"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 6 "The Iron Throne" - Spoilers post 2 forw

Penn

PressRun wrote: »

The dragons actions would require it to understand metaphorical thinking, which is just ridiculous even if they are supposed to be intelligent animals.

I agree in a sense, but it's also been shown that there is something of a psychic link between Dany and Drogon. Not warging, but I remember in particular when the Sons of the Harpys were attacking Dany in the fighting pits and Dany et al were surrounded, Dany closed her eyes for a few seconds, and all of a sudden Drogon could be heard in the distance and flew in to save her. We also had Drogon looking very happy (as much as a dragon can) when Dany and Jon flew to the waterfall outside Winterfell and started getting it on.

I'm sure there may have been other such occasions. I just think it's possible Drogon knew what the throne was and what it represented to Dany through their connection (and how it was fighting so hard for it which ultimately led to her death) rather than understanding the idea behind a throne in a metaphorical sense.

Time to unfollow these threads. Goodbye game of thrones. It's been a sad few weeks for you.

J. Marston

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Time to unfollow these threads. Goodbye game of thrones. It's been a sad few weeks for you.

Not sticking around for season 9: Dany's Revenge?

Drogon drops her off at Kinvara over in Essos for some red priestess resurrection.

Loafing Oaf

J. Marston wrote: »

Not sticking around for season 9: Dany's Revenge?

Drogon drops her off at Kinvara over in Essos

Well there is a Scariff in the Star Wars universe...

namloc1980

J. Marston wrote: »

Not sticking around for season 9: Dany's Revenge?

Drogon drops her off at Kinvara over in Essos for some red priestess resurrection.

Can't wait to see how the natives of the Isle of Naath react when Greyworm and the Unsullied arrive.

Yermande

namloc1980 wrote: »

Can't wait to see how the natives of the Isle of Naath react when Greyworm and the Unsullied arrive.

Can't wait to see the disappointment on the faces of the local pimps when they realise exactly who they are.

Loafing Oaf

namloc1980 wrote: »

Can't wait to see how the natives of the Isle of Naath react when Greyworm and the Unsullied arrive.

Was it explained why exactly they are going there? So the bould Torgo can find himself another Miss Andy?

And while I'm at it, why was Tyrion messing with the chairs?

facehugger99

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Was it explained why exactly they are going there? So the bould Torgo can find himself another Miss Andy?

And while I'm at it, why was Tyrion messing with the chairs?

Because of his comedy-OCD which was never mentioned before.

Tazzimus

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Was it explained why exactly they are going there? So the bould Torgo can find himself another Miss Andy?

And while I'm at it, why was Tyrion messing with the chairs?

Presume it's so Greyworm can protect Miss Sundays's people, seeing as they're a peaceful bunch of folks.
He said as much to her at some stage I think.

Loafing Oaf

facehugger99 wrote: »

Because of his comedy-OCD which was never mentioned before.

And the punchline being they got messed up again when the other council members had to pull them out and sit down? Excuse me while I dash off to Casualty to get my sides stitched.

Midnight_EG

Arya went West
Drogon went East
Jon went North
The writing went South
:pac:

Foxtrol

PressRun wrote: »

The dragons actions would require it to understand metaphorical thinking, which is just ridiculous even if they are supposed to be intelligent animals.

Funny quote I saw on twitter on this:

This is quite possibly the smartest dragon in the world, as it inherently understood that it was the corrupting power of the Iron Throne that led to Dany’s downfall, and not Jon Snow.

Or it’s the stupidest dragon in the world, as it saw a knife in Dany and assumed it was the evil chair made of knives who stabbed her, and then had its revenge. TAKE THAT, KNIFEY CHAIR. MY QUEEN, YOU HAVE BEEN AVENGED.

I think it was more the dragon version of being livid at someone and turning and punching a wall rather than them.

martyos121

The chair scene was a throwback to season 3 when Tyrion came in drunk to a small council meeting and dragged the chair along the ground, and Tywin gave him a look similar to the one Tyrion gave in the finale

Doesn't make it any funnier or more interesting of course, just provides a reason for it. It still had little impact on most viewers anyway.

Relikk

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Was it explained why exactly they are going there? So the bould Torgo can find himself another Miss Andy?

Presumably he's heading there to carry on Daenerys' legacy and liberate it because it's full of slavers, as Missandei was a slave herself. Remember her only possession that Daenerys gave Grey Worm in one of the last episodes, the slave collar, that he threw in the fire?

lawlolawl

namloc1980 wrote: »

Can't wait to see how the natives of the Isle of Naath react when Greyworm and the Unsullied arrive.

From the books:


A large species of butterfly on Naath is a carrier for a horrific disease that makes the flesh literally slough off of a man's bones, but the Naathi themselves are immune to it. For centuries, would-be foreign invaders would end up succumbing to the "butterfly fever", and the Naathi say none maintained a presence on the island for more than a single year. It also deterred slavers for generations. However, slavers eventually realized that if they only stayed on the island for a few hours in quick raids and then departed with captives, they would not contract the disease - and better still if they attacked only at night, because the butterflies are only active during the daylight hours. Naath has still technically never been "conquered" by outside forces due to fear of staying too long and catching the butterfly fever, but otherwise the island's society has been severely damaged by frequent slaver raids.

Greyworm and the lads might want to reconsider their trip.

dsmythy

namloc1980 wrote: »

Can't wait to see how the natives of the Isle of Naath react when Greyworm and the Unsullied arrive.

Nothing a few butterflies won't sort out

gargargar

I think the reason a lot of people are annoyed is due to the fact that the standard of the story was very high but it eventually tailed of into Hollywood territory. Most of the 'good' guys made it out alive, which probably would not have happened in the way the story was being told when based on the books.

Also, for me, I just don't see the anointing of Bran as king. He was a useless b*stard most of the time. I would imagine that the people will not have heard of Bran's story, but certainly Jon Snow's story would be known throughout the kingdoms. The man has fought many battles, he avenged the death of the innocents of KL. So for me it would have made sense for him to be the reluctant king.

All in all it is a great series which never bored me but was a little let down by it's ending.

OneOfThem Stumbled

gargargar wrote: »

I think the reason a lot of people are annoyed is due to the fact that the standard of the story was very high but it eventually tailed of into Hollywood territory. Most of the 'good' guys made it out alive, which probably would not have happened in the way the story was being told when based on the books.

Also, for me, I just don't see the anointing of Bran as king. He was a useless b*stard most of the time. I would imagine that the people will not have heard of Bran's story, but certainly Jon Snow's story would be known throughout the kingdoms. The man has fought many battles, he avenged the death of the innocents of KL. So for me it would have made sense for him to be the reluctant king.

All in all it is a great series which never bored me but was a little let down by it's ending.

Tyrion declared that nobody has a better story than Bran (though Bran was absent for the entirety of season 5)

What about someone who died and was literally brought back to life by a fire god? How is this not talked about more?

The kingdom kind of forgot that Jon was resurrected.

Sam: Hey Jon, didn't you swear a vow to the Night's watch that you would shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children, wear no crowns and win no glory? Didn't you kind of do all of that (except the children bit)?
Jon: Until death
Sam: Huh?
Jon: The pledge ends upon death. Which has not happened for you, Sam Tarly, father of children, possessor of title, holder of glory. You are an oath breaker, and deserter, but nobody actually cares about oaths or laws after season 4.

lawlolawl

OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »

Tyrion declared that nobody has a better story than Bran (though Bran was absent for the entirety of season 5)

What about someone who died and was literally brought back to life by a fire god? How is this not talked about more?

The kingdom kind of forgot that Jon was resurrected.

Sam: Hey Jon, didn't you swear a vow to the Night's watch that you would shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children, wear no crowns and win no glory? Don't you kind of do all of that (except the children bit)?
Jon: Until death
Sam: Huh?
Jon: The pledge ends upon death. Which has not happened for you, Sam Tarly, father of children, possessor of title, holder of glory. You are an oath breaker, and deserter, but nobody actually cares about oaths or laws after season 4.

Tyrion himself had a much better story than Bran.


Bran got carried around by some people and then got turned autistic by a tree.

claiva

lawlolawl wrote: »

Tyrion himself had a much better story than Bran.


Bran got carried around by some people and then got turned autistic by a tree.

I literally just snorted

_Kaiser_

Let's all take a moment for a musical interlude..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpTZ-tC81yA

:P

Loafing Oaf

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Let's all take a moment for a musical interlude..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpTZ-tC81yA

:P

And while we're in this general area, I reckon this should be Arya's own anthem:

I had seven faces
Thought I knew which one to wear
I'm sick of spending these lonely nights
Training myself not to care

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GRNCNZ_TL4

lawlolawl

LionelNashe

Here’s my take on Drogon flaming the chair:

He was hocking up a big throat-full of flame to drop on Jon’s head but he didn’t do it because the Targs and the dragons have a connection. He then flamed the wall to the left of the throne, and the throne itself, to clear a runway for takeoff, because he needs a bit of a running start and there wouldn’t have been space otherwise.

Stop moaning ffs

OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »

Tyrion declared that nobody has a better story than Bran (though Bran was absent for the entirety of season 5)

What about someone who died and was literally brought back to life by a fire god? How is this not talked about more?

The kingdom kind of forgot that Jon was resurrected.

Sam: Hey Jon, didn't you swear a vow to the Night's watch that you would shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children, wear no crowns and win no glory? Didn't you kind of do all of that (except the children bit)?
Jon: Until death
Sam: Huh?
Jon: The pledge ends upon death. Which has not happened for you, Sam Tarly, father of children, possessor of title, holder of glory. You are an oath breaker, and deserter, but nobody actually cares about oaths or laws after season 4.

I keep seeing this and wondering how it was missed. But I’m pretty sure Tyrion meant Bran has the best story because he has *everyones* stories.

He’s the living embodiment of all living history and people and kings all gone. it’s mistakes and victories all there from the past.

He’s exactly the right person to be king given all that knowledge

dsmythy

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

I keep seeing this and wondering how it was missed. But I’m pretty sure Tyrion meant Bran has the best story because he has *everyones* stories.

He’s the living embodiment of all living history and people and kings all gone. it’s mistakes and victories all there from the past.

He’s exactly the right person to be king given all that knowledge

Maybe. Although he's already made his own mistake allowing the North to breakaway so maybe he's nothing special. Not sure who would be defending his reign if a Lord with a half decent army made a play either.

Stop moaning ffs

dsmythy wrote: »

Maybe. Although he's already made his own mistake allowing the North to breakaway so maybe he's nothing special. Not sure who would be defending his reign if a Lord with a half decent army made a play either.

Well he. An see everywhere in real time.
Loads in fact I don’t know how many but loads of the noble houses have been wiped out and the kingdoms need to be rebuilt and restored.
No better man.

Unless the surviving houses get greedy and power hungry but that was usually a Lannister thing and there wiped out.

Who gets their castle? Who was minding the tarlys? Sam didn’t go home and claim lordship. Democracy and life will just trundle along on those cases.

pah

Annabella Obnoxious Bayou wrote: »

Wow, so much butthurt in this thread. Like somebody took their last rolo or their rice crispies were soggier than usual this morning. It's like an echo chamber. Is it hip to hate the show now?

There's a lot of people who are not capable of formulating their own opinions and go with whatever reddit says. At least provide an alternative instead of just whinging and crying about it. It's perfectly fine to dislike something, but this thread is a train wreck of copied opinions. Dexter is comparable to GOT? Not even close, they are not even remotely similar.

People are not able to see past the opinions which they are told to have on reddit, facebook, twitter etc.

There's also a subsection of people who like to generally accuse others of butthurt but offer nothing else themselves

LionelNashe

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm confused to why people think Bran planned all this. I thought he could see everything in the past, not the future? He couldn't have known for sure that Dany would destory King's Landing.

I agree. His ability to see is not perfect yet. At some point in S7 or S8 he said "I have to get better at seeing".

martingriff

I was looking at comments on YouTube from reaction video (yes I know mostly a cessout) one was great

Bran: knows everything does nothing.
Jon: knows nothing does everything