Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

Plumbthedepths

thequarefellow wrote:

Unbelievable.

So were the other two that were investigated.

thequarefellow

The electorate often don't appear to hold politicians accountable. So I suppose why should they do so themselves. There's very little accountability in Irish public office.

knipex

Deleted User wrote: »

From above:


Wow. I never saw that, even if it's from 2015. How did Butler explain the, eh, "discrepancy"?

If I am reading the story correctly the money wasn't being claimed by him but by a festival committee. As chair of the committee he signed the letter.

The money wasn't for him..

I could be wrong..

pinkyeye

boombang wrote: »

For those who think this thread is no longer relevant

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fg-grassroots-call-for-publication-of-report-into-bailey-compensation-claim-1.3942215?mode=amp

I don't believe for ONE second that Leo hasn't read this report yet.

thequarefellow

pinkyeye wrote: »

I don't believe for ONE second that Leo hasn't read this report yet.

“What I say on this, and I’ve said it before, is it’s never been the practice for a political party carrying out an internal investigation – it’s not a public inquiry, not funded by public money, it’s an internal investigation being carried out by the party.” Varadkar
He set up this inquiry because of public pressure. To imply that it should not be made available to the public is insulting.

James Brown

Bailey is small fry compared to Noonan's inappropriate behaviour as regards Project Eagle and the meeting up north, but both are very much in the public interest. We need know what caliber of chancer we are electing and how much disregard they have for the tax paying public.

Potential-Monke

Gas thing is, he's saying it's an internal investigation not funded by the tax payer, yet FG get state funding, according to this Irish Times article from 2018 regarding state funding and FG: 'It recorded total income of €6.2 million for the year, of which State funding made up almost €4.7 million.'

So we are paying for it Leo, publish the findings. Or, you know, use your political position for personal gain again maybe. Stevie Wonder is playing in a week, and Post Malone after that. Wonder if he's as interested in them as Kylie.

McMurphy

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Gas thing is, he's saying it's an internal investigation not funded by the tax payer, yet FG get state funding, according to this Irish Times article from 2018 regarding state funding and FG: 'It recorded total income of €6.2 million for the year, of which State funding made up almost €4.7 million.'

So we are paying for it Leo, publish the findings. Or, you know, use your political position for personal gain again maybe. Stevie Wonder is playing in a week, and Post Malone after that. Wonder if he's as interested in them as Kylie.

Had to Google him, yep, not as young and hip as I once was. :mad:

WishUWereHere

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Another crooked f**k.....FG are making FF look like angels

Which is a sad state of affairs. BOTH deserve to be tossed in the bin

Snow Garden

thequarefellow wrote: »

This guy was voted back in at local elections recently.
https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article6966681.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/08Hugh-McElvaney.jpg

Unbelievable.

Can I ask how this former Fine Gael councillor didn't go to prison? Surely he was breaking the law?

banie01

Potential-Monke wrote: »

So we are paying for it Leo, publish the findings. Or, you know, use your political position for personal gain again maybe. Stevie Wonder is playing in a week, and Post Malone after that. Wonder if he's as interested in them as Kylie.

Whatever about Post Malone being down with kids and the political outrage...
Stevie Wonder will never see the point

I'll get me coat now...:P

Auguste Comte

Snow Garden wrote: »

Can I ask how this former Fine Gael councillor didn't go to prison? Surely he was breaking the law?

That sort of thing is only for the little people.

Boggles

pinkyeye wrote: »

I don't believe for ONE second that Leo hasn't read this report yet.

Fine Gael don't let reports gather dust on a shelf.

Oh actually they do, that's exactly what they do.

Jupiter Mulligan

thequarefellow wrote: »

This guy was voted back in at local elections recently.
https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article6966681.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/08Hugh-McElvaney.jpg

Unbelievable.

Evidently his ethical standard mirrors that of his voters. And that applies to every sleazebag who gets elected.

I can remember Betie Ahern getting the highest number of first preferences in Ireland - at a time when it was glaringly evident that he had the ethical standards of the sewer - but this didn't trouble his voters at all.

McMurphy

Boggles wrote: »

Fine Gael don't let reports gather dust on a shelf.

Oh actually they do, that's exactly what they do.

Anyone that believes that A: the report hasn't been finalised, and B: Leo hasn't seen it, must surely believe in fairies and unicorns too.

Further, it's safe to assume that Bailey (and possibly Madigan) has been shown to be caught with their knickers down, otherwise Leo would have been showing the report in every media outlet available to him.

McMurphy

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

Evidently his ethical standard mirrors that of his voters. And that applies to every sleazebag who gets elected.

I can remember Betie Ahern getting the highest number of first preferences in Ireland - at a time when it was glaringly evident that he had the ethical standards of the sewer - but this didn't trouble his voters at all.

Are you calling FG voters sleazebags?

ohnonotgmail

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Are you calling FG voters sleazebags?

I'm pretty sure they called everybody who votes for sleazebags a sleazebag, which i think is a pretty fair point.

happyoutscan

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Are you calling FG voters sleazebags?

I am.

Suckit

happyoutscan wrote: »

I am.

It would be more accurate to blame FG. I'm sure that they saw the report on TV and yet still allowed him to run for their party.
I have no idea how many seats are up for the council where he sat, but it is possible there could be 5 seats and 6 candidates or another reason he got in.

Also, they may not be voting FG, but the man himself. He may be corrupt in their favour...
Personally, I don't think anyone with any affiliation (past or present) to a large Government party should be allowed to take a council seat.

Snow Garden

Suckit wrote: »

It would be more accurate to blame FG. I'm sure that they saw the report on TV and yet still allowed him to run for their party.
I have no idea how many seats are up for the council where he sat, but it is possible there could be 5 seats and 6 candidates or another reason he got in.

Also, they may not be voting FG, but the man himself. He may be corrupt in their favour...
Personally, I don't think anyone with any affiliation (past or present) to a large Government party should be allowed to take a council seat.

This is exactly what happened.

McElvaney is a four-time mayor and has been re-elected in the council in the Ballybay-Clones electoral area. The area was noteworthy for having five seats available and just six candidates.

The 6th candidate must have been a complete shyster altogether!

I am still at a loss why the Gardaí weren't compelled to investigate McElvaney's corruption after the RTE investigation. Then again, the Gardaí know exactly how to look the other way too.

Who can you trust in this country anymore???

Suckit

Snow Garden wrote: »

This is exactly what happened.

The 6th candidate must have been a complete shyster altogether!

I am still at a loss why the Gardaí weren't compelled to investigate McElvaney's corruption after the RTE investigation. Then again, the Gardaí know exactly how to look the other way too.

Who can you trust in this country anymore???

:eek: (exact number!!) I should do the Lotto tonight!!!
My own constituency is very similar, it is ridiculous, IIRC the one that didn't get in was Polish (Whom I suspect would have done a better job).
The FG candidate in my area got in on the 7th or 8th count I think.
Handy the way they have the authority to divide each city/council up into small enough areas to pretty much guarantee themselves seats.

James Brown

happyoutscan wrote: »

I am.

Hey, I believed in Enda, Ireland's Tinker Bell.
To be fair the country was so decimated it was plausible that Fine Gael would step up, no more messing, and look after the country. But they chose to kick a dog while it was down to get the last few shillings out for a sweet deal for Uncle Denis.
Fine Gael are the respected vicar who likes to dress up in the under garments of a brasser while pontificating to the great unwashed on morality.
Kenny disgusted me and Leo is a mere spiv caretaker selfie boy.

Bailey is a reminder.

Fan of Netflix

Shame on those who voted Fine Gael.

tayto lover

The Bishop Basher wrote: »

40k for two small pale scars..

I must be worth millions.

Could I have sued the GAA for the injuries I got playing years ago I.e broken wrist x2, teeth knocked out, black eyes, broken collar bone and broken toes?

I could have been a millionaire if so.

Shemale

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I understand that but the payouts are simply ridiculous for the injuries in my opinion . The insurance companies paying that out is costing creches a fortune and they will be soon priced out
He broke his arm , €40k is complete nonsense for that injury

It was a 2 year old child who wasnt being supervised in a play area who suffered a real injury. You know the childs bones will still be growing for another 16 or so year which could lead to complications.

Bailey was seeking up to 60k for landing on her arse while possibly being pissed up

Jupiter Mulligan

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Are you calling FG voters sleazebags?

Anyone who votes for a sleazebag must ipse facto, have sleazebag ethics, Johnny Boy.

What don't you understand about this?

iamwhoiam

Shemale wrote: »

It was a 2 year old child who wasnt being supervised in a play area who suffered a real injury. You know the childs bones will still be growing for another 16 or so year which could lead to complications.

Bailey was seeking up to 60k for landing on her arse while possibly being pissed up

Yes i do know that thank you . I never said they were comparable . And i also know that a two year olds bones heal very well and highly unlikely to cause any complications . And that was never once mentioned anyway .

Auguste Comte

Shemale wrote: »

Bailey was seeking up to 60k for landing on her arse while possibly being pissed up

Or maybe she didn't land on her privileged arse at all and is doing a Farrell and making the whole thing up to get easy money, just like the Wan with the glass in her bra or wherever she had it.

I'm not saying thats what happened but Leo could release the report, video and all and put rumours like that to bed. Otherwise we can just speculate and take Farrell's actions as the standard they operate to.

James Brown

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

Anyone who votes for a sleazebag must ipse facto, have sleazebag ethics, Johnny Boy.

What don't you understand about this?

Some folk genuinely buy the FF/FG spiel. How in this day and age I honestly don't know.

Shemale

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Yes i do know that thank you . I never said they were comparable . And i also know that a two year olds bones heal very well and highly unlikely to cause any complications . And that was never once mentioned anyway .

Sorry, I wasnt inferring you had compared them, it was just for balance. It wasnt mentioned but I said "could".

Also the 2 year old would need more care ie an adults understands how to protect themselves and their limitations.

iamwhoiam

Shemale wrote: »

Sorry, I wasnt inferring you had compared them, it was just for balance. It wasnt mentioned but I said "could".

Also the 2 year old would need more care ie an adults understands how to protect themselves and their limitations.

Fair enough . I agree a two year old needs more care but these things happen . My own granchild fell in creche but it never once dawned on any of us to sue . Plus I find €40k totally over the top for a fracture in a two year old .

ohnonotgmail

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Fair enough . I agree a two year old needs more care but these things happen . My own granchild fell in creche but it never once dawned on any of us to sue . Plus I find €40k totally over the top for a fracture in a two year old .

did the child break its arm and require surgery to fix it? did they fall due to a foreseeable accident?

iamwhoiam

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

did the child break its arm and require surgery to fix it? did they fall due to a foreseeable accident?

A two year old is not one to one in a creche . The carers don’t have eyes in the back of their heads . Its life , toddlers fall all the time . They fall at home too it happens . And why does he need 40k anyway ? It way over the top as are most payouts in Ireland

JeffKenna

tayto lover wrote: »

Could I have sued the GAA for the injuries I got playing years ago I.e broken wrist x2, teeth knocked out, black eyes, broken collar bone and broken toes?

I could have been a millionaire if so.

Like Maria Bailey, you were brought up playing GAA so don't play offside.

Jupiter Mulligan

Deleted User wrote: »

You're correct. How people could remember this is that Bruton's act led to the collapse of that FG government in March 1982 and John Bruton, then 34 years of age, has been on a massive ministerial pension (actually several of them) from this state every year for the past 37 years. Parasites on the taxpayers of this state, and irony, don't come much bigger than that conservative rightwing politician.

So you don't like him.

He probably wouldn't like you either, if he knew of your existence.

Jupiter Mulligan

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Some folk genuinely buy the FF/FG spiel. How in this day and age I honestly don't know.

Matt pet, I keep telling you, time to grow up and get rid of this infantile "two legs bad, four legs good" simplistic nonsense.

You're a big boy now - in fact I hear you're shaving - so it's about time that your posts reflected your physical (whatever about mental) maturity.

Jupiter Mulligan

Snow Garden wrote: »

I am still at a loss why the Gardaí weren't compelled to investigate McElvaney's corruption after the RTE investigation. Then again, the Gardaí know exactly how to look the other way too.

Who can you trust in this country anymore???

But he wasn't actually corrupt. Sure, he indicated that he was willing to be corrupted, but he didn't actually do anything corrupt.

Somewhat surprisingly, in Leo's Ireland of the snowflake, thoughtcrime isn't yet illegal. So what could the Gardaí have investigated?

Like it or not, much the same applies to Bailey - as her case was withdrawn before coming to court, she's not guilty of any actual crime.

McMurphy

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

But he wasn't actually corrupt. Sure, he indicated that he was willing to be corrupted, but he didn't actually do anything corrupt.

Somewhat surprisingly, in Leo's Ireland of the snowflake, thoughtcrime isn't yet illegal. So what could the Gardaave investigated?

Like it or not, much the same applies to Bailey - as her case was withdrawn before coming to court, she's not guilty of any actual crime.

https://www.garda.ie/en/Crime/Fraud/What-is-fraud-.html

I know that an attempt was made to defraud me but they didn't get anything. What should I do?

Even though you have not been a victim of crime on this occasion, fraudsters often use the same methods to commit fraud. Any attempted fraud should be reported to An Garda Sh and to your financial institution if relevant without delay. Your information may prevent other incidents of fraud and assist in identifying the fraudster.

Specifically, insurance wise.

The law, the Civil Liability and Courts Act 2004, under sections 14 and 25, makes it a criminal offence to invent accidents, feign injuries, or exaggerate elements of either.

Section 25 applies to anyone giving false or misleading evidence in a personal injuries action with the intention of misleading the court, while section 14 requires the plaintiff specifically to swear an affidavit as to the truth of all assertions, allegations, and information provided to the defendant and to provide that affidavit within 21 days of lodging a claim.

Fines of up to €100,000 and/or imprisonment of up to ten years can be imposed on those convicted of breaches of either section.

Snow Garden

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

But he wasn't actually corrupt. Sure, he indicated that he was willing to be corrupted, but he didn't actually do anything corrupt.

Somewhat surprisingly, in Leo's Ireland of the snowflake, thoughtcrime isn't yet illegal. So what could the Gardaí have investigated?

Like it or not, much the same applies to Bailey - as her case was withdrawn before coming to court, she's not guilty of any actual crime.

What? Jaysus don't spend your entire life being a naïve apologist. Wrong is wrong. Do you think RTE Investigates picked his name out of a hat?

Have another look at the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpko_hXWb7Q

This was clearly not his first time. The Gardaí would easily have found corruption if they did some work and followed the money.

Bailey might have got further with her fraudulent claim if the Independent hadn't compelled her to do the right thing.

Jupiter Mulligan

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

https://www.garda.ie/en/Crime/Fraud/What-is-fraud-.html



Specifically, insurance wise.

You don't really understand what you just posted do you? Own up, it's nothing to be ashamed of.

Jupiter Mulligan

Snow Garden wrote: »

What? Jaysus don't spend your entire life being a naïve apologist. Wrong is wrong. Do you think RTE Investigates picked his name out of a hat?

Have another look at the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpko_hXWb7Q

This was clearly not his first time. The Gardaí would easily have found corruption if they did some work and followed the money.

If my septic tank ever needs some extra contents, I'll remember to give you a shout.

Snow Garden

K

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

If my septic tank ever needs some extra contents, I'll remember to give you a shout.

I'd say it's quite full already. I think we'll need a special percolation area for some of your posts.

Are you paid to defend the indefensible? You'll need tighter blinkers at the next election.

McMurphy

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

You don't really understand what you just posted do you? Own up, it's nothing to be ashamed of.

I think you're on a wind up J.m you wee rascal.

Jupiter Mulligan

Snow Garden wrote: »

I'd day it's quite full already. I think we'll need a special percolation area for some of your posts.

Are you paid to defend the indefensible? You'll need tighter blinkers at the next election.

No blinkers required. As I've already revealed, unless the Soc Dems or Greens run a candidate in my rural constituency next time round, I'm 95% certain that I'll be voting FG. Sure I'll be holding my nose as I do it, but the only real alternative is to spoil my vote. And by doing that, I may be allowing someone who I genuinely despise to get elected.

_Kaiser_

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

No blinkers required. As I've already revealed, unless the Soc Dems or Greens run a candidate in my rural constituency next time round, I'm 95% certain that I'll be voting FG. Sure I'll be holding my nose as I do it, but the only real alternative is to spoil my vote. And by doing that, I may be allowing someone who I genuinely despise to get elected.

Whatever about the SD's, the Greens are of the same ilk as FG - great PR and spin, but really just an excuse to increase tax and make things worse.. Or have ye forgotten how they pushed everyone to diesels in 2008 (instantly creating a 2-tier market) and now would have us pay again because it turns out it wasn't such a good idea after all.

Voting FG after their performance over the last 8 years is exactly what you say you want to avoid. It's an endorsement of the spin and arrogance, and their far more destructive policies to our society that will ultimately form their legacy

Snow Garden

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

No blinkers required. As I've already revealed, unless the Soc Dems or Greens run a candidate in my rural constituency next time round, I'm 95% certain that I'll be voting FG. Sure I'll be holding my nose as I do it, but the only real alternative is to spoil my vote. And by doing that, I may be allowing someone who I genuinely despise to get elected.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results

What constituency are you in?

Jupiter Mulligan

Snow Garden wrote: »

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results

What constituency are you in?

Uranus south central.

Jupiter Mulligan

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Whatever about the SD's, the Greens are of the same ilk as FG - great PR and spin, but really just an excuse to increase tax and make things worse.. Or have ye forgotten how they pushed everyone to diesels in 2008 (instantly creating a 2-tier market) and now would have us pay again because it turns out it wasn't such a good idea after all.

Voting FG after their performance over the last 8 years is exactly what you say you want to avoid. It's an endorsement of the spin and arrogance, and their far more destructive policies to our society that will ultimately form their legacy

I have mentioned my preferred alternatives. There is literally no one else to vote for.

Snow Garden

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

I have mentioned my preferred alternatives. There is literally no one else to vote for.

Yeah yeah stop crying, give us your constituency and we'll find you a worthy cause.

Jupiter Mulligan

Snow Garden wrote: »

Yeah yeah stop crying, give us your constituency and we'll find you a worthy cause.

So who exactly is this enigmatic "we" which appears to have appointed you as its spokesperson?