Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

Plumbthedepths

The Bishop Basher wrote:

The only outcome scarier then another FF / FG government would be the Greens getting their hands on power again.

Support for the vegetables already dropping away, 11 down to 7. They're ok for local no real ability to cause damage.

McMurphy

is_that_so wrote: »

Acronyms are quite useless if you have to keep explaining them.:P
And all I see are 3 seats, mostly I'm guessing because you want it to happen and because you imagine that other voters will think the same as you. I don't get Wallace, Podge and Rodge or Lowry yet local voters clearly do.

FG are running three in DL BTW so while Bailey might lose they could get a seat anyway. Madigan or AN other for FG looks to be a cert in Rathdown. They were at 30% share in 2016. Even a collapse to 20% would be a seat with proper vote management. As for Farrell well his seat back to the Dail looks a little bit easier now as vote-getter Clare Daly will be gone and that vote is likely to splinter.

Read into it as you like.

FINE GAEL CHIEFS TO DEAL TRIPLE WHAMMY TO MARIA BAILEY FOLLOWING SWING-GATE CONTROVERSY

Ms Bailey now finds herself under attack on three fronts as the party tries to chart a way out of its declining fortunes.

‘The party leadership intended taking the chair of the housing committee off her,’ said a senior party source. ‘However, ministers and TDs said that wasn’t sufficient. They want the whip removed. The reasoning is that her career is finished and she won’t win a seat.

‘We believe that with FF in ascendancy the general election will be decided by one or two seats.

‘The party has to be super ruthless. There are two councillors there, Barry Ward, and Jennifer O’Carroll McNeill, who is also a former government adviser and wife of Hugo McNeill. Maria losing the whip means she won’t be on a general election ticket. Leo is furious with her.’

You'd have to wonder if leo is a "crank on the internet"


On Madigan....

Another minister said: ‘The expected exoneration of Josepha (Madigan) has given Leo a free hand. Losing a TD is a nuisance but losing a minister would be a crisis.

‘Taking Bailey out is internally at least a risk-free action. There is, to put it mildly, no Maria Bailey faction within the party. She is isolated.’

One senior minister warned: ‘This has done us huge damage within our core vote. No-one is going to die in a ditch for Maria and, in truth, the Baileys never died in a ditch for anyone else.’

"Expected exoneration" how can Madigan be exonerated? She admitted to being part and parcel of the scam imo, and I'll tell you something else, The Bailey family (from what I have read about them so far) don't seem to be the type to go meekly, if there's more beans to be spilled on Josepha, and Bailey's thrown under a bus to save Madigan - expect the beans to be spilled all over the place.




Should inject a bit of fresh air into the thread this fine sunny Monday morning.

JohnnyFlash

Jesus, lads, this thread had dropped off the 1st page. Not good enough. I’ll bump it this time as I know it means a lot to some of ye, but you need to organise better in future - get someone in who can cover the difficult early and mid morning slot.

Loafing Oaf

is_that_so wrote: »

Rainbow is actually quite a solid option and has worked well enough in the past. There's no great antipathy between any of those and the Greens and Labour may have up to 15 seats between them. Scoop up a few well-behaving Indos and that's a government. All depends on how the seat totals divvy up for FG & FF.

Yes for that government to happen either FF or FG would need to be at least in the low 60s. FF looking the more likely to achieve that right now but I think it's more likely they'll end up neck and neck in the high 40s and the only option will be another deal between the two of them...

Odyssey 2005

Bouncy castle insurance (or lack of it) on SoR show. High claims and lack of govt action being blamed.

Plumbthedepths

JohnnyFlash wrote:

Jesus, lads, this thread had dropped off the 1st page. Not good enough. I’ll bump it this time as I know it means a lot to some of ye, but you need to organise better in future - get someone in who can cover the difficult early and mid morning slot.

It's enough that the national media ties FG to insurance fraud. This thread served its purpose for a bit of fun, you and your buddies attach way too much importance to it. Anyhoo Bailey getting it in the neck from her 'friends'. lol.

is_that_so

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Read into it as you like.

FINE GAEL CHIEFS TO DEAL TRIPLE WHAMMY TO MARIA BAILEY FOLLOWING SWING-GATE CONTROVERSY




You'd have to wonder if leo is a "crank on the internet"


On Madigan....


"Expected exoneration" how can Madigan be exonerated? She admitted to being part and parcel of the scam imo, and I'll tell you something else, The Bailey family (from what I have read about them so far) don't seem to be the type to go meekly, if there's more beans to be spilled on Josepha, and Bailey's thrown under a bus to save Madigan - expect the beans to be spilled all over the place.




Should inject a bit of fresh air into the thread this fine sunny Monday morning.

Numbers tend to be a whole lot more reliable than opinions. Parties work on the basis of what will be successful. Constituents do like a minister of their own and they will decide. Remember Lowry is still there despite the long-term contempt shown to him from many quarters.

is_that_so

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Yes for that government to happen either FF or FG would need to be at least in the low 60s. FF looking the more likely to achieve that right now but I think it's more likely they'll end up neck and neck in the high 40s and the only option will be another deal between the two of them...

Anything over 55 should be sufficient to form a government. A variation on what we have will do fine but it may be FG's turn to do the supporting.

McMurphy

is_that_so wrote: »

Anything over 55 should be sufficient to form a government. A variation on what we have will do fine but it may be FG's turn to do the supporting.

You'd think they'd just get on with it and merge.

mike_cork

How the backstop plays out could have a major impact on the formation of the next govt. Any perception of Leo buckling to British demands and it would lead to a collapse in FG support.

Also,you never know what other stories the papers will get their hands on between now and the next election (the last few months the indo in particular seem to have been breaking FG scandal after scandal).

JohnnyFlash

mike_cork wrote: »

How the backstop plays out could have a major impact on the formation of the next govt. Any perception of Leo buckling to British demands and it would lead to a collapse in FG support.

Also,you never know what other stories the papers will get their hands on between now and the next election (the last few months the indo in particular seem to have been breaking FG scandal after scandal).

That’s just Hugh O’Connell bringing an armful or half stories with him when he moved from the SBP to the Indo. Good sort of ‘silly season’ material. He’s about as popular in the Dail as a breakout of the clap at an army barracks, so I’d imagine he’s fairly sour at his colleagues getting more ‘proper stories’.

Loafing Oaf

is_that_so wrote: »

Anything over 55 should be sufficient to form a government.

And FG/FF + Greens+Lab et al government? Lab+Greens+SDs currently have 11 seats between them. Even if those parties get up to a combined 17/18 you're still a fair bit away from a majority.

Suckit

Fine Gael’s Maria Bailey is facing a triple whammy — losing the party whip, her committee chairmanship and potentially not being allowed to fill her late father’s council seat with a person of her choosing.

Why the fark should she be allowed to choose the person that fills another council seat??

Super Ruthless

:rolleyes:

Plumbthedepths

JohnnyFlash wrote:

That’s just Hugh O’Connell bringing an armful or half stories with him when he moved from the SBP to the Indo. Good sort of ‘silly season’ material. He’s about as popular in the Dail as a breakout of the clap at an army barracks, so I’d imagine he’s fairly sour at his colleagues getting more ‘proper stories’.

Ah I remember the glory days when the media was in love with FG, where did it all go wrong. ;-)

mike_cork

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

That’s just Hugh O’Connell bringing an armful or half stories with him when he moved from the SBP to the Indo. Good sort of ‘silly season’ material. He’s about as popular in the Dail as a breakout of the clap at an army barracks, so I’d imagine he’s fairly sour at his colleagues getting more ‘proper stories’.

A friend of mine is involved in FG and has said the same thing about Hugh :pac:

Suckit

Yeah, the 'proper' stories...

Shemale

mickdw wrote: »

Was a Mary Harney a few years back that actually got some control over the insurance industry. There was a couple of years where car insurance actually came down for everyone.
Didn't last long though.

She introduced PIAB (now Injuries Board), while a good idea, solicitors just tell their clients to reject the assesment and go to court. This results in more money paid to plaintiffs and legal eagles and more paid by Insurers and Policyholders.

Surely they could change IB powers so their assessment is a final take it or leave it. And for really complicated injuries they can be let proceed to court.

is_that_so

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

And FG/FF + Greens+Lab et al government? Lab+Greens+SDs currently have 11 seats between them. Even if those parties get up to a combined 17/18 you're still a fair bit away from a majority.

It's less about what seats they can get and more about the makeup of the Dail. It is far too fractured these days to be expected to deliver majority governments easily. It is a likely option for both of the larger parties to look at backed up by an arrangement similar to what we've had to date.

is_that_so

Suckit wrote: »

Why the fark should she be allowed to choose the person that fills another council seat??

:rolleyes:

It's actually the LA councillors who will decide that.

Charmeleon

Shemale wrote: »

She introduced PIAB (now Injuries Board), while a good idea, solicitors just tell their clients to reject the assesment and go to court. This results in more money paid to plaintiffs and legal eagles and more paid by Insurers and Policyholders.

Surely they could change IB powers so their assessment is a final take it or leave it. And for really complicated injuries they can be let proceed to court.

Do we know if Bailey’s claim went to the PIAB, if so can the hotel also refuse their assessment and go to court or does it come from the injured party side?

Plumbthedepths

Bailey's claim went to PIAB prepared by J Madigan. The Dean through their insurers refused to allow PIAB deal with it. Bailey filled her togs and withdrew her claim when she heard the Dean had CCTV. There is also reports the Press-up group ( owners of the Dean) is seeking their legal costs from Bailey.

Auguste Comte

If you support fraud then FG are the party for you. Insurance fraud, tax fraud, dole fraud. The best of people just led astray by easy money.

However if you believe that these things are wrong or you have suffered from a dodgy claim or feel aggrieved by the dole scammers then vote for someone else.

tototoe

is_that_so wrote: »

Anything over 55 should be sufficient to form a government. A variation on what we have will do fine but it may be FG's turn to do the supporting.

We do not need more of the same nonsense we have now. A variation of what we have currently will NOT do fine. It's a bloody mess.

is_that_so

tototoe wrote: »

We do not need more of the same nonsense we have now. A variation of what we have currently will NOT do fine. It's a bloody mess.

Numbers don't really lie. It looks like a fairly similar outcome in the next GE, with some falls for the left and a rise for the Greens.

tototoe

is_that_so wrote: »

Numbers don't really lie. It looks like a fairly similar outcome in the next GE, with some falls for the left and a rise for the Greens.

What numbers? Because opinion polls mean damn all and that's been proven a few times recently

is_that_so

tototoe wrote: »

What numbers? Because opinion polls mean damn all and that's been proven a few times recently

Local elections had both of them pegged in the mid twenties. Individual polls don't mean much but the trend since 2016 has them both in that 25-30% bracket and the rest of the votes scattered in all sort of directions. It's that which makes forming a majority government more difficult. I don't think there's a whole lot of scope for change given it'll be national effort to address Brexit, so it will be FF or FG with the others a number of seats distant. That's where we are now!

tototoe

is_that_so wrote: »

Local elections had both of them pegged in the mid twenties. Individual polls don't mean much but the trend since 2016 has them both in that 25-30% bracket and the rest of the votes scattered in all sort of directions. It's that which makes forming a majority government more difficult. I don't think there's a whole lot of scope for change given it'll be national effort to address Brexit, so it will be FF or FG with the others a number of seats distant. That's where we are now!

What has Brexit got to do with the next election seeing g as it won't happen before Brexit?

James Brown

tototoe wrote: »

What has Brexit got to do with the next election seeing g as it won't happen before Brexit?

Brexit will be used to dismiss and forget many an issue. You'll see it used as the go to response on several issues. A bad Brexit will be like Christmas for Fine Gael. They'll pull all sorts of strokes and dismiss any bad news with 'Brexit'.

James Brown

lola85 wrote: »

a billion over spend on a hospital and a broadband contract which hasn’t been signed yet and what’s the actual issue and incompetence with it? is somehow as bad as a 60 billion debt that we have to pay 2 billion back on every year and funding was cut to everything in the country due to their incompetence.

Some exaggerations going on here, FF are a total cancer on the history of this state.

FG are bad but FF are whole different level.

Jesus it’s depressing there is no one credible left to vote for only a few independents.

It's shameful that some feel they can cod people into ignoring a clear cut case, of blueshirt arrogance and entitlement with this kind of rhetoric.
We can be aghast at the Children's hospital over run, FG ignoring the homeless crisis, FG exacerbating the housing crisis and pass judgement on FG for their condoning of claims fraud all at the same time. Don't you worry

P.S.: If Fianna Fail are so bad, how come Fine Gael are in bed with them? Stability?

JeffKenna

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Brexit will be used to dismiss and forget many an issue. You'll see it used as the go to response on several issues. A bad Brexit will be like Christmas for Fine Gael. They'll pull all sorts of strokes and dismiss any bad news with 'Brexit'.

The very worrying concern I have is that FG will now actively look for a no deal in order to protect the party along the lines you mention above.