Gemma O'Doherty and her unicorns

Martina1991

Seanachai wrote:

That's fair enough, I don't like the thought of any prayers from any faith being said over my food.

How do you know that none of the young ones working in Lidl or Tesco arent saying the Our Father over your mince or sausages.

Nonsense.

recedite

King Mob wrote: »

Speaking of...
Going to go back and address that bit where you claimed articles and people said stuff they didn't?
Bit dishonest to do that, then promptly ignore when people point out that you did that.

What's your point here?
Are you trying to say there was no campaign against Kelloggs paying for Halal certification in Australia? (even though the Muslim guy there said there was)


Or are you trying to say that public tastes and pressure have no effect on the commercial decisions of a company like Kelloggs?
Because that is simply nonsense. And I realise you have focused in on this one quote from a company spokesperson...

“This was a commercial decision, not the result of any public pressure or backlash.”

But that is marketing speak. They would say that, wouldn't they.
Come on now, I don't think you are so thick as to believe every single thing a marketing executive says.


A commercial decision in such a situation comes down to the basic equation; "if we do X, will it increase our sales, or will it decrease our sales".
Halal certification, or no Halal certification. That is the question. Maybe it seemed like a good idea at first.
Its a commercial decision for Brennans, just like it was for Kelloggs. The decision is based on the perceived market demand.

AndrewJRenko

Seanachai wrote: »

I haven't set foot inside a church in years, I can understand somebody with Christian, Hindu or another faith not wanting Muslim prayers said over their food though.

Seanachai wrote: »

That's fair enough, I don't like the thought of any prayers from any faith being said over my food.

How would the prayers affect you or your food?

King Mob

recedite wrote: »

Or are you trying to say that public tastes and pressure have no effect on the commercial decisions of a company like Kelloggs?
Because that is simply nonsense. And I realise you have focused in on this one quote from a company spokesperson...

First things first,
You said that Kelloggs did not deny that public pressure played a role.
Could you please explain why you claimed this in spite of what the article said?
Did you not realise that the article said this?

Could you also now confirm that when Kellogg said:
“This was a commercial decision, not the result of any public pressure or backlash.”
They are in fact lying?

Could you also address why you claimed to be quoting "the muslim" guy when nothing like what you said he said appears in either of the articles you posted.

You are asking a lot of questions before addressing the points you have dodged.
It's very very dishonest of you, and makes you a bit of a hypocrite to be whinging about honesty.

recedite

King Mob wrote: »

First things first,
You said that Kelloggs did not deny that public pressure played a role.
Could you please explain why you claimed this in spite of what the article said?
Did you not realise that the article said this?

Could you also now confirm that when Kellogg said:
“This was a commercial decision, not the result of any public pressure or backlash.”
They are in fact lying?

You can call it lying.

I called it marketing speak.
I believe marketing executives like to call it "bluff and bluster" or use terms like "damage limitation measures".

King Mob wrote: »

Could you also address why you claimed to be quoting "the muslim" guy when nothing like what you said he said appears in either of the articles you posted. It's very very dishonest of you, and makes you a bit of a hypocrite to be whinging about honesty.

Here's the post where I made that claim, and linked to the relevant article.
Anyone can read that post, check the link, and see whether I quoted from the link accurately.
It then becomes obvious which of us is being dishonest here.

Sonic_exyouth

recedite wrote: »

Similarly I have stopped buying Brennans bread, but I will resume when/if they stop paying money to the Islamic Foundation of Ireland.
*I don't have to know what that foundation is spending the money on.*
I just know they are not getting my money.

Have you made any effort to find out?

Its a registered charity with the Charities regulator, meaning it is subject to regular audit.

https://www.charitiesregulator.ie/en/information-for-the-public/search-the-charities-register/charity-detail?srchstr=Islamic%20Foundation%20of%20Ireland&regid=20012809

It's Activities are listed as

• Promotion of community
• Promotion of support to charities sector
• Religious activities

Beneficiaries

• Adult training
• Asylum seekers/refugees
• Community services
• Ethnic minorities
• Ex-offenders and prisoners
• Family services
• Health promotion
• Homeless services
• Humanitarian relief services
• Integration of those who are disadvantaged into society
• Mental health support
• Overseas aid
• Volunteers

Blueshoe

Sonic_exyouth wrote: »

Have you made any effort to find out?

Its a registered charity with the Charities regulator, meaning it is subject to regular audit.

https://www.charitiesregulator.ie/en/information-for-the-public/search-the-charities-register/charity-detail?srchstr=Islamic%20Foundation%20of%20Ireland&regid=20012809

It's Activities are listed as

• Promotion of community
• Promotion of support to charities sector
• Religious activities

Beneficiaries

• Adult training
• Asylum seekers/refugees
• Community services
• Ethnic minorities
• Ex-offenders and prisoners
• Family services
• Health promotion
• Homeless services
• Humanitarian relief services
• Integration of those who are disadvantaged into society
• Mental health support
• Overseas aid
• Volunteers

Promotion of the spread of Islam in Ireland. No thanks.

It's not in my interests. Il spend my money elsewhere.

Blueshoe

Sonic_exyouth wrote: »

"bend over backwards" = Putting a small little symbol on a piece of food packaging to try increase sales.

The symbol is an indication that the method of butchering the animal was changed to suit Islamic culture and beliefs

No thanks. Manufacturers won't roll out placing the symbol on their products as they know sales will decrease.

The Nal

Blueshoe wrote: »

No thanks. Manufacturers won't roll out placing the symbol on their products as they know sales will decrease.

Quite literally the exact opposite

Makeup, meds and sports wear: Why halal has become big business

Halal, a growing regulated market and a great business opportunity

Food and drink manufacturers ‘have no plans’ to ditch halal certification

Etc etc.

2.2 million Muslims in the world in 30 years. Anyone not concerned with Halal certification is a moron.

Are you concerned about Halal certification?

Blueshoe

The Nal wrote: »

Quite literally the exact opposite

Makeup, meds and sports wear: Why halal has become big business

https://www.foreigner.fi/articulo/business/halal-growing-regulated-market-and-great-business-opportunity/20190109153131001071.html

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/nov/11/food-and-drink-manufacturers-have-no-plans-to-ditch-halal-certification

Etc etc.

The guardian? Pull the other one
The link above it tells us how many Muslims there are and will be and halal is great business for them. That's obvious isn't it. Unless you are accepting that everywhere will eventually have huge Muslim populations which would make Halal the obvious choice.

The Nal

Blueshoe wrote: »

The guardian? Pull the other one
The link above it tells us how many Muslims there are and will be and halal is great business for them. That's obvious isn't it. Unless you are accepting that everywhere will eventually have huge Muslim populations which would make Halal the obvious choice.

Well it wasn't ten minutes ago when you posted "Manufacturers won't roll out placing the symbol on their products as they know sales will decrease" despite the actual facts, the evidence, the proof, showing the exact opposite.

Blueshoe

The Nal wrote: »

Well it wasn't ten minutes ago when you posted "Manufacturers won't roll out placing the symbol on their products as they know sales will decrease" despite the actual facts, the evidence, the proof, showing the exact opposite.

Very small Muslim population in Ireland. At least you are finally accepting that this will eventually change and the percentage will rise drastically. In this case Halal certification makes sense

Sonic_exyouth

Blueshoe wrote: »

The symbol is an indication that the method of butchering the animal was changed to suit Islamic culture and beliefs

No thanks. Manufacturers won't roll out placing the symbol on their products as they know sales will decrease.

How many animals do you think were killed to make your batch loaf ?!

banie01

Seanachai wrote: »

I'm not going to try and convince you of something you have no experience of, except to say that anybody that truly adheres to the scientific method would have an agnostic position on the subject. It isn't 'settled-science' as they say.

Surely if magic words worked, proof would be as simple as DNA testing the Eucharist wafer post communion?

Waffle about agnosticism when discussing the effect words may have on the imbibing of bread be it Catholic or Halal...
Is wanton nonsense.

Sonic_exyouth

Blueshoe wrote: »

The guardian? Pull the other one
The link above it tells us how many Muslims there are and will be and halal is great business for them. That's obvious isn't it. Unless you are accepting that everywhere will eventually have huge Muslim populations which would make Halal the obvious choice.

Its also about the growing export market.

As a small open economy, we are very reliant on exports, and alternatives to the UK to diversify customer bases to prevent Brexit shock are actively being saught in many industries.

Blueshoe

Sonic_exyouth wrote: »

How many animals do you think were killed to make your batch loaf ?!

43

Blueshoe

Sonic_exyouth wrote: »

Its also about the growing export market.

As a small open economy, we are very reliant on exports, and alternatives to the UK to diversify customer bases to prevent Brexit shock are actively being saught in many industries.

Let's talk about Ireland

Annasopra

Who knew the conspiracy theories provided so much comedy.

circadian

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Who knew the conspiracy theories provided so much comedy.

I can't tell what's for real and what's satire any more.

Timberrrrrrrr

Blueshoe wrote: »

Why are we entertaining them doing it then? Why not tell them to take their fairy tales elsewhere.

Because some people want to bend over backwards to accommodate them. Sad

The same reason we entertain catholics when the want to hold candle lit vigils in public places (outside the dail, GPO, etc). Should they be told to take their fairytales elsewhere as well?

Or should we let them because "some people want to bend over backwards to accommodate them"?

Blueshoe

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The same reason we entertain catholics when the want to hold candle lit vigils in public places (outside the dail, GPO, etc). Should they be told to take their fairytales elsewhere as well?

Or should we let them because "some people want to bend over backwards to accommodate them"?

Massive percentage of the population are Catholic. At least on paper anyway. Especially the older generation

It's not like for like.

You don't have to attend if not Catholic. You have a choice
Having my food prepared according to Islamic beliefs is not a choice I would make.

Do I have a choice?

The Nal

Shouldn't be eating Brennans bread anyway. Or any processed food.

recedite

The Nal wrote: »

Quite literally the exact opposite

Makeup, meds and sports wear: Why halal has become big business

Halal, a growing regulated market and a great business opportunity

Food and drink manufacturers ‘have no plans’ to ditch halal certification

Etc etc.

2.2 million Muslims in the world in 30 years. Anyone not concerned with Halal certification is a moron.

Are you concerned about Halal certification?

Anyone not concerned about Islamic takeover in western society is a moron.

recedite

The Nal wrote: »

Well it wasn't ten minutes ago when you posted "Manufacturers won't roll out placing the symbol on their products as they know sales will decrease" despite the actual facts, the evidence, the proof, showing the exact opposite.

Lets see Brennan's openly put the Halal symbol on their bread then.
Let the market decide. All we want to see here is a bit of honesty.

Blueshoe

recedite wrote: »

Lets see Brennan's openly put the Halal symbol on their bread then.
Let the market decide. All we want to see here is a bit of honesty.

Exactly. That's all we ask. Transparency.

If manufacturers want to go this route then so be it. But if they hide it then something is very wrong .

Other people feel we shouldn't have a choice. Sad

circadian

recedite wrote: »

Anyone not concerned about Islamic takeover in western society is a moron.

Anyone convinced of an Islamic takeover of western society is a moron.

Timberrrrrrrr

recedite wrote: »

Anyone concerned about Islamic takeover in western society is a moron.

Fixed that for you;)

Blueshoe

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Fixed that for you;)

You never answered my question. You ignored it.

The Nal

circadian wrote: »

Anyone convinced of an Islamic takeover of western society is a moron.

lol

Yeah huge amounts running for political office isn't there? Huge amount running large corporations.

Theres been a slight increase in Muslims running for political office based on the fact that they're hated so much and they want a voice.

Im no fan of religion but the anti Muslim thing is the easiest way to get thickos to follow you. Trump, Hopkins, Gemtrails etc. Line 1 in the playbook.

Its so easy to sell an ideology to morons and to profit from it.

Gemma is tears laughing at her followers as her bank balance increases. Must be saying "how are people so stupid, this is so easy".

She even provides you with the link so you don't have to type "youtube" yourself. The thickos need to be spoon fed.

Like, well, like sheep.

Blueshoe

The Nal wrote: »

lol

Yeah huge amounts running for political office isn't there? Huge amount running large corporations.

Theres been a slight increase in Muslims running for political office based on the fact that they're hated so much and they want a voice.

Im no fan of religion but the anti Muslim thing is the easiest way to get thickos to follow you. Trump, Hopkins, Gemtrails etc. Line 1 in the playbook.

Its so easy to sell an ideology to morons and to profit from it.

Gemma is tears laughing at her followers as her bank balance increases. Must be saying "how are people so stupid, this is so easy".

She even provides you with the link so you don't have to type "youtube" yourself. The thickos need to be spoon fed.

Like, well, like sheep.

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