No point in trying to better yourself is there ?

Hobosan

Don't worry, fresh supplies of Kool-Ai... money! Fresh supplies of money are inbound.

TuringBot47

klaaaz wrote: »

That means nothing when having a job means a person cannot afford rent/mortgage, childcare, health insurance, the "privilege" of running a car or heaven forbid a private pension.

If the majority are housed, then it does mean something, that they can afford rent/mortgage.

Childcare... depends on whether both are working or not.
Private Health insurance is a luxury and optional.
Car... no rights to have a car, and since most of the focus of this thread is on Dublin, I work with plenty of people well able to afford a car but don't need one. Again, optional luxury.
Pension... you can start a pension later in life.

So the majority are housed and fed.
They just don't get everything they "want".

klaaaz wrote: »

Nice description of johnmck, perhaps he should work harder to be principal!

It wasn't directed at the OP.
Although a lot of people who say they would be better off not working don't appreciate wage inflation, experience, promotion etc in the mid to long term.

Although for the OP, it sounded like he didn't even grow up in Dublin, so it was a choice to go to the most expensive part of the country.

Edgware

10000maniacs wrote: »

I think
"ethe OP is more entitled to a house in Dublin than a lot of people who get one for free.

"entitled" Isn't that the problem.
In any case getting the "free" house means living where you are put by the council and putting up with dirtbirds

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Yeah, it’s completely unfair, OP. A gainfully employed person such as yourself should be able to find good accommodation within reasonably commutable distance from work. I agree with those who say you should go on a wee adventure if you’re single. Why not?

And it’s okay to offload about feeling down. Better than keeping it all inside, building up.

Edgware

Leroy42 wrote: »

But where do you draw the line? Working 9 months a year isn't breaking your back. So one could easily say that since they get such holidays then any houses should first go to those that work full time.

The OP has a good education, has plenty of spare time. He has plenty of opportunities.

Agreed. Proper use of the lengthy holidays could really increase earnings. There are plenty ways of doing it and still have a good two week break before going back to school

Ray Palmer

10000maniacs wrote: »

That's what 50 years of unapologetic liberalism has done to us.
Our "cannot be assed" workshy set have better lifestyles than a lot of the people who break their back earning an honest crust. They play the system. Drop a half a dozen sprogs, fight tooth and nail for every drop of taxpayers money they can wangle and happy days. Free accommodation and a fat salary with benefits.

The fact 1 in 5 single parents are living below the poverty line would suggest the lifestyle choice you think is great isn't so great.
If you are relying on state aid to live you are not living in any great standard of living.

What is the alternative as we tried locking people up before for being poor or getting pregnant?

johnmck

Leroy42 wrote: »

It is not about being more grateful, it is looking at what you can do rather than what you can't.

You are clearly intelligent, have plenty of motivation and have got this far. There are plenty of options open to you, but they require that you make decisions.

You have chosen a profession that will always be stifled in terms of what you can earn (in terms of the core job), but it comes with significant other benefits, such as the holidays. Are these benefits worth it, or do you value other things more?

But many of the 'problems' you claim are not really that big problems. I fully understand your frustration. You can move to a nicer house, but that would require a bigger commute. Well, yeah, that is the same for everyone. I would like a better car, but that would involve having less money so I choose not to.

The point being that you are still very much in control. Not might sound like it right now, but put together a plan, based on what is important to you, and work on that.

If there is no way to get a nice place to live within reasonable commuting distance in Dublin as a teacher, maybe look at moving down the country or taking up a different profession. Simply giving up and expecting that somebody somewhere will sort it all out for you is, unlikely, to happen.

That is not to say that I don't share your frustrations, but would you really want to live on the dole? No hope, no future, nothing to pass on?

I'm definitely not giving up. Never have and never will. I've got a few business ideas on the boil at the moment.
Why don't those who don't work be forced to move out of the city. And.those that do take up their social housing and pay rent on it! Same difference , no !

Tikki Wang Wang

People need to get up off their holes and off the dole and just work hard!

johnmck

Leroy42 wrote: »

So OP has a good job, that they like, have had their education subsidised throughout but because they haven't achieved everything they want they want to simply give up? You now have a permanent job, which unlike most people you can almost never lose it, and will only ever have pay increases. Pension is sorted.

How about looking at a different profession, one that earns more money? Or starting your own business? Doing grinds, or something?

What about starting up a summer school with the huge holidays you get every year. Or using that time to take classes in investments etc.

You say your a teacher, and I would say I feel sorry for the children you teach. A bit of a struggle and you, despite having so many advantages that many people would kill for, instead want to feel sorry for yourself.

Hours of commuting? Really, you finish at 4 every day. And off for most of the summer. Whatever 'hardships' you feel you will face is as nothing compared to what many others deal with.

I finish teaching at 4, that doesn't mean I finish working at 4. Some nights I dont finish working some nights until 10pm , with marking , prepping etc. You've not worked in education, so you wouldn't know the additional work that goes on outside the classroom

klaaaz

johnmck wrote: »

Why don't those who don't work be forced to move out of the city. And.those that do take up their social housing and pay rent on it! Same difference , no !

Oh we have a snobby teacher(alleged!). For all your moaning about poor people living in flats in the city centre, if they were moved out tomorrow you would still not live in their flats as living in sub standard accommodation is beneath you.

johnmck

klaaaz wrote: »

Oh we have a snobby teacher(alleged!). For all your moaning about poor people living in flats in the city centre, if they were moved out tomorrow you would still not live in their flats as living in sub standard accommodation is beneath you.

I'm sure their accommodation is better than the current kip I live in!

johnmck

klaaaz wrote: »

Oh we have a snobby teacher(alleged!). For all your moaning about poor people living in flats in the city centre, if they were moved out tomorrow you would still not live in their flats as living in sub standard accommodation is beneath you.

Yep, I'm a snob, a hard working middle class snob, thanks

Muahahaha

johnmck wrote: »

I already worked for years in the country, got screwed around, never got a permanent post. Feel I'm too old for going abroad to teach English, plus over qualified for that. I'm almost 40. Be fine if I was in my 20s

Even at almost 40 I would still consider teaching out there for 3/4 years and save up what you need for a house. Ireland is definitely not a place to be right now if you are not a homeowner and single in your 40s. Go abroad, worth hard for a few years and hope in the meantime property prices here drop somewhat and come back and buy something for cash or a small mortgage.

Also as a permanent teacher doesn't that allow you to take a career break for up to 5 years and still come back to your job? Sounds perfect for working abroad for a few years and then coming back.

Hobosan

Labour productivity is 6x higher than in the 80's, yet wages have hardly increased.

Entitlement has also increased drastically. People seem to think that working 6 times more productively will benefit them somehow! What a bunch of entitled morons!

TuringBot47

Hobosan wrote: »

Labour productivity is 6x higher than in the 80's, yet wages have hardly increased.

What are you basing that on?
What's the definition of "labour productivity" ?

If it's number of staff divided by company profits, then Ireland attracted a lot of multinationals especially in the financial/I.T. sector. So they'll be more profitable than some manual labour food processing plant in the agri-business of the 80's.
And they are paying good wages.

johnmck

johnmck wrote: »

I already worked for years in the country, got screwed around, never got a permanent post. Feel I'm too old for going abroad to teach English, plus over qualified for that. I'm almost 40. Be fine if I was in my 20s

You don't just have to teach English. My sister is out in the Middle East teaching, she is almost certainly less qualified than you but she has a proper teaching job, gets paid the 12 months of the year and can come home in the summer, payrises and loyalty bonus every year, no income tax. There's a lot to be said for it.

klaaaz

johnmck wrote: »

I'm sure their accommodation is better than the current kip I live in!

Not better, either equal or worse.

johnmck wrote: »

Yep, I'm a snob, a hard working middle class snob, thanks

Thanks for honesty. As for the moaning, what have you done with your massive teacher's salary in that you cannot put a deposit down on a house/apartment? Spent it all I bet instead of saving! Personal responsibility is lost on you.

Akrasia

shack up with that sexy geography teacher. 2 salaries = mortgage

ToddyDoody

Tikki Wang Wang wrote: »

People need to get up off their holes and off the dole and just work hard!

Useless.

johnmck

Akrasia wrote: »

shack up with that sexy geography teacher. 2 salaries = mortgage

I know one alright, doesn't own her own house haha

johnmck

klaaaz wrote: »

Not better, either equal or worse.



Thanks for honesty. As for the moaning, what have you done with your massive teacher's salary in that you cannot put a deposit down on a house/apartment? Spent it all I bet instead of saving! Personal responsibility is lost on you.

Yeah I spend it all on drugs and hookers, I'm really debauched (sarcasm)

I spend on paying extra towards a carer for my elderly father

BarryD2

touts wrote: »

As the OP said their permanent job is in Dublin. It isn't that easy to transfer. And the same goes for a lot of people working in Programming and Finance etc. In those cases the jobs don't exist outside Dublin but the houses don't exist inside Dublin.

Anyway why should working people be the ones forced to live 2 hours from their place of work. One other solution would be to provide social housing outside the city rather than commuter houses. It would be cheaper for the government and would break up the gettos of multi-generational welfare class estates that have developed in the big cities. Someone can watch Jermery Kyle repeats in their Pajamas just as easily from a 100k bungalow in Leitrim as from a 400k semi-d in Dundrum.

Yeah, but we all have to live in the real world and it ain't perfect. No real point in giving out about the shortage of housing in Dublin. Unless you're prepared to put on the work boots and DIY, it's not solving the issue for you. On other hand, there's plenty of housing at reasonable enough prices in 'rural' Ireland.

johnmck

Akrasia wrote: »

shack up with that sexy geography teacher. 2 salaries = mortgage

You seem to know one haha

sbsquarepants

johnmck wrote: »

I know one alright, doesn't own her own house haha

A divorcee is what you're after - she'll be well set up after fleecing the last poor fúcker, and probably mad for it too.

They're like shooting fish in a barrel, compliment here, cheeky wink there next thing you know you're the lord of the manner. Dinner, regular sexy time and most importantly.....a roof.;)

cgcsb

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Fine if they have no morals but claiming others don't so it is ok is a stretch. It also puts a huge question mark over their moral outrage about what happens in Ireland.

As for politicians looking after themselves and friends prove it! Legislation has been punative on landlords for years. No change to the protections of landlords for no payment and additional charges and restrictions. They haven't made it easier to evict non paying tenants and mortgage holders.
Housing is a mess because of listening to the public. When the ERSI warned of the impending housing shortage the public laughed and claimed it was just a ploy to help out the builder mates of politicians. Guess what it wasn't and resulted in us not building properties. The banks warned about taking out 100% mortgages and public cried out that they wanted them.
It is very simple to blame the government but ignoring what the public did and wanted is just willful ignorance.

I think it is gas the way people go on about landlords screaming it in from HAP. A payment so popular with landlords they changed the laws to make it illegal to refuse. Landlords don't want it and it means being underpaid on true rent values.

Landlords benefit from HAP indirectly, all of them, because HAP artificially inflates the market. People pay rent they couldn't otherwise pay.
The government also helps land lords by categorically refusing to build social housing.
The government also, up until recently, helped landlords by using the planning system to effectively ban buildings of 5 storeys or more (making apartment schemes uneconomic). The same planning laws also stipulated that new apartments had to be luxury units with dual aspect and underground parking.

StudentDad

Christ that's depressing! Can't afford property on my own .... mmmm .... Oh look, she's not bad looking, decent job etc.

I can just see the website now ... shackupandpaythemortgage.ie

SD

MrMusician18

johnmck wrote: »

I'm a teacher working in Dublin. Worked all my life from the age of 15. Re-educated myself to become a teacher. Took me years to get a full time post.
Very happy with my job now, after a bit of struggling to secure a permement post. I love helping students achieve their goals.
I've had to move several times in the past 2 years due to landlords and crazy co-habitants. I've handed in my tenancy notice in the latest rodent / bug invested kip I'm living in Dublin. Technically at the end if the month I'm homeless. Luckily I can move my stuff back to the home house, where my elderly father still lives. But I can't stay there. Some friends have offered to put me up for the summer. Im lucky in that sense. My cousin has offered me cheap rent on his cottage down the country. But it's a 2.5 hour commute to Dublin. What the hell do I do come September? Rent another room in a house with complete strangers. I can't afford a place of my own. Or risk my life from tiredness of falling asleep behind the wheel commuting !
Sometimes I feel I'd be better off having not tried to better myself, developed some sort of disorder or health condition, or had 5 kids and got myself on the local authority housing list and have been a social welfare lifer.
Don't seem to be able to get on with my life for having to tried to be a better person. I'm not expecting sympathy, just that people see the unfair society we are living in. Guessing I'll might get a few haters for this , but it's my truth.

I'd say with the two months you have off during the summer you should be able to find somewhere to live relatively close to where you work.

grounderfill

I'm going to put myself out on a limb here by saying the current government are sh*te.
Fine Gael are so detached from what is actually goung on on the ground it just amazes.

A government spending over 2 billion on a children's hospital in a location which is already bursting at the seems and were given a free opt out to allow a cheaper build and save funds for housing or the likes.
The arrogance of Fine Gael stinks.

A Broadband plan where the investor puts in 200 million and the government put in 2 billion and own nothing after the project is complete. (...and by the way we know that Denis O'Brien is an investor in this project. Need we say any more in case of libelous)
The government are just bulldozing through without listening that these are bad deals and the money saved could be redirected accordingly.
The arrogance of Fine Gael stinks.

Fine Fail sitting idly by also stinks...

PHG

No idea what you teach but grinds is easy money. Get 4 or 5 a week and will easily pay your rent for somewhere nicer.

Realised most Math's teachers (or any teacher) I had were pretty average at best bar 2. When doing a degree in Math's I advertised as such and used to do the grinds to pay for University. Got 30 an hour from it (used to stay about 75 mins though) in 2009, 2010, 2011 in Limerick so must be more in Dublin.

I could never be a teacher (wouldn't have the patience) but I just don't buy the working until 10pm most nights and tbf it is unlkely you teach 9am to 4pm every day. I do respect that you would have to deal with a lot of issues from students over and above lessons! You likely are some times working that late but so people in other profession. Not having a dig, my accountant mate does more hours than anyone and paid peanuts in comparison to the hours they do.

Good luck on the other ideas though, hopefully they work out.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

johnmck wrote: »

My permanent post is in Dublin. I would have to go back to square one if I leave it! No guarantee I'd get a post outside of Dublin. It's all about who you know where I'm from! At least I got my post in Dublin on my merit

As somebody who originally hails from a small country town, this is depressingly true.

BattleCorp

grounderfill wrote: »

I'm going to put myself out on a limb here by saying the current government are sh*te.
Fine Gael are so detached from what is actually goung on on the ground it just amazes.

A government spending over 2 billion on a children's hospital in a location which is already bursting at the seems and were given a free opt out to allow a cheaper build and save funds for housing or the likes.
The arrogance of Fine Gael stinks.

A Broadband plan where the investor puts in 200 million and the government put in 2 billion and own nothing after the project is complete. (...and by the way we know that Denis O'Brien is an investor in this project. Need we say any more in case of libelous)
The government are just bulldozing through without listening that these are bad deals and the money saved could be redirected accordingly.
The arrogance of Fine Gael stinks.

Fine Fail sitting idly by also stinks...

It's not just this Government that are sh1te. You may go back a good few years to find a good one. It's been years since the State built council houses, at least in any decent numbers. Not since I was a nipper. And now as they say 'the chickens are coming home to roost'.

Ray Palmer

cgcsb wrote: »

Landlords benefit from HAP indirectly, all of them, because HAP artificially inflates the market. People pay rent they couldn't otherwise pay.
The government also helps land lords by categorically refusing to build social housing.
The government also, up until recently, helped landlords by using the planning system to effectively ban buildings of 5 storeys or more (making apartment schemes uneconomic). The same planning laws also stipulated that new apartments had to be luxury units with dual aspect and underground parking.

Nonsense, HAP is way below the rent prices. It artificially deflated values due to RPZ and eviction laws.
They dont build social housing as the once did due to government guidelines. They should never be able to create ghettos like they did in the past they we are still dealing with decades later.
Planning laws are determined by councils and planning authorities not the government. You can argue that is the government but it is not anything close to a organised multi party restriction by the government. SF on these councils restricting building point to the government are very disingenuous and you fall for it.
I suggest you look up costs for building high rise building because they aren't cheaper.
You do not need dual aspect and underground parking for apartment blocks.
You are grasping at straws that require a huge amount of organisation that the government have never shown.
Do you really think what you said proves conspiracy? You also ignored all the punative actions against landlords, why don't they prove the opposite? They are direct at landlords where your claims are supposition of why they failed to do things you think would solve the problem. You see you have to make up a narrative of why they are doing things that you think help landlords as opposed to direct action taken.
My relative let the ball slip on a place she is renting. €1500 a month for a 3 bed place in Dublin city centre,another place is up for €3300 in the same block. Due to RPZ she can only put up rent 4% every 2 years. Work out how many years it would take to catch up. That is punative measure for keeping rent cheap. You claim the government is doing landlords favours. On what planet is that a favour?

The_Brood

BarryD2 wrote: »

touts wrote: »

As the OP said their permanent job is in Dublin. It isn't that easy to transfer. And the same goes for a lot of people working in Programming and Finance etc. In those cases the jobs don't exist outside Dublin but the houses don't exist inside Dublin.

Anyway why should working people be the ones forced to live 2 hours from their place of work. One other solution would be to provide social housing outside the city rather than commuter houses. It would be cheaper for the government and would break up the gettos of multi-generational welfare class estates that have developed in the big cities. Someone can watch Jermery Kyle repeats in their Pajamas just as easily from a 100k bungalow in Leitrim as from a 400k semi-d in Dundrum.

Yeah, but we all have to live in the real world and it ain't perfect. No real point in giving out about the shortage of housing in Dublin. Unless you're prepared to put on the work boots and DIY, it's not solving the issue for you. On other hand, there's plenty of housing at reasonable enough prices in 'rural' Ireland.

This is terrible advice yet all too common here. First of all that pretty much means giving up on Dublin as an unlivable kip. Second of all, not everyone has a car. Ireland is already at the breaking point of traffic and vehicles, you want more and more people to be forced into driving? Third of all, not even semi rural Ireland has anything close to reasonable prices.

It is a crisis upon crisis that pretty much all the jobs are in Dublin, yet it is becoming increasingly impossible to live anywhere near Dublin.

BattleCorp

Ray Palmer wrote: »

They should never be able to create ghettos like they did in the past they we are still dealing with decades later.

Can you not see that council house estates are the way out of this problem?

That's what caused this problem, we didn't build any council houses. For decades pretty much.

Hobosan

TuringBot47 wrote: »

What are you basing that on?
What's the definition of "labour productivity" ?

If it's number of staff divided by company profits, then Ireland attracted a lot of multinationals especially in the financial/I.T. sector. So they'll be more profitable than some manual labour food processing plant in the agri-business of the 80's.
And they are paying good wages.

Haven't a clue how these figures are reached. But a cursory glance at graphs of every 1st World Country shows 5 to 7 fold increases in productivity over the last few decades.

It's either a very elaborate lie that various graphs show US, Japan, UK, Ireland, etc have identical productivity increases over the last few decades, or else it is true that productivity is way up.

Thelonious Monk

I just cycled past some lovely gafs I never noticed before around portobello right on the canal that had a couple of wans in pyjamas smoking outside. I see the same around Lombard st and the quay there every morning. These would probably fetch up to 1 million if they weren’t social houses. I’m not a snob, I bought in a social housing area in the suburbs when prices were still reasonable, there have already been 2 shootings this year and a bomb outside someone’s gaf around the corner, lol. When you hear the plight of essential services like teachers in this situation and then you see social houses in town for basically free it’s just absolutely ridiculous. A Chinese style solution would be to knock down social in city centre and replace with high rise for workers and affordable housing but meanwhile we should be slowly moving people out of there and stopping this entitlement to live with a Liffey view because your ma carry on. I’m lucky in that I have a place, and life isn’t fair, but some of the city centre prime area social gafs are like having a Central Park view in Manhattan and no matter what way I look at it it just isn’t fair. I’d give my left nut to have a place in city centre as a single man instead of living in boring family suburbia!

Blaizes

BarryD2 wrote: »

Yeah, but we all have to live in the real world and it ain't perfect. No real point in giving out about the shortage of housing in Dublin. Unless you're prepared to put on the work boots and DIY, it's not solving the issue for you. On other hand, there's plenty of housing at reasonable enough prices in 'rural' Ireland.

There isn't though, I posted a while back on another thread about a couple I know both working who couldn't find a place to live.Thirty, forty people in a queue to view one house in a town in rural Ireland I couldn't believe it There was a Daft report in the news recently just around three thousand places to rent in the whole country.

Plumbthedepths

johnmck wrote:

I'm definitely not giving up. Never have and never will. I've got a few business ideas on the boil at the moment. Why don't those who don't work be forced to move out of the city. And.those that do take up their social housing and pay rent on it! Same difference , no !

Forced resettlement? Prefer not see this country engage in that type of nasty practice tbh. You all for ghettoes as well?

Hobosan

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Forced resettlement? Prefer not see this country engage in that type of nasty practice tbh. You all for ghettoes as well?

Better to gently encourage people to leave the country if they decide they'd like to work and live in a house.

As is tradition.

Thelonious Monk

Why is it that any Irish government just wont get behind high rise? Is it just Nimbyism? When are we going to stand up to that bullsh*t and actually get things done?

chicorytip

johnmck wrote:

I'm a teacher working in Dublin. Worked all my life from the age of 15. Re-educated myself to become a teacher. Took me years to get a full time post. Very happy with my job now, after a bit of struggling to secure a permement post. I love helping students achieve their goals. I've had to move several times in the past 2 years due to landlords and crazy co-habitants. I've handed in my tenancy notice in the latest rodent / bug invested kip I'm living in Dublin. Technically at the end if the month I'm homeless. Luckily I can move my stuff back to the home house, where my elderly father still lives. But I can't stay there. Some friends have offered to put me up for the summer. Im lucky in that sense. My cousin has offered me cheap rent on his cottage down the country. But it's a 2.5 hour commute to Dublin. What the hell do I do come September? Rent another room in a house with complete strangers. I can't afford a place of my own. Or risk my life from tiredness of falling asleep behind the wheel commuting ! Sometimes I feel I'd be better off having not tried to better myself, developed some sort of disorder or health condition, or had 5 kids and got myself on the local authority housing list and have been a social welfare lifer. Don't seem to be able to get on with my life for having to tried to be a better person. I'm not expecting sympathy, just that people see the unfair society we are living in. Guessing I'll might get a few haters for this , but it's my truth.

I think you have little to complain about with your permanent, pensionable position. What do you mean when you say you can't afford accomodation? What do you spend your income on? Look for a house share if you can't find somewhere on your own and stop repeating this ill informed blather branding all social welfare recipients as work shy scroungers defrauding the state.

Plumbthedepths

Hobosan wrote:

Better to gently encourage people to leave the country if they decide they'd like to work and live in a house.

All my family live here, work and the majority own their own homes. They just don't expect to live within walking distance of their place of employment. I commute everyday and have done for 15 years.

Blaizes

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

All my family live here, work and the majority own their own homes. They just don't expect to live within walking distance of their place of employment. I commute everyday and have done for 15 years.

Op never said anything about living within walking distance of his work, he just wants a decent place to live, hardly an unreasonable demand.

Hobosan

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

All my family live here, work and the majority own their own homes. They just don't expect to live within walking distance of their place of employment. I commute everyday and have done for 15 years.

I'm just having laugh. We're landing probes on asteroids and using the large hadron collider, yet we just can't seem to master the art of providing homes.

It's a funny situation!

BattleCorp

Blaizes wrote: »

Op never said anything about living within walking distance of his work, he just wants a decent place to live, hardly an unreasonable demand.

And most of the advice has been to either house share or move further out of the capital and commute.

The OP has a good job, so it shouldn't be too difficult to put a roof over his head.

johnmck

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Forced resettlement? Prefer not see this country engage in that type of nasty practice tbh. You all for ghettoes as well?

You're not looking at both sides of the same coin!

Blaizes

Hobosan wrote: »

I'm just having laugh. We're landing probes on asteroids and using the large hadron collider, yet we just can't seem to master the art of providing homes.

It's a funny situation!

Crazy really, they can't even get the basics right! Pity the next generation too.

johnmck

chicorytip wrote: »

I think you have little to complain about with your permanent, pensionable position. What do you mean when you say you can't afford accomodation? What do you spend your income on? Look for a house share if you can't find somewhere on your own and stop repeating this ill informed blather branding all social welfare recipients as work shy scroungers defrauding the state.

If they're not work shy , then what are they ? Tell us all, please

BattleCorp

We could always vote this wan in. She'd get things done. Seize control of the construction companies and Nationalise them and get them building houses.

She'll also ban evictions so yippeeeee, I won't have to pay my mortgage.

I think I love her.

Ray Palmer

BattleCorp wrote: »

Ray Palmer wrote: »

They should never be able to create ghettos like they did in the past they we are still dealing with decades later.

Can you not see that council house estates are the way out of this problem?

That's what caused this problem, we didn't build any council houses. For decades pretty much.

Well that went over your head. The council estates are ghettos. What caused the worst areas in the country were/are council estates. You will be pushed to find any area built by the councils that are consider even vaguely nice.

They should never create a dumping ground for people reliant on the state ever again. We are still dealing with the mistakes made in the past 50 years later.