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Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

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    #7982
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,742 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    That the stance for some of the poster's has switched from Maria Bailey is a good person who was unfairly victimised for something everyone does.

    To throwing her under the bus to try and stem and further fallout is laughable.

    The decisions and actions taken, the advice offered and instructions and correspondence issued are all strongly indicative of both MB and JM having at the very best, poor ethics, poor judgement and questionable decision making skills.

    We are at a point in this process where JM certainly has more questions to answer than MB as to the timeline of advice offered, instructions received and correspondence issued.

    That there now is a concerted effort by FG to deflect and ignore, and by posters here to do the same is a strange synchronicity don't you think?


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    #7983
    WishUWereHere
    Registered Users Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    is_that_so wrote: »
    The story will go where it wants regardless of what I do. I think it's really a story about one individual.


    We have had Johnny flash on defending FG, then Paddy, last weekend we had Chinese Whispers, always in the background thanking the 3 for their contributions is ES, and now you. Face it, you are arguing an uphill Everest.

    Oh and for your information, I am not only on about one person, there is also AF, JM, & being the leader of the party they are members of, LV.


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    #7984
    Chiparus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    If she lied about this on national radio then she should lose the whip.

    Leo said she lied and she still kept the whip;


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    #7985
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 55,614 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Chiparus wrote: »
    Leo said she lied and she still kept the whip;

    When did he say she lied?

    That’s a serious claim, if he made it.

    Taking it you understand what a lie is, strictly speaking?

    Example: Saying something that is untrue is not necessarily a lie..


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    #7986
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    She didn't lie, she just overstated her injuries, and there was numerous inconsistencies told to both him (Leo) and the media that couldn't be reconciled.

    Also, theres the small matter of stating on an affidavit that you were once an avid runner, but couldn't run "at all for 3 months" in an annual event, she undoubtedly ran in before (kinda hard to forget the year you fell off a swing so) yet ran it 3 weeks later in only a few seconds over their personal best. Hard to assume that completely slipped her mind, smelt like BS to most of us.

    If a commoner pulled such a stunt - that would be a black lie and no mistake.

    Government party TD? Just an inconsistent overstatement.


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    #7987
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    walshb wrote: »
    When did he say she lied?

    That’s a serious claim, if he made it.

    Taking it you understand what a lie is, strictly speaking?

    Example: Saying something that is untrue is not necessarily a lie..

    Correct he did not say she lied here's what he did say.
    Leo Varadkar wrote:
    There have been inconsistencies in Deputy Bailey's account of events


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    #7988
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users Posts: 4,561 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    walshb wrote: »
    Chiparus wrote: »
    Leo said she lied and she still kept the whip;

    When did he say she lied?

    That’s a serious claim, if he made it.

    Taking it you understand what a lie is, strictly speaking?

    Example: Saying something that is untrue is not necessarily a lie..

    Out of interest, do you think she lied when she said she couldn't run for 3 months or when she stated she only wanted €6k or €7k to cover medical bills.


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    #7989
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    walshb wrote: »
    When did he say she lied?

    That’s a serious claim, if he made it.

    Taking it you understand what a lie is, strictly speaking?

    Example: Saying something that is untrue is not necessarily a lie..


    What do you class as a lie and not a lie?


    SAying you only wanted medical expenses of 6-7k but you first put up a case for 60k, but also sent a letter for 20k and also admitted that health insurance paid for it


    Or did you lie when you couldnt run for 3 month but done a run 10 days after


    Or didnt lie when submitting a case saying you where not at fault when you admit to holding a drink and trying to grab a bottle of wine


    Do we need to continue?


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    #7990
    Chiparus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    walshb wrote: »
    When did he say she lied?

    That’s a serious claim, if he made it.

    Taking it you understand what a lie is, strictly speaking?

    Example: Saying something that is untrue is not necessarily a lie..

    "There have been inconsistencies in Deputy Bailey's account of events to me and the media that I cannot reconcile", Leo Varadkar


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    #7991
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Spot of bother for Josepha and something far more likely to cause her grief. Just can't get the staff these days!

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/minister-josepha-madigan-branded-a-disgrace-over-letter-about-methadone-clinic-38363974.html


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    #7992
    Cork Boy 53
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    Chiparus wrote: »
    "There have been inconsistencies in Deputy Bailey's account of events to me and the media that I cannot reconcile", Leo Varadkar

    When is a lie not a lie? When it is an "inconsistency".:rolleyes:


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    #7993
    Chiparus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    When is a lie not a lie? When it is an "inconsistency".:rolleyes:

    I think the bit " I cannot reconcile" i.e "I dont believe her" is telling.


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    #7994
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Spot of bother for Josepha and something far more likely to cause her grief. Just can't get the staff these days!

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/minister-josepha-madigan-branded-a-disgrace-over-letter-about-methadone-clinic-38363974.html


    Well to be fair nobody wants a shower of junkies knocking around the estate after spendig stupid money on a house


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    #7995
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭pablo128


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Well to be fair nobody wants a shower of junkies knocking around the estate after spendig stupid money on a house

    Not a dig but what's the alternative? Having them break in and rifle through your personal belongings for cash for their next fix?

    They need to be treated in order for them to be in a position to not have to rob people. Addicts come from all walks of life. Not just working class areas.


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    #7996
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    WishUWereHere wrote: »
    We have had Johnny flash on defending FG, then Paddy, last weekend we had Chinese Whispers, always in the background thanking the 3 for their contributions is ES, and now you. Face it, you are arguing an uphill Everest.

    Oh and for your information, I am not only on about one person, there is also AF, JM, & being the leader of the party they are members of, LV.
    This is just differences of opinion and I've stated my views on all of this more than once. I don't see continuously excoriating anyone that suits you is a terribly useful form of discussion but have at it.


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    #7997
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    WishUWereHere wrote: »
    Take JM out of the picture, when she is an intricate part of the whole episode?

    You are joking, right?
    Think it's been established that is unknown except to you apparently.


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    #7998
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Well to be fair nobody wants a shower of junkies knocking around the estate after spendig stupid money on a house
    Not that I'd necessarily be in favour but equally wouldn't be too impressed if my local TD was sending that out. Then again maybe that's what excites voters in Ballinteer!


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    #7999
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Maria Bailey has uttered many many untruths since she fell off that swing with 2 bottles in her hand.

    Even during the SOR interview she was contradicting herself.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/transcript-of-maria-bailey-interview-on-sean-o-rourke-show-1.3905867
    Sean, let me tell you why I’m not going there. I wasn’t able to go home for three days last week because journalists were sitting outside my home. That is an invasion of my privacy and humanity has been crossed.
    I had to lock myself away and work from home this week with the exception of going into the Oireachtas to do my job.

    There are legitimate expenses that are verified, you’re only talking, €6,000 - €7,000 here
    You’re filling out an affidavit three years after the event, you do that with the best of intentions, but you know that prior to that going before the judge that you can amend that affidavit.
    I never claimed for compensation. The hotel agreed to pay my medical expenses.
    Now, that’s not a level playing pitch, as somebody who grew up on the sideline of a GAA pitch, I play fair, I don’t play offside.

    There is no offside in football or camogie.


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    #8000
    mad muffin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    pablo128 wrote: »
    Not a dig but what's the alternative? Having them break in and rifle through your personal belongings for cash for their next fix?

    They need to be treated in order for them to be in a position to not have to rob people. Addicts come from all walks of life. Not just working class areas.

    It’s true. Doesn’t matter were they start. Without help they all end up in the gutter.


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    #8001
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    8000 replies. A few hundred thousand views. The thread is thriving.

    In a well functioning democracy accountability is first and foremost. Well done all.


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    #8002
    Chiparus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Maria Bailey has uttered many many untruths since she fell off that swing with 2 bottles in her hand.

    Even during the SOR interview she was contradicting herself.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/transcript-of-maria-bailey-interview-on-sean-o-rourke-show-1.3905867










    There is no offside in football or camogie.

    7000 in medical expenses seems a lot for a soft tissue injury.


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    #8003
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    walshb wrote: »
    Chiparus wrote: »
    Leo said she lied and she still kept the whip;

    When did he say she lied?

    That’s a serious claim, if he made it.

    Taking it you understand what a lie is, strictly speaking?

    Example: Saying something that is untrue is not necessarily a lie..

    You can be as pedantic as you like with words but the fact remains that Leo Vradkar and Fine Gael are happy to have people in their parliamentary party who are willing to be dishonest in order to get money that they are not entitled to.

    It begs the question how many more members are doing things they shouldn't be in order to line their pockets safe in the knowledge that even if they are rumbled their place in the government / party is safe.

    Vote Fine Gael for an ethics free government.


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    #8004
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 55,614 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Chiparus wrote: »
    "There have been inconsistencies in Deputy Bailey's account of events to me and the media that I cannot reconcile", Leo Varadkar

    Like I asked, where did he make a claim that she lied.

    Accusing someone of lying is quite a serious claim. Always has been.

    He was careful with how he worded it, and rightly so...


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    #8005
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 55,614 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    When is a lie not a lie? When it is an "inconsistency".:rolleyes:

    Read up on what a lie is..


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    #8006
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 55,614 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    What do you class as a lie and not a lie?


    SAying you only wanted medical expenses of 6-7k but you first put up a case for 60k, but also sent a letter for 20k and also admitted that health insurance paid for it


    Or did you lie when you couldnt run for 3 month but done a run 10 days after


    Or didnt lie when submitting a case saying you where not at fault when you admit to holding a drink and trying to grab a bottle of wine


    Do we need to continue?

    No need to ask me anything.

    I was responding to a poster regarding Leo..ask him.


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    #8007
    Chiparus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    walshb wrote: »
    Like I asked, where did he make a claim that she lied.

    Accusing someone of lying is quite a serious claim. Always has been.

    He was careful with how he worded it, and rightly so...

    You dont think Varadkar said she was telling lies?


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    #8008
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    walshb wrote: »
    Like I asked, where did he make a claim that she lied.

    Accusing someone of lying is quite a serious claim. Always has been.

    He was careful with how he worded it, and rightly so...

    Play with words all you want

    The whole story is one lie after another....Leo cannot come out and confirmed she lied because he has tried to hide the story for 3 months now

    Nobody is trying to claim she lied, she went onto radio and lied....she could play the high ground apart from the interview

    Did she lie? Yes
    Can she be trusted? No

    That’s all that matters


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    #8009
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,586 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Seeing as this whole affair blew up because she was caught out telling lies, namely saying she couldn't run for 3 months yet ran a decent 10k 3 weeks after the incident.....

    Makes this whole thesaurus searching word play crap moot.

    She lied, she was caught out.... And more lies were discovered after that.


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    #8010
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 55,614 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Chiparus wrote: »
    You dont think Varadkar said she was telling lies?

    He didn't. This is clear-cut...:p

    Not sure why I need to explain this..

    Leo did not claim or accuse that MB was telling lies...

    Had he done so, he himself could have found himself in a spot of bother.

    He was careful with how he worded his views on it

    Does he believe or think she told lies? Possibly. Only he can answer this.


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    #8011
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 55,614 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Nobody is trying to claim she lied, she went onto radio and lied....she could play the high ground apart from the interview

    Did she lie? Yes
    Can she be trusted? No

    That’s all that matters

    A poster said that Leo said that MB was telling lies

    I pointed out that this was untrue. No more no less...


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