Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

_Kaiser_

So reading the IT article it seems it's really a token effort from An Taoiseach as right at the end of the article it suggests that she'll retake the party whip before the next General Election.

So really what we have here is an attempt to close down the matter without any real sanction as she'll retain her seat and be welcomed back and put forward for selection as a FG candidate again before long.

I guess they're assuming the summer break, Boris and Brexit, and the kite flying about the Budget will be enough to sweep the matter under the rug. There's a line/reminder in the article too from Leo that the report will not be published. Case closed in other words from the FG perspective.

It's even more of a slap to those paying the price for such antics than I expected.

is_that_so

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So reading the IT article it seems it's really a token effort from An Taoiseach as right at the end of the article it suggests that she'll retake the party whip before the next General Election.

So really what we have here is an attempt to close down the matter without any real sanction as she'll retain her seat and be welcomed back and put forward for selection as a FG candidate again before long.

I guess they're assuming the summer break, Boris and Brexit, and the kite flying about the Budget will be enough to sweep the matter under the rug. There's a line/reminder in the article too from Leo that the report will not be published. Case closed in other words from the FG perspective.

It's even more of a slap to those paying the price for such antics than I expected.

To retain her seat she needs to be selected and elected. Neither of those things can be predicted at this point. She could be very popular in DL and very electable despite the offence that seems to cause other people.

_Kaiser_

is_that_so wrote: »

To retain her seat she needs to be selected and elected. Neither of those things can be predicted at this point. She could be very popular in DL and very electable despite the offence that seems to cause other people.

The point I'm making is that, that aside, FG are only doing this because of the public backlash and only for as long as they think necessary to shift the focus from her actions before they bring her back in.

Not out of any sort of recognition that such behaviours are against FG values or ethics and not to be tolerated.

JeffKenna

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

is_that_so wrote: »

To retain her seat she needs to be selected and elected. Neither of those things can be predicted at this point. She could be very popular in DL and very electable despite the offence that seems to cause other people.

The point I'm making is that, that aside, FG are only doing this because of the public backlash and only for as long as they think necessary to shift the focus from her actions before they bring her back in.

Not out of any sort of recognition that such behaviours are against FG values or ethics and not to be tolerated.

I missed that last line in the article on first reading. They're taking us as mugs if she'll be on the ticket again in a few months time.

lola85

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The point I'm making is that, that aside, FG are only doing this because of the public backlash and only for as long as they think necessary to shift the focus from her actions before they bring her back in.

Not out of any sort of recognition that such behaviours are against FG values or ethics and not to be tolerated.

I think we should stick to what we know.

We all thought nothing would happen and we were wrong.

Let’s wait and see.

is_that_so

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The point I'm making is that, that aside, FG are only doing this because of the public backlash and only for as long as they think necessary to shift the focus from her actions before they bring her back in.

Not out of any sort of recognition that such behaviours are against FG values or ethics and not to be tolerated.

It looks to me like they're doing it in response to their own report. I don't know what they'll do for the next GE but if she looks like a really good punt for a seat then she'll run. If not then someone else will run.

_Kaiser_

lola85 wrote: »

I think we should stick to what we know.

We all thought nothing would happen and we were wrong.

Let’s wait and see.

From the end of the article :

Paschal Donohoe, who is the Fine Gael director of organisation for the next general election, told his ministerial colleagues that further difficult decisions on election tickets will be made in the autumn. However, it is seen as likely that Ms Bailey would retake the party whip before the next election.

Sounds to me that the IT's source is pretty sure of that rather than something they're inferring themselves.

_Kaiser_

is_that_so wrote: »

It looks to me like they're doing it in response to their own report. I don't know what they'll do for the next GE but if she looks like a really good punt for a seat then she'll run. If not then someone else will run.

I'd disagree FG only commissioned the report in response to the public outcry and fully intending to be able to sweep the matter under the rug, and it's only because the Indo and social media haven't let up that now they're taking what amounts to a token and temporary gesture to try and close it down.

It's a cynical and insulting gesture to the public, but it's no more than I'd expect from FG.

Plumbthedepths

Madigan escaped, still her opponent in the next GE has some ammunition.

McMurphy

is_that_so wrote: »

It looks to me like they're doing it in response to their own report. I don't know what they'll do for the next GE but if she looks like a really good punt for a seat then she'll run. If not then someone else will run.

Never mind the voters in the rest of the country who may now show their disgust at fg by voting against them.

So long as Maria's seat in Dún Laoghaire looks a cert.

Plumbthedepths

_Kaiser_ wrote:

It's a cynical and insulting gesture to the public, but it's no more than I'd expect from FG.

It doesn't matter now what FG does. They have been shown to be ok with insurance fraud. Bailey and Farrell are now confirmed fraudsters and Madigan is now confirmed to be an ambulance chaser. Three TDs from the law and order party part of the reason why insurance premiums are so high, causing the loss of jobs cancellation of festivals/events.

ChikiChiki

is_that_so wrote: »

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So reading the IT article it seems it's really a token effort from An Taoiseach as right at the end of the article it suggests that she'll retake the party whip before the next General Election.

So really what we have here is an attempt to close down the matter without any real sanction as she'll retain her seat and be welcomed back and put forward for selection as a FG candidate again before long.

I guess they're assuming the summer break, Boris and Brexit, and the kite flying about the Budget will be enough to sweep the matter under the rug. There's a line/reminder in the article too from Leo that the report will not be published. Case closed in other words from the FG perspective.

It's even more of a slap to those paying the price for such antics than I expected.

To retain her seat she needs to be selected and elected. Neither of those things can be predicted at this point. She could be very popular in DL and very electable despite the offence that seems to cause other people.

I believe she is selected as a FG candidate for the next GE.

I think this is a token effort from Leo to appease everyone and save Jospeha Madigans skin. No doubt Maria Bailey is happy with this outcome too not having to face the fraud squad. It's not going far enough. Bailey, Madigan and Farrell should be out in their ear. He is fearing a Govt collapse.

Shefwedfan

It’s a load of BS if true, they will announce she has lost whip to try and kill the story

They will say they are looking for replacement and she will have to carry on her duties....then just keep her in position

This is Leo who already thought he could kil the story with some BS internal report

Plumbthedepths

Shefwedfan wrote:

It’s a load of BS if true, they will announce she has lost whip to try and kill the story

Too late FG are now associated with insurance fraud.

Shefwedfan

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Too late FG are now associated with insurance fraud.

The image attached of Leo and then all and insurance claim like a solicitors

We should all do a go fund me and print out huge posters, stick them outside every election boot at next election ......how you like those apples Leo :-)

Auguste Comte

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Too late FG are now associated with insurance fraud.

And are happy to have fraudsters on their team.

Its all about perception, if a little insurance fraud is acceptable within the parliamentary party then why not a little bribery.

If it's acceptable to present false photographs in an insurance claim for a FG TD then presenting false evidence to back up a false dole claim is OK?

Plumbthedepths

Auguste Comte wrote:

Its all about perception, if a little insurance fraud is acceptable within the parliamentary party then why not a little bribery.

Leo is happy to accept the support of M Lowery an individual found to be corrupt . Funny how DO'B fortunes changed when FG got power in 2011. Siteserv still under investigation.

banie01

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

For the amigos who keep inferring there's "nothing to see here" the "threads dead" and "only cranks are interested in it now".....

Now, according to this morning's Irish Times Leo is apparently set to announce that Bailey will lose the whip.

Took the guts of two months in fairness, long enough for all kinds of skeletons to be revealed and insurance fraud tales to be likened to.

Simple question lads, keeping the above in mind, when that story breaks next week, do you think this thread and or story will further die off, and no want will want to discuss it?

Answers on a postcard please, lads.:)

I'd love to know what Horse trading was done to ensure that after she loses the whip that she still votes with minority FG government?

I made a comment a few weeks ago that a senatorship was likely the outcome of this as long as Bailey kept her mouth shut.
I was half joking at the time, now though...
I think it's going to be a senatorship or a cushy quango seat...

ChikiChiki

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Auguste Comte wrote:

Its all about perception, if a little insurance fraud is acceptable within the parliamentary party then why not a little bribery.

Leo is happy to accept the support of M Lowery an individual found to be corrupt . Funny how DO'B fortunes changed when FG got power in 2011. Siteserv still under investigation.

Siteserv is the one that did it for me and was the big issue in the water charge protests. Absolutely ****ing treasonous behaviour with taxpayer assets.

Muahahaha

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It doesn't matter now what FG does. They have been shown to be ok with insurance fraud. Bailey and Farrell are now confirmed fraudsters and Madigan is now confirmed to be an ambulance chaser. Three TDs from the law and order party part of the reason why insurance premiums are so high, causing the loss of jobs cancellation of festivals/events.

Thats the long and short of it. Fine Gael are sending out a message loud and clear to the electorate that they are okay with insurance fraud. Here was me thinking that Leo is an astute political operator but this episode has revealed him pretty clueless and out of touch with the electorate. Perceptions are everything in politics and the party is now tarnished in a way that shows the public they're a bunch of hypocrites.

Muahahaha

Meanwhile the closure of viable businesses due to insurance costs looks set to get even worse

The insurance crisis has escalated after one of the last firms covering the leisure sector pulled out of the market. The move puts thousands of jobs at risk. UK operator LeisureInsure said it will not quote for new business from this week, and from the end of the month will cease all renewals.

It was one of the last few insurers covering event companies, bouncy castle operators, leisure centres, yoga classes, soccer teachers, drama classes, some play centres and a large number of leisure companies.Operators in the leisure sector largely rely on British insurers as Irish-based insurers are reluctant to provide cover in this area, citing large losses on what is called liability insurance.

Oxford-based LeisureInsure was a management agent for insurer AxaXL in this market.It dealt with insurance brokers and directly with policyholders.
The Alliance for Insurance Reform said thousands of businesses would not be able to get cover. The withdrawal of the insurer will hit the likes of play centres, paintballing and adventure centres.

Some estimates put the number of jobs at risk as high as 4,500, although some cover is being provided to the sector by brokers with access to a specialist division of Allianz.

"Our hearts go out to the small businesses affected by the LeisureInsure and AxaXL decisions," said Peter Boland, of the Alliance for Insurance Reform.
"These are friends, families, neighbours with otherwise perfectly viable businesses being closed due to something entirely outside their control."

https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/thousands-of-jobs-at-risk-after-main-insurer-for-leisure-sector-pulls-out-38329493.html

There is going to be a lot of business owners who voted for FG in the last election and are now seething with anger at them. Imagine your business going to the wall because of rising insurance costs while the party you voted for contains an ambulance chaser and two insurance fraudsters and a 'leader' who tries to sweep it all under the carpet. Fine Gael are literally shafting their own electorate, this will come back to bite them hard.

Balanadan

Headlines today about more companies closing due to rising insurance costs. This issue will drag along until the next election.

sydthebeat

Maybe I'm just thick.... But I can't see how losing the whip of any kind of a punishment?
She will still vote long party lines.... She still holds the committee positions she holds...
And she is reabsorbed into the party before the GE.


What's the punishment??

Loafing Oaf

Muahahaha wrote: »

There is going to be a lot of business owners who voted for FG in the last election and are now seething with anger at them. Imagine your business going to the wall because of rising insurance costs while the party you voted for contains an ambulance chaser and two insurance fraudsters and a 'leader' who tries to sweep it all under the carpet. Fine Gael are literally shafting their own electorate, this will come back to bite them hard.

Which other parties do you see as offering more pro-business policies?

spakman

sydthebeat wrote: »

Maybe I'm just thick.... But I can't see how losing the whip of any kind of a punishment?
She will still vote long party lines.... She still holds the committee positions she holds...
And she is reabsorbed into the party before the GE.


What's the punishment??

what punishment can the party apply other than removing the whip?

sydthebeat

spakman wrote: »

what punishment can the party apply other than removing the whip?

Did you read the article?

Suckit

spakman wrote: »

what punishment can the party apply other than removing the whip?

sydthebeat wrote: »

Did you read the article?

Party sources had previously said there were three options open to Mr Varadkar if he wanted to sanction Ms Bailey: replace her as chair of the Oireachtas housing committee, remove the party whip from her or deselect her as a general election candidate in Dún Laoghaire.

Regarding LeisureInsure pulling out, that will have drastic effect on everything. Are the claims from those that high? I have never heard of any myself but that doesn't mean anything.
Paintball, bouncy castles and inflatables, play centres among those affected.
Town festivals and events are going to be hit hard, stags/hens, activity weekends. All because people like Maria Bailey and Alan Farrell think nothing of suing to take a quick buck, because they can.



"around 10 British insurers pulled out of this market in the last three years."

JPCN1

The ancient festival of Puck Fair has to run a Go Fund Me Page to raise the money to cover the Insurance... Day after day week after week this nonsense continues with Judges and solicitors giving and demanding huge sums for trivial injuries like Bailey.

My own car insurance has doubled over the last 7 years with no claims and a similar vehicle. I'm quite sure this is familiar to most of you and business owners, medical practitioners etc are being hit much worse.

It looks like Leo has decided to throw everyone under the bus so as not to ruffle the feathers of the legal profession. If Bailey runs under the FG banner at the next election FG will lose power and the writing will be on the wall for LV.

tayto lover

In my humble opinion FG would have gained votes had they dumped Bailey and Farrell. They will suffer now because they allowed them to stay and will be seen as having more to hide for not getting rid of them.

Plumbthedepths

tayto lover wrote:

In my humble opinion FG would have gained votes had they dumped Bailey and Farrell. They will suffer now because they allowed them to stay and will be seen as having more to hide for not getting rid of them.

Didn't Madigan do well , she only looks like an ambulance chaser.