Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

boombang

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I think in years to come we'll be hearing a lot of stories about Noonan and his inappropriate behaviour.

Didn't know there was something there. Very interesting. Could those be some of the burried bodies that Bailey might know of?

Tacitus Kilgore

Perhaps not directly relevant to this thread, but...


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/boy-whose-speech-was-allegedly-affected-by-dublin-bus-braking-loses-damages-claim-1.3957530

Judge Coghlan said the CCTV footage showed the bus in a lurching motion as if it braked and he did not have any evidence of a collision. Dismissing the claim, he directed that the plaintiff pay the defendant’s costs. Counsel for the boy pleaded with the court not to make that order as the family would not be able to cover it.

Refusing to change the order, the judge said taking a case has potential for catastrophe and to reward people who are impecunious would be contrary to public policy.

Nice seeing a sensible judgement to a bullshit claim

salmocab

Boggles wrote: »

Ryan is a genuine honest fella, but the last time they got in they actually made the air quality worse. Don't even talk to me about those fúcking light bulbs.

Eamon Ryan? He is in his hole a genuine honest guy, he is a nimby waste of space and typical politician with only re-election on his mind. He’s no more a green than anyone else in the dail. His work against the metro shoes how the former minister for Diesel engines sees his roll.

ohnonotgmail

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Perhaps not directly relevant to this thread, but...


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/boy-whose-speech-was-allegedly-affected-by-dublin-bus-braking-loses-damages-claim-1.3957530



Nice seeing a sensible judgement to a bullshit claim

While it was nice to see the judge awarding costs against the plaintiff dublin bus will never see a penny of it.

Tacitus Kilgore

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

While it was nice to see the judge awarding costs against the plaintiff dublin bus will never see a penny of it.

Doesn't really matter if they do, it might make a few chancers think twice before they go for a whopper, at the moment its a complete free for all.



However - if it went so far - I reckon Bailey would have to pay up the costs if it came to it

Odyssey 2005

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

While it was nice to see the judge awarding costs against the plaintiff dublin bus will never see a penny of it.

Any payment she is receiving should be stopped,not docked a few quid ,stopped. This would include any mickey money. This was a win win case for her and the likes of her and a loose loose for DB or any other defendant.

ohnonotgmail

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Any payment she is receiving should be stopped,not docked a few quid ,stopped. This would include any mickey money. This was a win win case for her and the likes of her and a loose loose for DB or any other defendant.

it has been established that they cannot do that even for court fines so the chances of that happening for a civil debt are less than zero.

Odyssey 2005

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

it has been established that they cannot do that even for court fines so the chances of that happening for a civil debt are less than zero.

If that's the case,and I believe you, people should have to lodge a substantial amount with the court before they can institute court proceedings. This however causes problems for genuinely injured people.

ohnonotgmail

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

If that's the case,and I believe you, people should have to lodge a substantial amount with the court before they can institute court proceedings. This however causes problems for genuinely injured people.

it does which is why it will never happen. If you restrict access to only those who can afford to lodge substantial amounts then you no longer have a justice system. you can cheer yourself a little though by realising that the solicitor and barrister who took the case for her wont be making any money out of it.

odyssey06

What would happen if the costs are awarded against a claimant, claimant cannot pay, but in 5 years time claimant makes another claim and gets payout of €100,000? Would the outstanding costs debt take precedence?

BarryD2

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

You're not wrong, but consider the alternatives..

- Labour sold out their voters for their turn at the trough with FG

- SF... Really? Who would trust them with an FDI dependent economy? Who supports the notion of unfettered immigration? Who would back the idea of more resources/money to those who don't earn it? And ffs they think people here really think of NI as a core issue. We can't even manage to effectively run the country we have without adding to it.

- Greens. Lots of spin and soundbites but really about the tax. What other party does that remind you of....?

- Soc Dem. Some good ideas, but badly let down by their key personalities and core values.. Oh, and that candidate they ran in Dublin that caused splits in their own group

- independents. Leaving aside that many are former FF or FG anyway, they're usually one issue parochial candidates that either split the vote, or hold far too much sway (Lowry, Healy-Rae)

- AAA / others. Like most of the other groups above they're useful as watchdogs that call out the excesses and scandals of the sitting Government, but that's about the extent of it

.. In short, there's a very good reason why FF and FG have dominated politics in this country. As bad as they are, the alternatives are worse.

But, as FG have proven once again this time out, in the end they're worse than FF, which is why they are only ever elected as a protest vote, never on their own merits.

In effect, as the makeup of most of the Governments in the history of this State have shown, we're really only a one party country.. FF (with whatever mudguard they go in with to make up the numbers).

Agree mostly but with one difference - yes we are in a one party state effectively but that one party is FF/FG. They are both sides of the same coin and the pretence that they offer any real difference is a con job that has been played for years.

It would be far better if they merged and ran the country as that. Because as you say, the alternatives for most voters aren't very appealing.

Odyssey 2005

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

If that's the case,and I believe you, people should have to lodge a substantial amount with the court before they can institute court proceedings. This however causes problems for genuinely injured people.

So poor people don't have the right to any kind of justice?

So many people on boards haven't a clue about what being poor means.

Snow Garden

BarryD2 wrote: »

Agree mostly but with one difference - yes we are in a one party state effectively but that one party is FF/FG. They are both sides of the same coin and the pretence that they offer any real difference is a con job that has been played for years.

It would be far better if they merged and ran the country as that. Because as you say, the alternatives for most voters aren't very appealing.

Completely agree. I think the last 8 years have shown that FF and FG are very very similar. I think the public finally recognise that too.

_Kaiser_

Snow Garden wrote: »

Completely agree. I think the last 8 years have shown that FF and FG are very very similar. I think the public finally recognise that too.

The primary difference is FF realise you still need to look after the "peasants" to some degree as well, even if it bankrupts the country in the process.

With FG, their arrogance and only looking after themselves and their hangers-on is always their undoing.

It's why they only ever stay in power long enough to rehabilitate FF in the eyes of the electorate... as I said, as bad as FF are, in the end FG always prove to be worse!

Stop moaning ffs

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The primary difference is FF realise you still need to look after the "peasants" to some degree as well, even if it bankrupts the country in the process.

With FG, their arrogance and only looking after themselves and their hangers-on is always their undoing.

It's why they only ever stay in power long enough to rehabilitate FF in the eyes of the electorate... as I said, as bad as FF are, in the end FG always prove to be worse!

I’d agree with this but it clearly suits both parties down the ground. They both get regular shots at the wheel and then followed by a lengthy holiday while the other takes over.

It’s nauseating

Boggles

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

They both get regular shots at the wheel and then followed by a lengthy holiday while the other takes over.

The holiday is whilst they are in Government.

The hard work begins in opposition, not easy getting to a dozen funerals a week.

Loafing Oaf

BarryD2 wrote: »

It would be far better if they merged and ran the country as that..

Why would they ever do that? The current arrangement suits both fine. They would both be very reluctant to go into full coalition either as it would shatter the pretence of rivalry between them.

BarryD2

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The primary difference is FF realise you still need to look after the "peasants" to some degree as well, even if it bankrupts the country in the process.

Yeah and the builders and big business as well - no, there's no real difference between FF & FG as far as the average citizen is concerned.

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Why would they ever do that? The current arrangement suits both fine. They would both be very reluctant to go into full coalition either as it would shatter the pretence of rivalry between them.

I didn't say they would merge, just opined that they should. It'd be more honest.

Stop moaning ffs

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Why would they ever do that? The current arrangement suits both fine. They would both be very reluctant to go into full coalition either as it would shatter the pretence of rivalry between them.

There’s talk of nationalising the government in case of a no deal brexit.

BENDYBINN

Any video footage of Maria’s tumble?

Plumbthedepths

BENDYBINN wrote:

Any video footage of Maria’s tumble?

There is but it hasn't been made public.....yet.

BENDYBINN

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

There is but it hasn't been made public.....yet.

Is it true she was as drunk as a monkey?

Cork Boy 53

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

There’s talk of nationalising the government in case of a no deal brexit.

And talk is all that will happen. No way will this become a reality.

Suckit

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Perhaps not directly relevant to this thread, but...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/boy-whose-speech-was-allegedly-affected-by-dublin-bus-braking-loses-damages-claim-1.3957530

Nice seeing a sensible judgement to a bullshit claim

Sorry, but that just shows me that even the best of people are tempted by easy money.

James Brown

boombang wrote: »

Didn't know there was something there. Very interesting. Could those be some of the burried bodies that Bailey might know of?

I doubt it. She's likely got Josepha on the hook and/or Leo needs bums on seats. She's political small fry, if a bigger issue than Leo might like.

The Sitserv deal is under investigation. One of those things were the department did something for Dinny but nobody told Noonan allegedly. Then Noonan going up north to meet with a vulture fund, the state was doing a deal with. It will likely come out over time.

James Brown

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The primary difference is FF realise you still need to look after the "peasants" to some degree as well, even if it bankrupts the country in the process.

With FG, their arrogance and only looking after themselves and their hangers-on is always their undoing.

It's why they only ever stay in power long enough to rehabilitate FF in the eyes of the electorate... as I said, as bad as FF are, in the end FG always prove to be worse!

Ireland was never bankrupted looking after 'the peasants' as you put it. Loose credit, which everyday folk also availed of, that's as much as the average person contributed to the crash. With Bertie saying 'the boom would get boomier', I can see why your average Joe might have got in above his head.

FF and FG feed off each other. We need an end to both.

JohnnyFlash

Matt Barrett wrote: »

FF and FG feed off each other. We need an end to both.

How would you suggest that happens, Mattie?

People go the polls with a large choice of parties and independents available to vote for. And without being forced to do anything they vote for FF and FG. That’s democracy. Moaning about it on the internet isn’t going to change anything.

James Brown

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

How would you suggest that happens, Mattie?

People go the polls with a large choice of parties and independents available to vote for. And without being forced to do anything they vote for FF and FG. That’s democracy. Moaning about it on the internet isn’t going to change anything.

Stop voting for them Johnny.
You stay in your little 'ah sure what can you do?' bubble there now.

JohnnyFlash

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Stop voting for them Johnny.

But the people want to vote for them. That’s why they do so. They vote for one of the two centrist parties. You might not like it, but that’s democracy in action. The stability of our democratic and parliamentary system is one of the reasons we went from being the poorest country in the EEC in 1973 to now being ranked the 4th best country in the world in which to live by the UN. The electorate have always roundly rejected far left alternatives. And far right parties never even get off the ground. We like centrist politics. This is fairly simple stuff to get the head around tbh.

odyssey06

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

But the people want to vote for them. That’s why they do so. They vote for one of the two centrist parties. You might not like it, but that’s democracy in action. The stability of our democratic and parliamentary system is one of the reasons we went from being the poorest country in the EEC in 1973 to now being ranked the 4th best country in the world in which to live by the UN. The electorate have always roundly rejected far left alternatives. And far right parties never even get off the ground. We like centrist politics. This is fairly simple stuff to get the head around tbh.

In 1977 FF+FG had 80% of the vote.
In 1987 FF+FG had 70% of the vote.
In 1999 FF+FG had 67% of the vote.
In 2011 FG+FF had 56% of the vote
In 2015 FG+FF had 50% of the vote.

Even if you include Labour as 'centre', the percentages go up but the trend is still downwards.

The center needs to buck up its performance or it ain't gonna hold.