"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 6 "The Iron Throne" - Spoilers post 2 forw

namloc1980

The meeting to elect Bran as King is just moronic and makes a mockery of the entire series. 8 seasons of the game of thrones with political manoeuvring, scheming and bloodshed from all the protagonists fighting for the throne. And then in 5 minutes they decide the creepy lad in the wheelchair with the "best story" should be king, just like that. Just silly really.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/may/20/game-of-thrones-was-this-the-cheesiest-ending-in-tv-history

Paddy Cow

Mokuba wrote: »

One final thing that is really bugging me - why didn't Dany and Jon just get married. Why wouldn't either of them suggest that, or Tyrion after he learns the truth and still supports Dany? Tyrion was literally in a marriage of convenience! If he or Varys were still smart they would (Well I know why, it solves literally everything). Varys even mentions that Jon wouldn't be able to be with her because he wasn't comfortable with incest - Varys knows of tons of cases where two married people don't have sex?

Tyrion and Varys discussed it and they came to the same conclusion Jon did - it's completely icky to have sex with your Aunt. You could see that after Jon found out his real heritage, he was still in love with and attracted to Dany but he was just repulsed by the thought of having sex with his Aunt. Targaryens have being marrying brother and sister for years but like Varys said, Jon was raised in the North where that's a no no. Even if Jon could bring himself to do it, it would never have been accepted by the people.

The inbreeding is what lead to the Targaryen madness. The saying goes that when a Targaryen is born, it's the toss of a coin if their sane. GRRM took a lot of inspiration from real life for his books and in ancient Egypt they used to wed brother and sister which lead to a whole host of genetic problems. There was also the case of the mad King George who had blue blood because of genetics. In Westeros they had to deal with Joffrey who was a result of brother and sister.

I have a lot of gripes with this season but Jon deciding it's not a good idea to marry/have a sexual relationship with his Aunt, is not one of them. No good ever comes from inbreeding.

TerrorFirmer

martingriff wrote: »

I liked this episode bizarrely for me it worked for what we had.

As someone who generally disliked this season immensely, I have to agree, this was the best possible outcome given what we'd been offered previously.

As an ending to GOT, in respect of the entire franchise, and keeping in mind everything that was so carefully crafted in S1-6? 2/10.

As an ending given what we'd been offered in S8 thus far? 6/10.

Was expecting Dexter/Lost level catastrophic bad.

Not getting that is hardly a ringing endorsement but I genuinely thought it could've been a lot worse.

alchemist33

lawred2 wrote: »

When you think of scenes like the red wedding, hardhome or the mountain and the viper versus that childish stuff, it's like two different shows entirely.

Just watching Thronecast for the second time only, and they did a montage of the dead characters. It brought back such great memories of Ed, Joffrey, Tywin, Olenna, Ramsey, Margery (swoon) and reminded me of how fantastic it had been at times.

The characters, the shocks, the humour, it was all amazing. It ground to a halt in the end but I hope I don't forget the good times.

Nalz

no.8 wrote: »

Some amount of moans on here. It wasn't perfect but honestly what did you record expect... Everyone dead?

I felt the first third was rather strong, weaker middle but fitting ending for the Stark characters (specifically Jon).

Like the social media witch-hunts if today, its cool to criticize all that is GoT atm

You can't be serious? Look at what the show gave in its first 5 seasons? Even season 6 and 7 were streets ahead of this cheesy full of holes rushed rubbish?

There's always a small few that think they're cooler again by fooling themselves to believe it was ok.

Paddy Cow

namloc1980 wrote: »

The meeting to elect Bran as King is just moronic and makes a mockery of the entire series. 8 seasons of the game of thrones with political manoeuvring, scheming and bloodshed from all the protagonists fighting for the throne. And then in 5 minutes they decide the creepy lad in the wheelchair with the "best story" should be king, just like that. Just silly really.

OMG you just don't understand this was subverting our expectations!

I don't have a problem with Bran being the start of democracy, which in a way is what Dany wanted to do by breaking the wheel but it was done in such a silly way. All the Lords and Ladies are present and someone who is a prisoner brokers peace? :rolleyes: Tyrion has always had a way with words but this was just ridiculous in how easy he swayed them. Yara goes from one minute saying she follows Dany who offered her independence, to agreeing to a Stark she doesn't know ruling over her?

Dubh Geannain

Although it wasn't meant to be funny I'd to pause while laughing after Arya said to Jon

"I know a killer when I see one"

Just as well she pointed it out because Dany had been quare sneaky in her murderous ways

cd07

Paddy Cow wrote:

I have a lot of gripes with this season but Jon deciding it's not a good idea to marry/have a sexual relationship with his Aunt, is not one of them. No good ever comes from inbreeding.

To be fair tho if I had an aunt that looked as good ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜....well nuf said

garyscargo

In summary:
Imperial storm troopers. Darth Dany. Et tu Brute/Jon Snow? Dail in session. Dail still in session. Dail still in f***ing session. Let the lad in the wheelchair be king/MEP then as it would be rude not to. Whoa, stop giving away kingdoms so quickly, bud!  More Dail stuff, discussing the usual fare: money, building contracts and hookers. And send the guy who should be sitting in your spot to the Wall/Europe for good measure to keep him well out of the way (ya sly who-farted?-faced little hoor ya!). Big sister can play queen somewhere once she stays well out of my way/room too. And ninja sister can go...err......west? Yes, waaaaay west as...yeah, we have no idea either.

Meh, unfortunately

tony1980

velo.2010 wrote: »

Warp speed ravens

My Favorite line today

cd07

garyscargo wrote:

In summary: Imperial storm troopers. Darth Dany. Et tu Brute/Jon Snow? Dail in session. Dail still in session. Dail still in f***ing session. Let the lad in the wheelchair be king/MEP then as it would be rude not to. Whoa, stop giving away kingdoms so quickly, bud! More Dail stuff, discussing the usual fare: money, building contracts and hookers. And send the guy who should be sitting in your spot to the Wall/Europe for good measure to keep him well out of the way (ya sly who-farted?-faced little hoor ya!). Big sister can play queen somewhere once she stays well out of my way/room too. And ninja sister can go...err......west? Yes, waaaaay west as...yeah, we have no idea either.

garyscargo wrote:

In summary: Imperial storm troopers. Darth Dany. Et tu Brute/Jon Snow? Dail in session. Dail still in session. Dail still in f***ing session. Let the lad in the wheelchair be king/MEP then as it would be rude not to. Whoa, stop giving away kingdoms so quickly, bud! More Dail stuff, discussing the usual fare: money, building contracts and hookers. And send the guy who should be sitting in your spot to the Wall/Europe for good measure to keep him well out of the way (ya sly who-farted?-faced little hoor ya!). Big sister can play queen somewhere once she stays well out of my way/room too. And ninja sister can go...err......west? Yes, waaaaay west as...yeah, we have no idea either.

Sooo like Irish politics!! Not even funny as how similar it is...

Mousewar

Man, that dragon sure did have a great sense of poetic symbolism. "Argh, I'm so angry imma gonna burn this throne what everyone was fighting over."

Absolute horsesh1t of an episode and a series.

Twenty Grand

no.8 wrote: »

Some amount of moans on here. It wasn't perfect but honestly what did you record expect... Everyone dead?

I felt the first third was rather strong, weaker middle but fitting ending for the Stark characters (specifically Jon).

Like the social media witch-hunts if today, its cool to criticize all that is GoT atm

I can put up with bad writing and hammy acting, but I draw the line when the story is nonsense.

J. Marston

no.8 wrote: »

Some amount of moans on here. It wasn't perfect but honestly what did you record expect... Everyone dead?

I felt the first third was rather strong, weaker middle but fitting ending for the Stark characters (specifically Jon).

Like the social media witch-hunts if today, its cool to criticize all that is GoT atm

More or less?

Dany ruling Westeros with an iron fist due to her huge army and nuke, Drogon, would've felt more grounded in the GoT reality we're used to than the A Whole New World ending we got. The first 40 minutes did a wonderful job of setting that tone but as soon Dany died it all became a bit Disney.

Sardonicat

I've just finished watching. I'm actually fairly satisfied with the outcome but the manner of choosing Bran was just daft. The dialogue in this episode was just appalling! " There must be a better way!"

And who knew that dragons had opposable thumbs and the buildings of Kings Landing could regenerate?

Delighted to see Jon reunited with a battle worn Ghost and heading beyond the Wall with The Ginger Nut to, I presume, live a free life with the Wildlings.

The whole thing was just too rushed. There was a half a season shoe-horned into that episode.

Earleybird

That was ****ing appalling. The writers should have their arms cut off. In 60 minutes they completely ruined an entire show. Shocking.

brianregan09

My thoughts on the episode

Yakult

Normally, after years of emotional investment and when that TV show finishes, I feel an emptiness for a while. Almost a sadness. Not this time. Just not how I expected it to be presented.

Can't fault the filmimg crew etc. though. they've done amazing work. Some of the best visuals I've ever seen. If only they had a better story to bring to life.

J. Marston

Agree, the writers were the only ones to shít the bed.

Well, maybe the editors and continuity people as well this season!

Lor11

Have had a few hours to stew and am So conflicted with this finale.
We all knew it was ending and all major characters have an ending but I can't help feel deflated.
I feel they missed a trick with Bran. I think the writers missed the point of the three eyed raven, A truly mystical character capable of anything!
Yet no development of this since he left the wall, only to deny any titles bestowed on him now he's king of the 6 kingdoms? I really thought the ware tree he kept staring at would have some relevance in the story.
Daenerys had to go, it was getting very third Reich . Drogan destroying the iron throne instead of jon was brilliant as that was what truly killed her. I still can't understand how Jon survived the unsullied and dorthoki after he was captured, surely they would just killed him not wait for the great lords and ladies to decide.
Bran's "punishment" to Jon was a reward, there's no nights watch, Jon is free to live the life he always wanted. I thought when Jon didn't say goodbye to ghost was him not wanting to say goodbye to the North/Stark in himself so I was glad he got back there.

There is plenty issues that have already being pointed by other posters, like thormund and the wildlings being still at the wall. But for me the episode lacked the fantasy element, the magic was gone ..faceless men, lord of light, the prince that was promised.. what happened to all that??

It was grand. My expectations were on the ground so it's hard to be disappointed. I'm glad it's over. That episode felt far too long.

The Three-Eyed Raven is what, souls? and memories, created by the Children of the Forest, who hated man. Hated man so much they created the Night King. If Bran remembers all, I'm sure he has spent plenty of time seeing by whom he was created.

I can only enjoy this episode at all if I believe that the 3ER let all of this play out in the only timeline where he could take power. That includes Dany burning KL etc.

If GRRM intends to have Bran on the throne, I guess the book will flesh that out more. Bran is a way bigger character in the books.

delly

As some recall, I decided to hold out after E4 and watch E5 and E6 together. Well, I managed to stay clear of spoilers and have just watched both. I have to say I'm very satisfied. I expected a slow E5 to roll into an all action E6, but as it turns out it was the other way around. Either way I enjoyed the watch all coming together, the risk was worth it.

unkel

Why could it not have ended with a very dramatic confrontation between D and J, himself killing her and that was the end of it?

delly

unkel wrote: »

Why could it not have ended with a very dramatic confrontation between D and J, himself killing her and that was the end of it?

For closure on what happens next.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Earleybird wrote: »

That was ****ing appalling. The writers should have their arms cut off. In 60 minutes they completely ruined an entire show. Shocking.

Lol...

"Completely ruined"

Internet outrage never gets old.

The writing was ok, it was a decent ending but I agree with a lot of people on here that are saying that this episode was very rushed. The whole 6 episodes felt rushed but especially this one. Overall though, decent season, decent ending.

I don't know what people expect.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Mousewar wrote: »

Man, that dragon sure did have a great sense of poetic symbolism. "Argh, I'm so angry imma gonna burn this throne what everyone was fighting over."

Absolute horsesh1t of an episode and a series.

How unrealistic.

A dragon would never do that in real life.

Paddy Cow

delly wrote: »

As some recall, I decided to hold out after E4 and watch E5 and E6 together. Well, I managed to stay clear of spoilers and have just watched both. I have to say I'm very satisfied. I expected a slow E5 to roll into an all action E6, but as it turns out it was the other way around. Either way I enjoyed the watch all coming together, the risk was worth it.

I remember you posting that and people praying to the spoiler Gods that it wasn't ruined for you lol.

I was one of those who was up in arms about ep 4 but made peace with the new pace and direction of the show and I really enjoyed the final episode. It was a bit Disney-esq in how it tied up loose ends after Dany died about but it was always where the characters should've ended up. I'm happy with the ending and I don't think the Oracle GRRM will do any better, if he actually gets his arse in gear and writes any on the remaining books.

munster87

munster87 wrote: »

‘I know a killer when I see one’
Really, you spotted it after she killed almost the entire city!?

Yeah, that kind of foresight has to make Arya the Four-Eyed Raven or something. That was bad alright, but it wasn't even the worst line of that exchange between Arya and Jon for me. The first thing she said to him was a dirty lie...

Jon: "What are you doing here?"

Arya: "I came to kill Cersei, but your Queen beat me to it."

Eh no, that's not what happened at all. Arya could have proceeded with The Hound and met Cersei on those steps along with The Mountain, reaching Cersei before Dany, but Arya had an epiphany or something and abandoned her quest to kill Cersei.

So, why did she say that to Jon? If I was still in the mood for analysing themes and arcs in the show, I might suggest that's a call back to the very first episode of the show where Arya is trying to impress her big brother Jon in the Winterfell courtyard. Now in KL's courtyard in the finale, she is attempting the same and is too proud to admit to Jon that she got scared or had a change of heart about killing Cersei.

However, I feel that's giving the show too much credit. "I came to kill Cersei but your queen beat me to it"...Arya said that because it's all the scene required to move the action on towards Jon/Dany's climax. 'Damn...Jon will be surprised to see Arya in KL, we need something brief and edgy to enlighten Jon on a decision Arya made 2 episodes ago without taking much time out of this episode. We need this scene to hype Jon v Dany and her Stormtroopers' UnSullied, rather than Jon and Arya have a discussion which a brother and sister would actually have while reuniting in the aftermath of Westeros' worst massacre.'

There's nothing from Arya to follow the change she apparently had in the last episode, abandoning her list, nothing about all the killing she had seen over the years, all the killing she had done, nothing about her wiping out the 8,000 year old threat of the Whitewalkers. Nothing about her not wanting to end up bitter and vengeful for the rest of her life just like the parting scene with The Hound implied, no conclusion from that or the PTSD she was clearly suffering in the last episode's events which happened just 5 minutes ago in the show's timeline. Nope, Arya don't play like that anymore, she's a stone-cold killing machine (except when we need to get her out of a suicide mission with The Hound, then she's a scared girl for 10 minutes) and all she does now is say cool, direct shít like "You talk about killing my brother again and I'll slit your throat"..."What's west of Westeros?...Exactly!"..."I know a killer when I see one."

She finishes the series as a cross between Christopher Columbus and that mate who's 'sick of dis shíthole and de gubbermint' and fúcks off to Australia for a year. Disappointing.

tony1980

Hunky Monster wrote: »

How unrealistic.

A dragon would never do that in real life.

In the first season, it was mentioned that the breath of the greatest dragon forged the throne and in the last episode, this one destroyed it.

tony1980

tony1980 wrote: »

In the first season, it was mentioned that the breath of the greatest dragon forged the throne and in the last episode, this one destroyed it.

Foreshadowing!!!!

el Fenomeno

Was there any explanation as to why/where Bran warged to when the Night King was in front of him?

Stop moaning ffs

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Was there any explanation as to why/where Bran warged to when the Night King was in front of him?

I’m pretty sure he didn’t warg at all in that moment? He did look down at the night kings stomach apparently. Where Arya stuck him shortly after

ERG89

walshb wrote: »

Is it just me or is this Kit Harrington lad one desperately bland actor?

Tbf the actors of a few other prominent characters on the show can't act either & the ones that can have been killed off or in recent seasons tended to phone it in like they are doing Hamlet one time too many.

I just thought of another thing had it been Rhaegal & not Drogon who spared Jon for killing Danaerys it would have made a teeny bit more sense aa they had a prior relationship. But a dragon empathising with Jon to the point of destroying the iron throne that his mother figure desired to the point of committing mass genocide of an entire city - by dragon fire I might add makes about as much sense as the rest of the season.
I'm not going to think about this season anymore when I do I just think of things that made no sense. The first few episodes of this season were utterly meaningless & then everything got messy fast and rushed over at the end like doing a college assignment in the last 48 hours. They got an extra year to produce this season, you'd be forgiven for thinking it was half the time & not twice the time

el Fenomeno

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

I’m pretty sure he didn’t warg at all in that moment? He did look down at the night kings stomach apparently. Where Arya stuck him shortly after

He warged at some point in the forest though, that's what I mean. Maybe not the exact moment the NK stood in front of him.

osarusan

Lucky Tyrion and Bran had that offscreen and seemingly inconsequential and forgotten talk before the Battle of Winterfell.

Stop moaning ffs

el Fenomeno wrote: »

He warged at some point in the forest though, that's what I mean. Maybe not the exact moment the NK stood in front of him.

Oh yeah. He wargs when Theon is protecting him.
It cuts to the ravens then.
I’ve read it’s to taunt the night king and draw him in. It’s part of their plan to get him to the godswood. NK can sense him when he’s warging I believe.

ThunbergsAreGo

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

el Fenomeno wrote: »

He warged at some point in the forest though, that's what I mean. Maybe not the exact moment the NK stood in front of him.

Oh yeah. He wargs when Theon is protecting him.
It cuts to the ravens then.
I’ve read it’s to taunt the night king and draw him in. It’s part of their plan to get him to the godswood. NK can sense him when he’s warging I believe.

Which was all part of three eyed ravens plan to end up on the Iron Throne.

This plan also involved having knowledge of an upcoming genocide and doing nothing and allowing the slaughter of many many people along the way

All so three eyed Bran could sit on the Throne, destroy mankind and usher in a new era dominated by the children of the forest.

Chaos is a Ladder

Stop moaning ffs

That’s a reach
I don’t think Bran is able to see the future. And I don’t think it’s all a cunning plan for him to get the throne.
That’s kind of silly.

*chaos is a wheelchair accessible ramp

evil_seed

Now the dust has settled on my watching, I'm satisfied. I do think all the right notes were played, although I think they might have been played too fast and maybe in the wrong order.

Lor11

So Bran was made King because he is the ultimate story teller, who knows all, yet Grand Maester whatever his name is and Sam write the complete history of events after King Roberts death?? Made no sense.
Also how the hell did Davos and the North men make it out of KL alive after Jon killed Dany?

ThunbergsAreGo

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

That’s a reach
I don’t think Bran is able to see the future. And I don’t think it’s all a cunning plan for him to get the throne.
That’s kind of silly.

*chaos is a wheelchair accessible ramp

Of course it is

Just like a lad who has done nothing but sit down for years becomes king.

Or a guy who has failed at almost everything becoming grand maester

Or a hand who has utterly failed at bring a hand multiple times getting another chance

Or all the other lords not asking for independence

To be honest a shot of Bran with the NK eyes would have turned this episode around for me! Classic B Movie Hollywood

el Fenomeno

I'd also fiercely, fiercely debate Tyrion's "who has a better story than Bran?" argument.

ThunbergsAreGo

el Fenomeno wrote: »

I'd also fiercely, fiercely debate Tyrion's "who has a better story than Bran?" argument.

Everyone?

Brock Turnpike

I guess the pictures of Kit Harrington crying at the end of the final read through make sense now. He knew how badly they'd ****ed it.

PhuckHugh

It's a shame they didnt show the scene where drogon gently carried off Dany's body and brought it to Greyworm and told them what Jon did ..... or was it a case of Jon telling Greyworm and then Greyworn scolding Jon for being bold and locking him up to reflect on his actions?

All in all, pitiful stuff.

Will we get an 8 season spin off of Arya, aka 'Dora the explora' , spinning off around the globe getting up to all kinds of skullduggery ?

Cina

I thought it was pretty excellent up until Drogon melted the throne, ad the shot of him spreading his winds behind Dany was fantastic, but every subsequent scene after that was absolutely AWFUL.*

*Apart from Jon petting Ghost, cause he's a good boi.

SteM

osarusan wrote: »

The third was just a horrible horrible scene. The small council meeting, the bit after Bran leaves and the desperately bad banter commences, with good-natured squabbles over spending and Tyrion reminiscing about how he once brought a donkey and a honeycomb to a brothel. That one line suggests that rather than making an earnest effort to do things right and redeem himself, Tyrion is going to revert to his previous self as a glib purveyor of witty stories. I cannot imagine how the writers thought their audience would want to see that scene.

I might be wrong but that is at least the 3rd time that he's tried to tell that joke during the series. He never gets to tell the punchline (or we never get to hear it), so I guess that's just a callback to previous episodes that the writers put in there. Not a big deal imo, plenty of other things bugged me more than this.

NuMarvel

Lor11 wrote: »

So Bran was made King because he is the ultimate story teller, who knows all, yet Grand Maester whatever his name is and Sam write the complete history of events after King Roberts death?? Made no sense.
Also how the hell did Davos and the North men make it out of KL alive after Jon killed Dany?

The Unsullied and the Dothraki kind of forgot about Davos and the Northern Army.