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Healthy baby aborted at 15 weeks

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    #1352
    DavidLyons_
    Registered Users Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭DavidLyons_


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Can you correct your post its not a baby at 15 weeks.

    I don't get what the fuss was about?

    Good grief. Only a person who is either;

    a. Not a parent
    b. Incapable of being a parent
    c. Completely devoid of empathy
    d. Utterly lacking in humanity
    e. Sh1t stirring
    f. Naive to the point of stupid
    d. An absolute cnut

    Or any mixture or all of the above could allow their mind to work this way.

    And how do you think bereaved parents feel who’ve lost a child at 10, 12, 15 weeks?

    Absolute sh1tshow of a comment.


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    #1353
    Jenneke87
    Registered Users Posts: 807 ✭✭✭Jenneke87


    Something tells me Vibes didn't read the opening post, or anything posted in this thread..


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    #1354
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    Healthy baby / unhealthy baby... why does it matter?

    It's nobody else's business really. It's a private matter, and everyone should have the right to abort a pregnancy if they wish!

    It seems a lot of people think it's their right, to poke their nose into the affairs of other people around the issue of abortion. It's not your body or your baby... it's not a national issue. It's a private issue! ;)


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    #1355
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,415 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    “We did not take the steps to terminate lightly and we were not scared of the prospect of caring or loving a very sick child. We were told this was a fatal foetal abnormality,” the couple told RTÉ News on Thursday.

    In the current case, the couple terminated a pregnancy in the hospital after a CVS test (chorionic villus sampling) showed their baby had an abnormality known as trisomy 18, or Edwards Syndrome.
    A later, more comprehensive, test showed the baby was healthy, but these results arrived after the termination was carried out.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/woman-who-had-abortion-after-misleading-test-calls-for-an-inquiry-1.3916959


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    #1356
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,177 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    You wouldn't want to put too much faith in those tests though.


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    #1357
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    Healthy baby / unhealthy baby... why does it matter?

    It's nobody else's business really. It's a private matter, and everyone should have the right to abort a pregnancy if they wish!

    It seems a lot of people think it's their right, to poke their nose into the affairs of other people around the issue of abortion. It's not your body or your baby... it's not a national issue. It's a private issue! ;)

    Awwwww hope you have a grrrreat day :)


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    #1358
    cj maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,849 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    You wouldn't want to put too much faith in those tests though.

    Really? They went to the national MATERNITY hospital and had tests. One of many tests a woman has , if memory serves me right. What you are saying is don't put any faith in medical science.!
    Pure anti vaxer logic.
    It wasn't a decision by a pregnant woman to abort her foetus.Womans perogitive blah blah ( one which has been discussed and legislated for by repealing the 8th adenment) They were told their baby , and to the mother and father it was their baby, was going to die. Totally different issue.


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    #1359
    cj maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,849 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    Healthy baby / unhealthy baby... why does it matter?

    It's nobody else's business really. It's a private matter, and everyone should have the right to abort a pregnancy if they wish!

    It seems a lot of people think it's their right, to poke their nose into the affairs of other people around the issue of abortion. It's not your body or your baby... it's not a national issue. It's a private issue! ;)

    The issue isn't that the couple had an abortion. The issue is a misdiagnosis of FFS that lead to that decision. That is a national issue


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    #1360
    Day Lewin
    Registered Users Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    Healthy baby / unhealthy baby... why does it matter?

    It's nobody else's business really. It's a private matter, and everyone should have the right to abort a pregnancy if they wish!

    It seems a lot of people think it's their right, to poke their nose into the affairs of other people around the issue of abortion. It's not your body or your baby... it's not a national issue. It's a private issue! ;)


    This would be a useful line to remember if ever I should witness a domestic assault

    "Its not your wife and not your kitchen, so don't poke your nose in..."

    or a parent battering a child...
    "Its not your kid, not your house, not your webcam...mind your own business"

    We do have a right - even a duty - to object when there is a victim.
    For an abortion to be successful, the foetus must die - either by poison or surgery - so it may certainly be called a victim. Ergo, we may protest.


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    #1361
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    the people voted for abortion. the people got abortion.


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    #1362
    Crock Rock
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    54and56 wrote: »
    I have direct experience of a baby being born with Triosomy 13 over 20 years ago. It was badly deformed and lived for less than a month.

    It?? Are you serious?

    You mean he or she. A child is a human being, not an "it".


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    #1363
    Crock Rock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 616 ✭✭✭Crock Rock


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Like many others, this couple may well have just gone to England for a termination, adding further to their trauma through stigma and isolation.

    Child prostitution is common in some jurisdictions too, by the same logic should we legalise that here too to prevent the need for people travelling?


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    #1364
    the_syco
    Registered Users Posts: 37,299 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/woman-who-had-abortion-after-misleading-test-calls-for-an-inquiry-1.3916959
    A later, more comprehensive, test showed the baby was healthy, but these results arrived after the termination was carried out.
    From this it sounds like they didn't wait the two weeks.
    cjmc wrote: »
    The issue isn't that the couple had an abortion. The issue is a misdiagnosis of FFS that lead to that decision. That is a national issue
    A previous article (that I quoted another post) stated that the two day results may not be accurate, but the results after the two weeks is. Perhaps in future the doctors force everyone to wait the extra two weeks?


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    #1365
    volchitsa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,320 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    the_syco wrote: »
    From this it sounds like they didn't wait the two weeks.


    A previous article (that I quoted another post) stated that the two day results may not be accurate, but the results after the two weeks is. Perhaps in future the doctors force everyone to wait the extra two weeks?

    From what I remember being reported at the time, the couple's objection is not that the doctors should have forced them to wait, but that they themselves would have preferred to wait for the final results and were actively discouraged from doing so by the medical staff who said there was no point, that the results were unequivocal.

    If that is what happened, then it seems like yet another example of Irish doctors wanting to make the decisions. Perhaps their traditional objection to abortion rights was really against the "rights" part of it more than the "abortion" part?


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    #1366
    uptherebels
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    Crock Rock wrote: »
    Child prostitution is common in some jurisdictions too, by the same logic should we legalise that here too to prevent the need for people travelling?

    How is that the same logic?


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    #1367
    Antares35
    Registered Users Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    Healthy baby / unhealthy baby... why does it matter?

    It's nobody else's business really. It's a private matter, and everyone should have the right to abort a pregnancy if they wish!

    It seems a lot of people think it's their right, to poke their nose into the affairs of other people around the issue of abortion. It's not your body or your baby... it's not a national issue. It's a private issue! ;)

    I think the issue is that they actually did want their baby.


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    #1368
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    the people voted for abortion. the people got abortion.

    So everyone voted for abortion?


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    #1369
    Graces7
    Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Titclamp wrote: »
    So everyone voted for abortion?

    You beat me to it; "some" of the people voted for abortion.


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    #1370
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    Graces7 wrote: »
    You beat me to it; "some" of the people voted for abortion.

    I think over 30℅ of the people who voted went out of their way to go and vote on the day for no abortion


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    #1371
    Gael23
    Registered Users Posts: 12,100 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Someone ****ed up royally here. Of course each side is blaming the others and the pro lifers are out in force


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    #1372
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Someone ****ed up royally here. Of course each side is blaming the others and the pro lifers are out in force

    About 30℅ of them is it?


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    #1373
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,406 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Titclamp wrote: »
    About 30℅ of them is it?

    yes. the minority


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    #1374
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,399 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Titclamp wrote: »
    I think over 30℅ of the people who voted went out of their way to go and vote on the day for no abortion

    67%,,voted to repeal. 33% voted against.
    Not sure what you mean about "going out oftheir way" means. Looking for sympathy?


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    #1375
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    yes. the minority[/q

    Like an ethnic minority is it?


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    #1376
    Titclamp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    Igotadose wrote: »
    67%,,voted to repeal. 33% voted against.
    Not sure what you mean about "going out oftheir way" means. Looking for sympathy?

    Yes a sympathy vote it was.


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    #1377
    Plumbthedepths
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    Graces7 wrote: »
    You beat me to it; "some" of the people voted for abortion.

    The vote was to repeal the 8th, for or against abortion was not a choice on the ballot.


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    #1378
    volchitsa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,320 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Titclamp wrote: »
    I think over 30℅ of the people who voted went out of their way to go and vote on the day for no abortion

    Not quite true though: by their own admission, none of the anti abortion campaigners were interested in actually stopping Irish women from having abortions were they?

    (And please, don't bother pretending to believe that doing this would require Ireland interfering with British law - it didn't convince people at the time so it won't convince them now.)


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    #1379
    Salary Negotiator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭Salary Negotiator


    Titclamp wrote: »
    I think over 30℅ of the people who voted went out of their way to go and vote on the day for no abortion

    They actually voted for the status quo which included abortion in certain circumstances.

    Even the anti-choice crowd are pro-abortion at times.


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    #1380
    FutureGuy
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,237 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    Crock Rock wrote: »
    It?? Are you serious?

    You mean he or she. A child is a human being, not an "it".

    It says it all that you care more about the use of “it” rather than how poorly the actual baby was.


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    #1381
    Crock Rock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 616 ✭✭✭Crock Rock


    uptherebels wrote: »
    How is that the same logic?

    Both are equally abhorrent acts.


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