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Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

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    #3542
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    NIMAN wrote: »
    I read a few pages back to see if it was mentioned, but can't see it.

    Indo has a story of a woman dropping a claim against supermacs after she found a tack in her chips. Said she was suffering from PTSD ffs! And couldn't eat in restaurants after the ordeal!!

    Yet they got cctv of her stuffing her face at a carvery which showed her affidavit was lies.

    The more of these the better.

    The timing of these stories by the indo on fraudulent insurance claims on businesses isn't coincidental.

    They're keeping this story in people's minds, make no bones about it.

    What's the bets they've been handed similar CCTV footage by the Dean as the one in the article showing the staged fall in Supermacs?

    Supermacs CCTV, and the indo publishing same? GDRP bollocks.


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    #3543
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users Posts: 8,033 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    tigger123 wrote: »
    The Children's hospital was a massive story, and still is. People are extremely angry about it.

    A sitting TD trying to shake down a business with a suspicious injury claim, then getting caught doing it, then making a public spectacle of themselves on the RTE 1 will always be newsworthy. Doesn't matter what party it is, or what the circumstances are.

    Poetry.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #3544
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    If we had GDPR a few years ago would have graham Dwyer got away with murdering his wife?

    They nailed him on it using his phone signal from the local towers to confirm he was there despite his claims otherwise

    A private phone company handed over his details and location.

    Surely that’s against gdpr?


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    #3545
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,744 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    If we had GDPR a few years ago would have graham Dwyer got away with murdering his wife?

    They nailed him on it using his phone signal from the local towers to confirm he was there despite his claims otherwise

    A private phone company handed over his details and location.

    Surely that’s against gdpr?

    Evidence was presented that the data was needed. At the time I think it was contingent upon a senior Garda request with no oversight.
    That has changed since then.

    No Telco just hands over the data in an instance like this.
    Nor is the data itself stored in such a way that allows immediately personal identification.
    Metadata is stored in such a way that it only becomes "identifiable" when a specific search paramater is used and then all the metadata becomes searchable.

    The metadata is held on a rolling 2 year term, and the use of the data with appropriate tools and authorisation allows for quick location of missing people, mapping of suspects and their movements and a myriad other uses for law enforcement and person location safety.


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    #3546
    Suckit
    Registered Users Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Not sure if GDPR in those type of cases can be used when issued with a warrant.

    I was away in Italy for some of the weekend, and this case was mentioned over there (a lot).
    Did it come out that other TD's/Councillors were with her?
    Last I heard was that it was possible that Josepha Madigan was with her, but now hearing a few names. Was it reported, or were any eye witnesses saying there were others there?


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    #3547
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    banie01 wrote: »
    Evidence was presented that the data was needed. At the time I think it was contingent upon a senior Garda request with no oversight.
    That has changed since then.

    No Telco just hands over the data in an instance like this.
    Nor is the data itself stored in such a way that allows immediately personal identification.
    Metadata is stored in such a way that it only becomes "identifiable" when a specific search paramater is used and then all the metadata becomes searchable.

    The metadata is held on a rolling 2 year term, and the use of the data with appropriate tools and authorisation allows for quick location of missing people, mapping of suspects and their movements and a myriad other uses for law enforcement and person location safety.

    Cool thanks.

    It’s just waiting to be challenged though in such a case I’d say, no?


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    #3548
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Suckit wrote: »
    Not sure if GDPR in those type of cases can be used when issued with a warrant.

    I was away in Italy for some of the weekend, and this case was mentioned over there (a lot).
    Did it come out that other TD's/Councillors were with her?
    Last I heard was that it was possible that Josepha Madigan was with her, but now hearing a few names. Was it reported, or were any eye witnesses saying there were others there?

    Does it matter?


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    #3549
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,744 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Cool thanks.

    It’s just waiting to be challenged though in such a case I’d say, no?

    Graham Dwyer has a challenge that will lead to a redrafting of the act governing it AFAIK.


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    #3550
    Suckit
    Registered Users Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Does it matter?
    Does it matter that there may have been a few TD's with her when she fell off the swing?

    Yes, I would imagine it would matter. For quite a few reasons.
    But if you mean just to me (which I can only imagine you do), then yes. It would help me form an opinion of those too.


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    #3551
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    banie01 wrote: »
    Graham Dwyer has a challenge that will lead to a redrafting of the act governing it AFAIK.

    Oh really?
    Surely he’d need serious money to engage in that kind of legal challenge.
    That’s interesting.


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    #3552
    corminators
    Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭corminators


    Just to note-
    They have another witness in the Graham Dwyer case who was only briefly mentioned and never went on the stand. That person would more than likely be requested to give evidence if he ever goes on trial again for that crime.
    That person knew everything.


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    #3553
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,931 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    If we had GDPR a few years ago would have graham Dwyer got away with murdering his wife?

    They nailed him on it using his phone signal from the local towers to confirm he was there despite his claims otherwise

    A private phone company handed over his details and location.

    Surely that’s against gdpr?

    Graham Dwyer didn't murder his wife!!!


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    #3554
    angel eyes 2012
    Registered Users Posts: 911 ✭✭✭angel eyes 2012


    eagle eye wrote: »
    GDPR is so serious now that even a District Court judge cannot request the previous criminal history of a convicted offender. It can be given to the judge by another party but not be sought by the judge.

    I don't know where the legislative basis is for that. There may be other reasons or legislation as to why previous convictions cannot be considered but Data Protection is certainly not to blame here the ODPC is not the competent supervisory authority for judges anyway.


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    #3555
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,744 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Oh really?
    Surely he’d need serious money to engage in that kind of legal challenge.
    That’s interesting.

    Not at all, costs on a point of law type case are borne by the state.
    Dwyer in any case has already been granted free legal aid.


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    #3556
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    banie01 wrote: »
    Not at all, costs on a point of law type case are borne by the state.
    Dwyer in any case has already been granted free legal aid.

    Tellingly, he designed the building on the street the gaiety is on. Opposite Stephens green Center. Home to H&M
    It’s all sharp angles with a massive pointless dagger shape sticking out over the main entrance.


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    #3557
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Suckit wrote: »
    Not sure if GDPR in those type of cases can be used when issued with a warrant.

    I was away in Italy for some of the weekend, and this case was mentioned over there (a lot).
    Did it come out that other TD's/Councillors were with her?
    Last I heard was that it was possible that Josepha Madigan was with her, but now hearing a few names. Was it reported, or were any eye witnesses saying there were others there?

    Does it matter?

    It matters a great deal and could well finish this incompetent Government once and for all.

    You very well know it.


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    #3558
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Suckit wrote: »
    Does it matter that there may have been a few TD's with her when she fell off the swing?

    Yes, I would imagine it would matter. For quite a few reasons.
    But if you mean just to me (which I can only imagine you do), then yes. It would help me form an opinion of those too.

    I just mean if they were there for all we know they went home and knew nothing of the claim until it came out.

    Seems strange to start blaming people who might have been there without any facts.


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    #3559
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    It matters a great deal and could well finish this incompetent Government once and for all.

    You very well know it.

    How?

    Makes no sense.

    They might not of seen it, were aware of it or seen it and thought I’m out of here.

    Clutching at straws.

    Bailey is the one who deserves criticism right now.


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    #3560
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    Bailey is the one who deserves criticism right now.

    Is she not a member of the government party and her actions reflect on them?


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    #3561
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    _blaaz wrote: »
    Is she not a member of the government party and her actions reflect on them?

    So if one person in a family is a murderer or paedophile for example it reflects on the whole family???


    Bit of perspective.

    Mind you I have seen some vile comments about Michael Noonan today at his sisters funeral.

    Seems there is no boundaries online anymore.


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    #3562
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    So if one person in a family is a murderer or paedophile for example it reflects on the whole family???

    No but a member of an organisation (like say a politocal party) represents the whole organisation and refect upon it and vice versa?



    Why you wish to equate FG to a family is perhaps a circle for you to square


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    #3563
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    So if one person in a family is a murderer or paedophile for example it reflects on the whole family???


    Bit of perspective.

    Mind you I have seen some vile comments about Michael Noonan today at his sisters funeral.

    Seems there is no boundaries online anymore.



    You’re forgetting or ignoring her fathers really scandalous behaviour down the years?

    Right so


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    #3564
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    _blaaz wrote: »
    No but a member of an organisation (like say a politocal party) represents the whole organisation and refect upon it and vice versa?



    Why you wish to equate FG to a family is perhaps a circle for you to square

    Ah look I have said she needs to go full stop.

    One person doesn’t represent a political party.

    We disagree no point going around in circles.


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    #3565
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    One person doesn’t represent a political party.

    We disagree no point going around in circles.

    Meh looks to me FG support her...FF kicked out bertie ahearn ffs



    When you find yourself being compared disfavourably to FF....perhaps its time to question wisdom of supporting them,while she remains in the ranks


    Shes a weak link and people rightly question outlook and ambition of a party what allows her in the ranks


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    #3566
    InTheShadows
    Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭InTheShadows


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    How?

    Makes no sense.

    They might not of seen it, were aware of it or seen it and thought I’m out of here.

    Clutching at straws.

    Bailey is the one who deserves criticism right now.

    Every minute that passes and Varadkar fails to remove her it reflects badly on FG.

    I hope he continues with his weak "leadership" all the way until the next election when he'll be kicked out on his arse himself.


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    #3567
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,395 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    angel eyes 2012 wrote:
    I don't know where the legislative basis is for that. There may be other reasons or legislation as to why previous convictions cannot be considered but Data Protection is certainly not to blame here the ODPC is not the competent supervisory authority for judges anyway.
    It's very recent as in the last couple of weeks.


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    #3568
    Sajid Javid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 116 ✭✭Sajid Javid


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    The timing of these fraudulent insurance claims on businesses isn't coincidental.

    They're keeping this story in people's minds, make no bones about it.

    What's the bets they've been handed similar CCTV footage by the Dean as the one in the article showing the staged fall in Supermacs?

    Supermacs CCTV, and the indo publishing same? GDRP bollocks.



    MB: I had one beer in my hand and I was reaching for my friend's bottle of wine as she was taking her camera out of her jacket, I was then on the floor and I was mortified, I jumped up because I was mortified.

    Somebody was or was not paying attention to the camera
    I hope nobody else gets clickbaited into this web because this is only the canape course and the full menu was years in the making and its not going away.
    For some in FG this episode must have come as an awful shock


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    #3569
    angel eyes 2012
    Registered Users Posts: 911 ✭✭✭angel eyes 2012


    eagle eye wrote: »
    It's very recent as in the last couple of weeks.

    Have you a reference for that.


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    #3570
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    In 'The Sunday Business Post' ('independent journalism on Sunday') the Minister for Housing's brother writes in defence of the Minister's Fine Gael party colleague and second cousin, the chair of the Housing Committee

    twitter.com

    The FG crowd can shut the fuck up about the Healy Raes forever more.


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    #3571
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,744 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »

    The FG crowd can shut the fuck up about the Healy Raes forever more.

    An actual debasement of moral authority!
    Any hope of holding the moral high ground when decrying the nepotism and cronyism of the other parties has now deserted FG!

    Nevermind he's the brother of a sitting Minister...
    Is he not also her fúcking cousin?


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