Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

ChikiChiki

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It's the nature of our economic system.. boom and bust, prosperity and downturn.

We however have been saddled with so much debt, have really changed very little, and are back spending like it's the Tiger days that when the next financial crisis hits - it'll make the last one seem like a walk in the park.

Because as well as the increased debt, FG have let core services and societal structures (housing, policing etc) decline so much that the impact will be significantly worse and far more widespread.

I think the way societal structures and services are working at the minute are akin to a country being in a very bad recession. It will be horendous when the next one hits.

Muahahaha

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The "reason" was because he was being questioned to give specific answers and detail, rather than spin and that didn't sit well with him. He was insulted that he was expected to ANSWER a question - and regardless of anyone's political leanings, that's what people like Martin are there to do as well - and "lashed out" accordingly.

It's immature, it's arrogant, and it's an own goal... but it's also the FG way! His predecessor was much the same, just with less Twitter posts! :rolleyes:

I had to laugh at Leos excuses yesterday saying that he said the remark about priests sinning "in the heat of political debate", like it was literally him Michael Martin and the Ceann Comhairle in the chamber. If he thinks that was a heated debate then he wouldn't last five minutes in the House of Commons.

Kivaro

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Nope. He'd be a lot worse.

Most definitely. Since Conveney's attendance at the infamous and highly-secretive Bilderberg Group summit with UN Migration Chief Peter Sutherland, he should be seen as a danger to Ireland's future as an autonomous country. Even though many may say that we have lost a good deal of our autonomy already due to the bailout and massive debt that we are now saddled with; under Coveney as leader the country's independence would be eroded.

Lest we forget: Peter Sutherland, as UN Migration leader, believed that there was too much homogeneity in European states, which eventually translated into the defacto open borders that we now have in Europe and Ireland from outside the EU.

Kivaro

mikhail wrote: »

I expect we never will. We'll wait for a century of inflation to take care of it. Meanwhile, we're presumably more vulnerable to a downturn while carrying so much debt.

Nothing to presume with that mikhail.
The country is in for one hell of a shock when the next downturn occurs. The downturn of 2008 will be looked on fondly compared to what's going to happen with the next one. Austerity will have a new meaning then; at least for people in Ireland.

Despite five consecutive years of economic growth in this country, the Fine Gael Government has run financial deficits every single year.
Should there be a recession, Ireland would begin with a debt of 68% of GDP (or more accurately 100%, which is more realistic), which is a lot worse than what we had in 2007.
By the way, speaking of 100%, the head of the National Treasury Management Agency (NTMA) Conor O’Kelly said yesterday that the chances of a future recession in Ireland in the next few years are 100%.
Batten down the hatches!

Odyssey 2005

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Have fg delivered any projects successfully?

They'd be hard pressed to deliver a pizza !;)

WishUWereHere

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

Matt pet, I keep telling you, time to grow up and get rid of this infantile "two legs bad, four legs good" simplistic nonsense.

You're a big boy now - in fact I hear you're shaving - so it's about time that your posts reflected your physical (whatever about mental) maturity.

JM, Is it not possible to answer or make a comment withOUT resorting to calling names.

I am amazed the MODS haven't done something about this kind of comment.

PLEASE BE CIVIL!

Kivaro

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

They'd be hard pressed to deliver a pizza !;)

I'm sure they'd swing that. :pac:

James Brown

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

Matt pet, I keep telling you, time to grow up and get rid of this infantile "two legs bad, four legs good" simplistic nonsense.

You're a big boy now - in fact I hear you're shaving - so it's about time that your posts reflected your physical (whatever about mental) maturity.

You said anyone who votes FG is sleazy but you would. Somehow 'holding your nose' as you do so means something? I said some people genuinely believe them. You got emotional again.

WishUWereHere wrote: »

JM, Is it not possible to answer or make a cooent withOUT resorting to calling names.

I am amazed the MODS haven't done something about this kind of comment.

PLEASE BE CIVIL!

He's not capable of debate and resorts to childishness. He started out 'in character' but lost the run of himself. He's gone from annoyed to petulant schoolboy.

Odyssey 2005

Kivaro wrote: »

I'm sure they'd swing that. :pac:

You mean they'd DROP it

James Brown

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

They'd be hard pressed to deliver a pizza !;)

Put a few pals on the board, high salaries, give Dinny the preferred bidder delivery contract then sell him the vans at a loss to the tax payer. Grand job.

Loafing Oaf

Kivaro wrote: »

Lest we forget: Donal Sutherland, as UN Migration leader, believed that there was too much homogeneity in European states, which eventually translated into the defacto open borders that we now have in Europe and Ireland from outside the EU.

Well I knew he played sinister, machiavellian figures:P

Kivaro

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Well I knew he played sinister, machiavellian figures:P

They both did. Donald and Peter.

Thanks LO. Fixed the typo.

Shemale

Snow Garden wrote: »

Did they? I didn't know that. Have you a link?
They must have known they had several fraudsters in their own ranks.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.breakingnews.ie/ireland/govt-abandons-plans-for-dedicated-garda-insurance-fraud-unit-925523.html

A more general blah blah approach, this way the insurance companies cant demand people prosecuted, nobody in AGS is responsible and the TDs can use influence to shut down investigations on their colleagues / buddies.

Snow Garden

Kivaro wrote: »

Nothing to presume with that mikhail.
The country is in for one hell of a shock when the next downturn occurs. The downturn of 2008 will be looked on fondly compared to what's going to happen with the next one. Austerity will have a new meaning then; at least for people in Ireland.

Despite five consecutive years of economic growth in this country, the Fine Gael Government has run financial deficits every single year.
Should there be a recession, Ireland would begin with a debt of 68% of GDP (or more accurately 100%, which is more realistic), which is a lot worse than what we had in 2007.
By the way, speaking of 100%, the head of the National Treasury Management Agency (NTMA) Conor O’Kelly said yesterday that the chances of a future recession in Ireland in the next few years are 100%.
Batten down the hatches!

I.actually think that downturn has already started. Worldwide.

As someone said, FG had a huge opportunity in 2011 to reform this country and public expenditure and absolutely blew it. The fact we are still borrowing to pay our way is a crime. The chickens will come home to roost.

Plumbthedepths

Tbh a dedicated Garda unit investigating fraud financied by the insurance industry would be open to allegations of working on behalf of the insurance industry due to funding.

Plumbthedepths

Poor Leo is coming under pressure from within his party and outside to release the inquiry findings about Bailey according to a piece in today's Times.
Seems it's not going away Leo...what ya gonna do?

The Bishop Basher

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Poor Leo is coming under pressure from within his party and outside to release the inquiry findings about Bailey according to a piece in today's Times.
Seems it's not going away Leo...what ya gonna do?

The longer this story rumbles on the more it grows legs.

Someone is advising Leo very badly..

Or very well depending which way you look at it

McMurphy

Well I be fooked..... Who could possibly have seen this coming.....

Speaking to reporters today in Longford today, Varadkar said he has received the review and met with Bailey about its conclusions last night.

However, he also confirmed that he cannot publish the report as those involved in the review spoke on condition it would not be published.

He added that he will make a statement on the conclusions of the Bailey swing case next week.

https://www.thejournal.ie/maria-bailey-report-4712733-Jul2019/

Who the hell would have guessed that he would only receive it in the days before summer recess.......

FGers, Leo's laughing at you too you know.

ChikiChiki

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Poor Leo is coming under pressure from within his party and outside to release the inquiry findings about Bailey according to a piece in today's Times.
Seems it's not going away Leo...what ya gonna do?

I'll tell you what he will do. Brass it out until summer recess and hope it disappears.

Darc19

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I'll tell you what he will do. Brass it out until summer recess and hope it disappears.

No chance of it going away. If anything the recess means less stories so the media will look for anything to create headlines.

And with insurance the hot topic, a bit of regurgitating of Bailey's very dubious "nothing to lose" case is guaranteed.

I still don't know why the media have not looked into the "I was told I had nothing to lose" statement by Bailey.

Basically was told by her legal people (josepha Madigan?) that there was ZERO risk in taking a dubious case because the system does not in most cases look for the costs on a losing case.

Auguste Comte

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Well I be fooked..... Who could possibly have seen this coming.....



https://www.thejournal.ie/maria-bailey-report-4712733-Jul2019/

Who the hell would have guessed that he would only receive it in the days before summer recess.......

FGers, Leo's laughing at you too you know.

I wonder is false foto Farrell going to be dealt with? after all he done exactly what Bailey attempted, ie. dodgy claim, but went all the way only to be found out in court.

Shefwedfan

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

The motorways were all on time... port tunnel was ok?
A decent government could have delivered Irish water.

Majority of motorway are owned by private companies, they make money from the tolls which the government also don’t own

In fact on the likes of M3 if the company doesn’t make enough teach year from tolls then the government has to top them up

Muahahaha

Lets face it, Leo doesnt have the balls to cut her loose. Regardless of him hiding the report from the publics eyes removing the whip from Bailey is the only outcome the public want to see. By shirking it Leo is showing his weakness and the public will take note. FG have already been passed by FF in the last opinion poll so I'd predict the next one is going to be a shocker given how useless he has been at dealing with this. And the moniker of FG as the party of insurance fraud will well be and truly stuck, only a bunch of idiots could score an own goal that big yet here we are.

"However, he also confirmed that he cannot publish the report as those involved in the review spoke on condition it would not be published."

A feeble cop-out. It's in the interest of the voting public to know, and the relevant authorities tackling fraud.

InTheShadows

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Looks like they're dragging this one on to summer recess, it's blatantly obvious something dodgy went on here, because as sure as your balls hang down, if it had your two in the clear, the blueshirts would have been broadcasting the report from high.

This should not be allowed to go unanswered, leo is treating the public with contempt, but what can be done to get an answer?

Back to emailing TDs and minister's I suppose?

The problem starts with a media that unfortunately tows the establishment line for the most part and stops digging when told. Iv'e heard of two separate TD's besides the one's mentioned who have both had insurance claims put in within the last year alone yet despite this silence about them as of yet.

For democracy to work and for the people to have proper functioning governance you need a proper functioning media which we don't and maybe never have.

Take Newstalk as an example, after the Bailey scandal broke a few days later one of their pundits said several times that Bailey was been hounded and bullied and it was unfair on her. This despite the fact people of her ilk are the cause and effect of small and medium size business going bust or ceasing to trade. Madness yet Varadkar sits on his hands and does sfa.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

The nastiness within Fine Gael is spreading. Some venom at this FG meeting in Kells according to today's Irish Times in the past 2 hours:

Fine Gael investigating alleged comments about former member

It seems John V. Farrelly, the former FG TD and current chair of the Meath East Constituency, is the person responsible for this. He has said he's now stepping aside as the constituency chair.

Fine Gael member apologises for use of ‘offensive’ metaphor: John V Farrelly alleged to have described female party member as ‘n****r in the woodpile’

The phrase, n****r in the woodpile, originated in the US in the 19th century and is now considered offensive, according to the Oxford English Dictionary. It had been used to mean “a concealed motive or unknown factor affecting a situation in an adverse way”, according to the dictionary.

I never heard it used before. Every day is a school day, as they say.

Gen.Zhukov

The three amigos, Flashy, Spicy and Losty are very conspicuous by their absence lately.
Must have got a memo from party HQ: "Lads, stfu will yis" Regards, P.P, Leo.

Possibly CC'd to Jupes.

pinkyeye

Deleted User wrote: »

The nastiness within Fine Gael is spreading. Some venom at this FG meeting in Kells according to today's Irish Times in the past 2 hours:

Fine Gael investigating alleged comments about former member

And he's denying calling her a fcuking bitch like that's the problem????

WTAF??

buckwheat

Deleted User wrote: »

It seems John V. Farrelly, the former FG TD and current chair of the Meath East Constituency, is the person responsible for this. He has said he's now stepping aside as the constituency chair.

Fine Gael member apologises for use of ‘offensive’ metaphor: John V Farrelly alleged to have described female party member as ‘n****r in the woodpile’



I never heard it used before. Every day is a school day, as they say.

Muahahaha

This chaps insurance went from €593 to €1,413 in the space of a year, unbelievable. And what was it Alan Farrell won, €2,000?


https://www.broadsheet.ie/page/6/

Now how can Fine Gael even pretend to be part of the solution when they are very much part of the problem with their own members taking fraudulent claims and getting the rest of us to pick up the tab?

mickdw

FG are seriously misjudging this situation.
It's one thing for car Insurance policies to be going up 5 percent or some such but when you have good business being put to the wall due to insurance increases, you have a real problem.
These businesses range from leisure centres, to pubs to child minders. This is a problem that needs to b e addressed from the top. When you have a government that is happy to stand by and watch it's own members attempt to fill their pockets, well there is just no hope.
This government must go as soon as possible. It must be said, FF are standing by and remaining in full support of the government so they are worse really.
I don't buy all this - no election due to brexit. The UK don't seem to have that opinion.

Auguste Comte

Muahahaha wrote: »

This chaps insurance went from €593 to €1,413 in the space of a year, unbelievable. And what was it Alan Farrell won, €2,000?

Indeed, Farrell's victim was also left with a 5 figure legal bill.

I really wonder what the ordinary Joe/Jane sope members of FG make of the way this is being handled.
At this stage it's less about that actions of Farrell and Bailey no matter how reprehensible but the party's leaderships willingness to accept it.

Why would ordinary members be willing to go knocking on doors knowing that they will somehow have to defend these two and justify their acceptance in the party?

happyoutscan

Farrell is the lowest of the low. Absolute dirt of a person.

Loafing Oaf

mickdw wrote: »

This government must go as soon as possible. It must be said, FF are standing by and remaining in full support of the government so they are worse really.

This is why FG feel they can get away with this carry on. Where is the better option for small businesses?

WishUWereHere

Auguste Comte wrote: »

I wonder is false foto Farrell going to be dealt with? after all he done exactly what Bailey attempted, ie. dodgy claim, but went all the way only to be found out in court.

Just in case anyone forgot what AF did:

https://www.thesun.ie/news/4208026/alan-farrell-football-match-crash-compo-claim/

Pintman Paddy Losty

Glad to hear the report has concluded and An taoiseach is meeting with Deputy Bailey on the matter. Also good to see that the report took statements on the basis that the report would remain private. That allows people to speak truthfully and frankly.

It is now up to Leo Varadkar as leader of the party to make a decision on this internal party matter. I'm sure all will be settled and long forgotten come September when Brexit will loom large on the headlines.

Kivaro

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Glad to hear the report has concluded and An taoiseach is meeting with Deputy Bailey on the matter. Also good to see that the report took statements on the basis that the report would remain private. That allows people to speak truthfully and frankly.

It is now up to Leo Varadkar as leader of the party to make a decision on this internal party matter. I'm sure all will be settled and long forgotten come September when Brexit will loom large on the headlines.

Many, many, of us will make sure that this is not the case ...........

Plumbthedepths

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote:

It is now up to Leo Varadkar as leader of the party to make a decision on this internal party matter. I'm sure all will be settled and long forgotten come September when Brexit will loom large on the headlines.

I seem to remember you claiming it was only a couple of crank on here that had an interest in the matter. Yet the media is keeping this one going including RTE.

WishUWereHere

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Glad to hear the report has concluded and An taoiseach is meeting with Deputy Bailey on the matter. Also good to see that the report took statements on the basis that the report would remain private. That allows people to speak truthfully and frankly.

It is now up to Leo Varadkar as leader of the party to make a decision on this internal party matter. I'm sure all will be settled and long forgotten come September when Brexit will loom large on the headlines.

Hate to burst your bubble PPL, but as far as I am concerned, this will NEVER be forgotten, at least not until LV and FG take APPROPRIATE action,

McMurphy

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Glad to hear the report has concluded and An taoiseach is meeting with Deputy Bailey on the matter. Also good to see that the report took statements on the basis that the report would remain private. That allows people to speak truthfully and frankly.

It is now up to Leo Varadkar as leader of the party to make a decision on this internal party matter. I'm sure all will be settled and long forgotten come September when Brexit will loom large on the headlines.

Paddy your stupidity is betraying you, either that, or else you're merely inadvertently revealing yourself as the WUM most of us already know you to be, old hand.

Any true FGer would be wanting this out in the open, and Maria and Josepha (and also Alan Farrell for good measure) world of deceit and lies - warts and all exposed for all to see, and removed from the party asap, as a true sign of a party who wouldn't tolerate such skullduggery, and the knock on effect it has on small businesses, and ordinary people who face extraordinary premium's.

You and your other ⅔ of the 3 man act, are quite stale at this stage.





Moving on, Mick Clifford has a great insight into the shenanigans that went on here, nails Madigans involvement in it.

Make a coffee and enjoy.


How do you hide a problem like Maria?

The car crash interview gave the story legs. Enter Josepha Madigan, solicitor and current Minister for Culture, Heritage, and the Gaeltacht. Her firm represented Ms Bailey in the action. Ms Madigan has stepped back from the day-to-day involvement since November 2017 when she was appointed minister. The Bailey case was initiated prior to that date.

The minister would undoubtedly have come under intense focus in the days after the car crash. So quite obviously the spinmeisters thought it best to shovel the whole thing into an inquiry many miles from daily headlines and D attacks. Senior counsel David Kennedy was appointed to “establish all the facts”.

His report is now being finalised. Does it have anything to say about Josepha’s role — if any — in the tale of Maria? If so, would that be embarrassing to the Government at a time when it appears to be losing political momentum?

We don’t know if Maria consulted Josepha about her pain and suffering after the swing fall. If so, solicitor-client confidentiality applies, but if both politicians decided that confidence in their chosen trade demanded answers it would be perfectly open to them to waive confidentiality.

If Josepha had a role in Maria pursuing her claim does it reflect on the approach of solicitors in general to any kind of a personal injury claim? Is such an approach a key element of the culture that the Government claims to be tackling? The legal business is only one part of the problem of spiralling premiums — the insurance industry has plenty of questions to answer also — but the sector is certainly a source of easy and inflated fees.

RustyNut

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Glad to hear the report has concluded and An taoiseach is meeting with Deputy Bailey on the matter. Also good to see that the report took statements on the basis that the report would remain private. That allows people to speak truthfully and frankly.

It is now up to Leo Varadkar as leader of the party to make a decision on this internal party matter. I'm sure all will be settled and long forgotten come September when Brexit will loom large on the headlines.

I think you misspelled the party to attempt to cover up as much as possible. there Paddy.

RustyNut

I wonder would this chancer be one of Leo's team?

From today's Indo.

The Wright Venue opened in the height of the recession and it was announced earlier this year that it would no longer trade as a club.

A major factor in the decision by CEO Michael Wright to shut down the venue was insurance costs.

The premium was a hefty six-figure sum and this week, the club was in the Circuit Civil Court defending a compensation claim after a customer broke her ankle in the bathroom a number of years ago.

Speaking to Independent.ie about the case, Chief Operations Officer of Michael Wright Hospitality Group, Ewan McDonald, said they are determined to tackle Ireland's 'compo culture'.

"We weren’t negligent in any way. It’s a shame she broke her ankle and we wouldn’t wish that on any of our patrons, but accidents happen and they always happen, but that doesn't mean it's always the licensee's fault," he said.

"She claimed the floor was wet but three or four people walked past her and there were witnesses to say the floor wasn't wet.

"We had excellent CCTV, all our cleaning sheets and a toilet attendant there when it happened so we were lucky we had all our ducks in a row. She was wearing high heels and simply fell."

The woman's claim was dismissed in court on Monday and costs awarded against her.

Auguste Comte

WishUWereHere wrote: »

Hate to burst your bubble PPL, but as far as I am concerned, this will NEVER be forgotten, at least not until LV and FG take APPROPRIATE action,

I think we have already seen that Leo and FG are only willing to take action that benefits Leo and FG. It's up to the voters to take the appropriate action at the next GE and show them the error of their ways.

Moleskin

If action is taken against MB she could sue for constructive dismissal.

She will say she has done nothing wrong and if she is dismissed then so should the thousands of other people who have put in dubious claims over the years.

She wont be re elected though, she will be laughed off the doorstep by most people and most people go through their lives without making any sort of claims. The tiny minority of people who have brassnecks will continue to support her but within that group there will be a lot of people furious with her because she has done the State a huge service by drawing public attention to the ridiculous claim culture in this country.

I dont believe there is any real will to change things, too many fat cats feeding off the payments and they wont see this easy income dry up without a battle. Its the insurance companies and their willingness to invest in anti fraud measures that has led to cases being won against fraudsters and not any action the Government has taken on this matter. Setting up an anti fraud unit within the Garda Siochana would have been a very effective measure so why hasnt this happened, no real political will to make change and ruffle the pals in the legal profession may be one of the reasons.

Plumbthedepths

Moleskin wrote:

If action is taken against MB she could sue for constructive dismissal.

Constructive dismissal from what? The party whip can be removed for bringing the party into disrepute. That is the only sanction that can be imposed on her.

Moleskin

She will say she didnt bring the party into disrepute.

Sean, Sean, Sean, I was injured, the seat was polished wood, I fell off. I consulted my legal advisers and they said I had a case.

A few thousand people have succeeded in bringing cases like this, some more than once and they were paid off and doubt if any lost their jobs over it.

If no action has been taken up to this then its unlikely any will be taken now. I think her career in politics in finished but thats because of that car crash interview with Sean O Rourke and not because of the claim. If she had kept her mouth shut this would have all been forgotten about by now.

JohnnyFlash

Kivaro wrote: »

Many, many, of us will make sure that this is not the case ...........

A couple of cranks putting in 16 hour days on this thread isn’t exactly going to cause the government to fall. Thread jumped the shark weeks ago, and is now just a selection of the permanently outraged fooling themselves into believing that their opinions are worth a curse.

This isn’t going to cause the government to fall; this isn’t symptomatic of some fundamental character flaw in FG members and supporters, and this isn’t the start of some uprising which will lead to the end of the FG/FF pattern of government.

Dry your eyes, lads.

Plumbthedepths

JohnnyFlash wrote:

A couple of cranks putting in 16 hour days on this thread isn’t exactly going to cause the government to fall. Thread jumped the shark weeks ago, and is now just a selection of the permanently outraged fooling themselves into believing that their opinions are worth a curse.

The lady protests too much, springs to mind. Poor Leo couldn't even open Centre Parcs venture in Longford without being questioned about Bailey. How many weeks after the story broke is this going on now.
The government is gone by the end of the year. As long as insurance makes headlines FG will be linked to fraudulent case's. Keep up the good fight, ;-)

Moleskin

The polished wood bit was hilarious, if there were splinters in the wood would that be a case for compensation for an ass full of splinters.

What about if there was a random nail that tore a tight. Surely making sure the wood was polished was a brownie point for the hotel.

Auguste Comte

Moleskin wrote: »

If action is taken against MB she could sue for constructive dismissal.

She can't be dismissed from her job as a td. She can however be binned from the FG party and even if she is threatening to make another dubious claim do you not think that Leo/FG should do the right thing and then defend the case just like the hotel that she attempted take money off?