Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

_Kaiser_

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

You’re a FF supporter, Kaiser. No harm in that at all, compadre, but at least be honest about it.

I'll be honest (as per the brief analysis of the electoral options I did on this thread a few days ago) and say that FF are probably the best of a very poor selection alright, and that we are effectively a one party state given historical results.

We don't have the population to sustain multiple different parties in any real numbers, our electoral system doesn't support it, and the only real alternative to FF are a party who consistently prove themselves even less suitable for Government. We all know SF (the third option) would be a disaster for this country - don't think anyone would deny that.

So yes, I suppose that makes me a FF supporter by default.

mike_cork

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

You’re a FF supporter, Kaiser. No harm in that at all, compadre, but at least be honest about it.

I am an office worker who gets up early in the morning & I do vote FG. But you (and others) sneering demeaner in your comments really hurt your end objective....Which is presumably to encourage others to vote for FG??
Shock horror, not everyone who criticizes a clearly disreputable person such as Bailey is a crank no matter how often you and others keep repeating that point.

JohnnyFlash

mike_cork wrote: »

And who says FG arent men of the people :rolleyes:

Most popular party in the State, amigo. Increased representation at local and European level. That’s a bitter pill to swallow for some of the followers of the parties of combat trousers and megaphones.

I’m not condoning Bailey’s actions by the way. Just don’t think it’s actually as big an issue as some of ye lads make out. Much bigger fish in the sea. Not big picture sort of fellas one would opine. More general operatives sorts who get a bit obsessed with one thing and can’t let it go.

mike_cork

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Most popular party in the State, amigo. Increased representation at local and European level. That’s a bitter pill to swallow for some of the followers of the parties of combat trousers and megaphones.

I’m not condoning Bailey’s actions by the way. Just don’t think it’s actually as big an issue as some of ye lads make out. Much bigger fish in the sea. Not big picture sort of fellas one would opine. More general operatives sorts who get a bit obsessed with one thing and can’t let it go.

Bigger fish in the sea like the national children’s hospital, the national broadband scheme (and the events center for those of us in cork) ?
I think you're failing to see that incidents like Bailey (which agreed on its own is relatively minor) feeds into a narrative of FG both being feckless with taxpayer’s money and completely out of touch.
Politics is all about narrative and if you think these issues adding up won’t affect FG's chances at the upcoming general election I think you're slightly misguided

FG now find themselves in a situation where the papers will drip feed this bailey thing over the next few weeks/months when a strong leader could have nipped it in the bud (and even used it as a Mea Culpa moment).

gmisk

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Most popular party in the State, amigo. Increased representation at local and European level. That’s a bitter pill to swallow for some of the followers of the parties of combat trousers and megaphones.

I’m not condoning Bailey’s actions by the way. Just don’t think it’s actually as big an issue as some of ye lads make out. Much bigger fish in the sea. Not big picture sort of fellas one would opine. More general operatives sorts who get a bit obsessed with one thing and can’t let it go.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/fine-gael-tds-concerned-by-latest-poll-figures-slump-931098.html
I am not so sure about that to be honest....


In the latest Behaviour and Attitudes poll, published in yesterday’s Sunday Times, Fianna Fáil was placed on top of the pile with an unchanged 28%.They were followed by Fine Gael on 23% (down 5 percentage points), Sinn Féin on 12% (down 7), the Greens on 11% (up 6), Labour on 5% (up 1), the Independent Alliance unchanged on 3%, Solidarity-PBP on 2% (down 1), and the Social Democrats unchanged on 1%.


By the way I am from Northern Ireland so I have no real allegiance to any party down here.


I think it is a big issue, its costing people when it comes to insurance etc.

Plumbthedepths

JohnnyFlash wrote:

Most popular party in the State, amigo. Increased representation at local and European level. That’s a bitter pill to swallow for some of the followers of the parties of combat trousers and megaphones.

Actually the most recent poll put FF as the most popular party in the state, but hey when has the truth ever bothered certain individuals. ;-)

mike_cork

gmisk wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/fine-gael-tds-concerned-by-latest-poll-figures-slump-931098.html
I am not so sure about that to be honest....


n the latest Behaviour and Attitudes poll, published in yesterday’s Sunday Times, Fianna Fáil was placed on top of the pile with an unchanged 28%.They were followed by Fine Gael on 23% (down 5 percentage points), Sinn Féin on 12% (down 7), the Greens on 11% (up 6), Labour on 5% (up 1), the Independent Alliance unchanged on 3%, Solidarity-PBP on 2% (down 1), and the Social Democrats unchanged on 1%.


By the way I am from Northern Ireland so I have no real allegiance to any party down here.


I think it is a big issue, its costing people when it comes to insurance etc.

FG had a once in a 100 years chance to destroy FF which in my view are a scourge on Ireland. Instead FG now find themselves trailing FF in the polls. I mean what does that say about the party????

Pedro K

mike_cork wrote: »

I am an office worker who gets up early in the morning & I do vote FG. But you (and others) sneering demeaner in your comments really hurt your end objective....Which is presumably to encourage others to vote for FG??
Shock horror, not everyone who criticizes a clearly disreputable person such as Bailey is a crank no matter how often you and others keep repeating that point.

I'm currently working as a research scientist. I wonder if, by Johnny's criteria, I'm allowed to criticise FG without being branded some kind of layabout. Because there is an awful lot to criticise FG about. (And lest he assume so, I'm not a FF supporter either. I don't subscribe to any single party)

Loafing Oaf

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

We all know SF (the third option) would be a disaster for this country - don't think anyone would deny that.

Even SF voters?

_Kaiser_

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Even SF voters?

SF voters by and large don't come out in any great numbers on the day.

SF (like the AAA and "Independents") have a useful function as watchdogs over the sitting Government (a function they performed pretty well over the last 7/8 years), but that's about it.

Loafing Oaf

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

SF voters by and large don't come out in any great numbers on the day.

They got nearly 300,000 FPVs in the last general election. You're saying none of those people actually want SF in government.

Plumbthedepths

Read Hugh's piece in the Indo about Bailey and Madigan. Seems Madigan processed Bailey's intial claim submitted to PIAB but the Dean was having none of the b*ll**** submitted by Bailey and Madigan and decided to fight it. Anyway article is on the Indo site can't link it.

ChikiChiki

mike_cork wrote: »

FG had a once in a 100 years chance to destroy FF which in my view are a scourge on Ireland. Instead FG now find themselves trailing FF in the polls. I mean what does that say about the party????

They are a rogue party whose policy infleuenced by corporations and big donators. Have watched them closely and their policy is rarely in the interest of those who elected them. They have the absolute brass neck to take credit for and big up the easy stuff like marriage equality and repeal both of which would have passed under any party.

I have no doubt many tribunals lie ahead from the past decade and we will look back and think "why did we let it all happen?" as we stare at a mountain of national debt.

mikeymouse

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Read Hugh's piece in the Indo about Bailey and Madigan. Seems Madigan processed Bailey's intial claim submitted to PIAB but the Dean was having none of the b*ll**** submitted by Bailey and Madigan and decided to fight it. Anyway article is on the Indo site can't link it.

Looks like Madigan dodged a bullet there, but it's still ricocheting around.

JPCN1

mikeymouse wrote: »

Looks like Madigan dodged a bullet there, but it's still ricocheting around.

Has she though? This 'exoneration' leak coming from a FG source from a report they hope will never see the light of day... sure that's grand so.

Plumbthedepths

mikeymouse wrote:

Looks like Madigan dodged a bullet there, but it's still ricocheting around.

Problem for Madigan is she is associated with a fraudulent claim, the inquiry may have given her a pass. Joe Public may not be so forgiven, see as it's the same Joe Public who suffers from the abuse of insurance claims.

mikeymouse

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Problem for Madigan is she is associated with a fraudulent claim, the inquiry may have given her a pass. Joe Public may not be so forgiven, see as it's the same Joe Public who suffers from the abuse of insurance claims.

If Bailey says Madigan only processed the claim form,and had no other input,
then Madigan is off the hook,even if she was in the 'swing'group on cctv.

Suckit

Does that suggest that Madigan was the one that gave Maria Bailey the advice?

Plumbthedepths

mikeymouse wrote:

If Bailey says Madigan only processed the claim form,and had no other input, then Madigan is off the hook,even if she was in the 'swing'group on cctv.

She was involved in processing a bullsh*t claim , she would as a solicitor offered advice. Bailey claimed she was told she had an 'ooen and shut' case. I doubt she is off the hook with public opinion as most see solicitors as one of the driving forces of the compo culture.

Plumbthedepths

Suckit wrote:

Does that suggest that Madigan was the one that gave Maria Bailey the advice?

She prepared the claim for PIAB so yes she would have offered advice, what exactly noone knows but Bailey claimed she was told she had an open and shut case. Make of that what you will.

ohnonotgmail

mikeymouse wrote: »

If Bailey says Madigan only processed the claim form,and had no other input,
then Madigan is off the hook,even if she was in the 'swing'group on cctv.

why do you think that? if madigan was the solicitor who submitted the exaggerated* claim to PIAB then she is in it up to her neck.


*i think i am very generous in describing it as exaggerated.

mikeymouse

Originally Posted by mikeymouse View Post
If Bailey says Madigan only processed the claim form,and had no other input,
then Madigan is off the hook,even if she was in the 'swing'group on cctv.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why do you think that? if madigan was the solicitor who submitted the exaggerated* claim to PIAB then she is in it up to her neck.


*i think i am very generous in describing it as exaggerated.

From report in today's Indo;Link

Plumbthedepths

mikeymouse wrote:

Originally Posted by mikeymouse View Post If Bailey says Madigan only processed the claim form,and had no other input, then Madigan is off the hook,even if she was in the 'swing'group on cctv.

Who exactly is she off the hook with though?

Suckit

I am hoping somebody can explain this to me please...

Culture Minister Josepha Madigan has said she is "very satisfied" with what a Fine Gael review into the Maria Bailey case says about her.
And
Varadkar satisfied Madigan has no questions to answer over Maria Bailey personal injury case.
Madigan has left her family law firm and is currently not practicing, so she couldn't have represented Bailey, It was still her family law firm though and it looks like she provided the advice and processes the claim form - They are the bad bits, no?

Would I be correct in thinking Leo and Madigan are quite literally bullshitting us, because they thought we wouldn't get to hear or see any of the review, yet they decided to talk about it?
This is blowing my tiny mind.
This is similar to stuff I used to see as a small child.
The only bit that Leo and Josepha focused on and spoke about was that it looked very good for Josepha and she has nothing to answer for (the public will never know otherwise, they'll have to believe us), yet it doesn't and she has.
Why else would they even mention it, after telling us that we are not going to be allowed to see it?

ohnonotgmail

mikeymouse wrote: »

Originally Posted by mikeymouse View Post
If Bailey says Madigan only processed the claim form,and had no other input,
then Madigan is off the hook,even if she was in the 'swing'group on cctv.

From report in today's Indo;Link

no, i meant why do you think that lets her off the hook? do you think she just filled in a form? that she didnt provide any advice whatsoever to Bailey?

Snow Garden

mikeymouse wrote: »

Originally Posted by mikeymouse View Post
If Bailey says Madigan only processed the claim form,and had no other input,
then Madigan is off the hook,even if she was in the 'swing'group on cctv.

From report in today's Indo;Link

Oh dear, the plot thickens.

The Irish Independent can reveal that Ms Madigan processed an application by her party colleague Ms Bailey to the statutory body that deals with personal injury claims.

That is quite damning for Madigan. Complicit now no matter what she says. More to come I imagine...

I love how the Fine Gael idiots are leaking the report details to the public in a slow release process to try and minimise the damage!

Muahahaha

Well that is Joespha Madigan confirmed as an ambulance chaser, there is no denying it now from the FG shills. The FG spin is that she had "minimal" involvement, I mean you would want to be some sucker to swallow that crap- she filled out and submitted the form to PIAB which means 1) She personally agreed to take the case and 2) She saw nothing wrong about suing the Dean Hotel with a frivolous claim.

So Leo has an ambulance chaser as a Minister while the rest of us are forced to stump up higher insurance costs. Says it all about Fine Gael, they are going to be goosed at the next election.

Snow Garden

Muahahaha wrote: »

Well that is Joespha Madigan confirmed as an ambulance chaser, there is no denying it now from the FG shills. The FG spin is that she had "minimal" involvement, I mean you would want to be some sucker to swallow that crap- she filled out and submitted the form to PIAB which means 1) She personally agreed to take the case and 2) She saw nothing wrong about suing the Dean Hotel with a frivolous claim.

So Leo has an ambulance chaser as a Minister while the rest of us are forced to stump up higher insurance costs. Says it all about Fine Gael, they are going to be goosed at the next election.

Yep its actually hard to fathom.
3 Fine Gael TDs up to their necks in it.

Odyssey 2005

They will be absolutely destroyed in the next election.

Muahahaha

Snow Garden wrote: »

Yep its actually hard to fathom.
3 Fine Gael TDs up to their necks in it.

The election poster prints itself, just need to get Madigan in there chasing an ambulance

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