power of attorney and freezing any assets etc he has as insurance for our child's future. It's sociopathic behaviour to leave your young family like that. Read up on the state that John Delaney left his family in:

http://fortune.com/2013/10/10/the-mysterious-life-and-death-of-intrades-ceo/

It’s the cult of positive-thinking. “If I believe in myself, I can achieve anything!”, and to hell with proper preparation. It reminds me of the Fyre Festival fiasco. “There’s no problems, there’s no problems, be positive, BE POSITIVE!” as if that alone will solve everything.

TopOfTheHill

Dante7 wrote: »

I've just finished Fergus White's book about his ascent in 2010. Someone posted about it a few days ago and I bought the Kindle version for £1.99. Absolutely fantastic read. Thoroughly recommended.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B07763H6D7/ref=dbs_a_w_dp_b07763h6d7

Same here - no interest in climbing, and have found this thread to be an excellent one to follow over the last few days - saw the recommendation for the book and bought through Kindle.

Reading it at every chance I get - its an excellent read and would recommend anyone to read it.

Effects

Road-Hog wrote: »

I understand now.....geez never thought to view it that way.....thanks for pointing that out and enabling me see the light...!

No worries man. A lot people like you just don't get it.

Brendan Bendar

gman2k wrote: »

There is no rescue personnel....
Unless you mean a helicopter pilot who at the most would take someone on a ropeline from camp 2. (Sherpas from your own climbing team will help.as.much as they can if possible and if safe to do so) Anybody evacuated goes initially to Luakla and then onto Kathmandu via chopper.
The same applies to the locals too, I was previously choppered out after suffering AMS and there was mother's with sick babies going to hospital in Kathmandu.
Nepal is (or was anyway) in the bottom 30 poorest nations. There are areas of the country that require food drops. Tourists generally only see the "wealthy"areas.

Who paid for all that ‘choppering’as a matter of interest.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

TopOfTheHill wrote: »

Same here - no interest in climbing, and have found this thread to be an excellent one to follow over the last few days - saw the recommendation for the book and bought through Kindle.

Reading it at every chance I get - its an excellent read and would recommend anyone to read it.

The whole Everest thing is insanely fascinating. This past week has been the deepest rabbit hole I’ve ventured down on the topic but I’ve dabbled previously too.

I don’t know what it is. It just says so much about humans, the whole Everest thing. I read a thought-provoking reddit post whilst down the rabbit hole. It appears just to be a theory on the post writer’s part but I thought it was an interesting thing to consider:



I do reckon though that for all the people who summit or try to each year, there are probably way more people who consider climbing the mountain but sense prevails as they realise they don’t have the skills and that you need a significant chunk of time and money to do so. So the people that end up on the mountain are either experienced or ridiculously driven or both.

Brendan Bendar

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

The whole Everest thing is insanely fascinating. This past week has been the deepest rabbit hole I’ve ventured down on the topic but I’ve dabbled previously too.

I don’t know what it is. It just says so much about humans, the whole Everest thing. I read a thought-provoking reddit post whilst down the rabbit hole. It appears just to be a theory on the post writer’s part but I thought it was an interesting thing to consider:

Just shows, you get nutjobs in all walks of life.

I’d love to know who funds these dudes and who pays for the rescue effort or recovery effort.

Do they make any plans for bad outcomes and the financial implications.?

Or is it like the guy on the island ‘Aah sure we’ll work it out’?

Interesting……

B0jangles

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

The whole Everest thing is insanely fascinating. This past week has been the deepest rabbit hole I’ve ventured down on the topic but I’ve dabbled previously too.

I don’t know what it is. It just says so much about humans, the whole Everest thing. I read a thought-provoking reddit post whilst down the rabbit hole. It appears just to be a theory on the post writer’s part but I thought it was an interesting thing to consider:

It seems entirely plausible - a lot of fear is a learned reaction. If your life has seemed to be almost perfectly safe because you've always lived in a bubble, life outside the bubble will come as a very severe (and short) shock.


Look at how often it's been reported that some species in very remote places show little or no fear of humans, simply because they've never met any before.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Just shows, you get nutjobs in all walks of life.

I’d love to know who funds these dudes and who pays for the rescue effort or recovery effort.

Do they make any plans for bad outcomes and the financial implications.?

Or is it like the guy on the island ‘Aah sure we’ll work it out’?

Interesting……

That’s it. Like, there seems to be no plan for if things go wrong.

A few former summiteers said that you lose focus bigtime on the descent. Tiredness is a big part of it, natch, but also once the goal of summiting is achieved, people almost relax too much even though the summit is only the halfway point.

Brendan Bendar

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

That’s it. Like, there seems to be no plan for if things go wrong.

A few former summiteers said that you lose focus bigtime on the descent. Tiredness is a big part of it, natch, but also once the goal of summiting is achieved, people almost relax too much even though the summit is only the halfway point.

Yes,and you’d often wonder are these attention seekers whose training and experience is hardly sufficient for an Everest attempt.

Bit selfish in my opinion that’s if it’s true .

Hoboo

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

The whole Everest thing is insanely fascinating. This past week has been the deepest rabbit hole I’ve ventured down on the topic but I’ve dabbled previously too.

I don’t know what it is. It just says so much about humans, the whole Everest thing. I read a thought-provoking reddit post whilst down the rabbit hole. It appears just to be a theory on the post writer’s part but I thought it was an interesting thing to consider:



I do reckon though that for all the people who summit or try to each year, there are probably way more people who consider climbing the mountain but sense prevails as they realise they don’t have the skills and that you need a significant chunk of time and money to do so. So the people that end up on the mountain are either experienced or ridiculously driven or both.

Or they're complete ****ing retards. And no matter how driven or experienced you are, if you're going to stand for hours in an area known as the death zone, you're a retard.

Hoboo

Hoboo wrote: »

Or they're complete ****ing retards. And no matter how driven or experienced you are, if you're going to stand for hours in an area known as the death zone, you're a retard.

I prefer moron.

Grayson

Hoboo wrote: »

Or they're complete ****ing retards. And no matter how driven or experienced you are, if you're going to stand for hours in an area known as the death zone, you're a retard.

They're people who have probably spent years training and a small fortune in getting to where they are. Not to mention the physical effort of getting that close to the top.

The problem is that after all that time and money, to be told to turn back when you're a matter of hours from the top, because of a queue is hard.
Going ahead is not a smart decision. I'm certainly not defending that decision at all. I'm just pointing out that they have their reasons and although I don't think they are strong enough to risk that danger, they're also not entirely stupid.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Hoboo wrote: »

Or they're complete ****ing retards. And no matter how driven or experienced you are, if you're going to stand for hours in an area known as the death zone, you're a retard.

There are some ridges where it’s apparently hard to turn around. So you need to decide to turn back when not stuck in one of those. I think that’s where experience would show.

gman2k

Brendan Bendar wrote:

Who paid for all that ‘choppering’as a matter of interest.

Specialist insurance via the British Mountaineering Council.
There are different levels available, from trekking low levels, high altitude trekking, climbing and 8000m summit attempts.
Obviously I just had trekking, which gives £10m emergency & medical but just £100k for search and rescue.
Trekking companies will not let you come on board for Himalayan treks without proper insurance Insitu beforehand.
The first time I was in Nepal we came across a guy who was trekking solo, but had fallen and broken his leg badly. He had no insurance and no Nepalese person gave a single fcuk about him. He was literally trying to drag himself out of there, when he needed to be choppered out. People here have no idea of how remote these areas are. Literally 2 long days trekking to even get to the nearest road to Lukla!, 3 very long hard day's trek from EBC to Lukla.
Flying in and out of Lukla by Chopper is a memorable experience though!

Brendan Bendar

gman2k wrote: »

Specialist insurance via the British Mountaineering Council.
There are different levels available, from trekking low levels, high altitude trekking, climbing and 8000m summit attempts.
Obviously I just had trekking, which gives £10m emergency & medical but just £100k for search and rescue.
Trekking companies will not let you come on board for Himalayan treks without proper insurance Insitu beforehand.
The first time I was in Nepal we came across a guy who was trekking solo, but had fallen and broken his leg badly. He had no insurance and no Nepalese person gave a single fcuk about him. He was literally trying to drag himself out of there, when he needed to be choppered out. People here have no idea of how remote these areas are. Literally 2 long days trekking to even get to the nearest road to Lukla!, 3 very long hard day's trek from EBC to Lukla.
Flying in and out of Lukla by Chopper is a memorable experience though!

Excellent, appreciate you taking the time to explain that.

Thanks.

tuxy

gman2k wrote: »

People here have no idea of how remote these areas are. Literally 2 long days trekking to even get to the nearest road to Lukla!, 3 very long hard day's trek from EBC to Lukla.
Flying in and out of Lukla by Chopper is a memorable experience though!

Google gave a few lads 360 cameras you can now see the whole trek from Lukla to Gorak Shep on google maps. It's barely even a dirt track, very narrow.

Noveight

Anyone else seen the photos of people queuing up on the summit of Everest? Look up “Everest traffic 2019” or similar, I’m on the phone so can’t be bothered linking but it has been making headlines.

Crazy how accessible it seems to have become.

tuxy

Noveight wrote: »

Anyone else seen the photos of people queuing up on the summit of Everest? Look up “Everest traffic 2019” or similar, I’m on the phone so can’t be bothered linking but it has been making headlines.

Crazy how accessible it seems to have become.

Never heard of such thing, I don't believe you!

Ultimate Seduction

Another death today on the South Col. An American collapsed suddenly on the descent.

Alrigghtythen

Noveight wrote: »

Anyone else seen the photos of people queuing up on the summit of Everest? Look up “Everest traffic 2019” or similar, I’m on the phone so can’t be bothered linking but it has been making headlines.

Crazy how accessible it seems to have become.

There'd be no taxis there, what are they queuing for?

Noveight

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

There'd be no taxis there, what are they queuing for?

A few snaps for the ‘Gram, probably.

paw patrol

I never really cared for Everest but this thread with the 1st hand stories and linked posted has had me riveted for a few days.

IvoryTower

paw patrol wrote: »

I never really cared for Everest but this thread with the 1st hand stories and linked posted has had me riveted for a few days.

Same. I haven't read a book in years and I'm tempted by this

This video by national geographic is good. Same problems with queuing back in 2013 so it's nothing new

https://youtu.be/megSEXmV0nQ