Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

mcmoustache

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Sit a two year old on a swing like that and their two little hands will instinctively reach for the rope and grab it .

But if you get the baby drunk and put a bottle in each hand, the toddler would probably meet the same fate. And you might get arrested.

Zillah

suicide_circus wrote: »

if she had put the hands up and said, yeah look i made a mistake, she'd still get slagged but it would have taken the wind out of the story.

She should have just stayed quiet. What exactly would she be admitting to? "Yes I deliberately lied and tried to squeeze thousands of euro from an innocent hotel because I injured myself". That explicit confession would be used as a bat against her and Fine Gael for a lifetime.

So will that interview, of course.

Shefwedfan

Idbatterim wrote: »

I posted the below a few pages back, but I'm going to post it again, because the question is an actual gem!

SOR to MB- "what about people who say you might not be fit to represent FG, as it as party of integrity and doing the right thing"

:pac::D:rolleyes:

Well if FG think that is actually true then they need to boot her first thing in the morning....

Alrigghtythen

suicide_circus wrote: »

if she had put the hands up and said, yeah look i made a mistake, she'd still get slagged but it would have taken the wind out of the story. but she didnt. she doubled down and made a holy show of herself leaving the other people who followed her on the show, including a party colleague, utterly gobsmacked. i dont like to see anyone kicked while theyre down but she has no one to blame but herself here.

If she put her hands up, she might fall over

suicide_circus

suicide_circus wrote: »

if she had put the hands up and said, yeah look i made a mistake, she'd still get slagged but it would have taken the wind out of the story. but she didnt. she doubled down and made a holy show of herself leaving the other people who followed her on the show, including a party colleague, utterly gobsmacked. i dont like to see anyone kicked while theyre down but she has no one to blame but herself here.

She could have made a sort of virtue out if saying she thought better than to proceed, ie to give better example to would-be litigants with injuries on the less severe end of the scale.

She might have said: “Séan, I came to realise that cost of insurance is becoming an issue these days, and felt it my responsibility to cease pursuance of the case. The fact is I was injured, and as a very fit athlete it did curtail the extent to which I could enjoy my activities as I was in pain, but then again I thought better than to go through with it”.

Tin Foil Hat

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I'll be honest and go slightly against the polished grain.

It seems a daft thing to have in a pub / hotel.

Also - there is a massive difference between a real genuine injury and a fake claim - seems to be lost in story.

Even if the injury is real, the claim can still be fake, if the injury is entirely your own fault. She allegedly injured herself on swing, ffs. It's a child's toy.

Eggs For Dinner

Deleted User wrote: »

Supposing it went to court and the judge found there was no substance in the claim and ruled in the hotel’s favour, then she could be liable for defendant’s costs, the court fees, the expert witness medical consultants’ fees, and her own lawyer’s time. It may be that the hotel made an undisclosed settlement or that her lawyer, upon seeing an expert witness report that wasn’t in her favour, advised against proceeding further.

It could very be that the hotel's insurers are disappointed she dropped this case. They may well have had all this information in reserve. If it went to court and they won with costs, she would be a handy mark to recover their outlay, with all the positive publicity that would follow

Too often, insurers win their cases, but to follow a penniless claimant for costs is throwing good money after bad

py2006

Has she blamed the backlash on misogyny yet??

tinpib

Be right back wrote: »

Took my 18 month old niece to the playground! Even she knew to hold onto the swing!!

Get her to hold a full bottle of beer, that you bought but didn't consume, and try again and report back!

Shefwedfan

To be fair she could of done 100 different version of that interview and it would have been better

First she took no blame
It was fault of journalist, other parties, member of her own party, keyboard warriors etc etc

Never once said she was in wrong, she was given legal advice that told her to claim. Why would she claim if she didnt?

Never once fully said she was at fault for falling. That was for the judge to decide. She is not legal.

In the end she thought the best option was to try and make it sexist by saying she is a working mother and thats why people are after her?????

In all of these I had no idea if she has kids/married or anything. To be honest I couldn't give a sh*t if she does or doesn't.

It was the worst possible outcome. If Leo doesn't boot her then he might look over at Therese in the UK and get some advice on resignation speechs, because he wont last long....one tip Leo, dont do the stupid little cry at the end

FixdePitchmark

tinpib wrote: »

Get her to hold a full bottle of beer, that you bought but didn't consume, and try again and report back!

Not only that . Posh hotel on Southside .

Wine beer a good 35 euro round

Shefwedfan

py2006 wrote: »

Has she blamed the backlash on misogyny yet??

Oh yes that came into it at the end, more or less saying she was picked on because she is a working mother.....

A real fighter for the womens cause this one!!!!

Be right back

tinpib wrote: »

Get her to hold a full bottle of beer, that you bought but didn't consume, and try again and report back!

I will! Will have just the one glass of wine before I leave!! I am more the couch and pjs type person!!

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

It shows what a joke the compensation culture is in this country. It needs to be ripped to pieces root and stem.

extra gravy

Did I hear right that the affadavit wasn't filed until 3 years after the incident and that's why there were mistakes re: some of the details?

Suckit

I'd say she is cursing Charlie Flanagan somewhere. His Press advisor is Sean O'Rourkes wife (yeah, they're all intertwined), she has blamed everything/everyone else, he's due some now.

Her father has some form too..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bailey_(Irish_politician)

Quote:

Fake endorsement letter incident

On 23 May 2007, the eve of the general election in Ireland, Bailey circulated a letter purporting to be an official missive from the Fine Gael party, advising party supporters to vote No 1 for Bailey for vote management reasons. The letter was headed with a photo of the party leader, Enda Kenny. This action was subsequently criticised by his running mate, Eugene Regan who called the letter 'entirely dishonest'. Fine Gael's local director of elections, Paddy Hayes, described the letter as a 'serious breach of party discipline and unity'.[1][2]

Missing Golf club planning objection

In 2009, Bailey wrote to constituents in the vicinity of Dun Laoghaire Golf Club to inform them that he had submitted an objection to An Bord Pleanála concerning building development proposed for the Golf club grounds. The appeals body denied receiving an objection from Bailey. Bailey stated it must have gone missing in the post and that his bank was trying to trace the cheque for his submission fee. The Sunday Business Post and Sunday Tribune both reported that Bailey and his daughter had received financial donations towards their election campaigns from the builders and the estate agents of the Golf Club development. Bailey assured the public that the donations had no bearing on his failure to object to the development.[1][2][permanent dead link][3][permanent dead link]

Legal action over candidate selection

Less than two years after the criticism by Eugene Regan of John Bailey, Regan's 25-year-old daughter, Naja, sought to be selected to run as a Fine Gael candidate in the 2009 local elections. The initial selection convention in November 2008 was cancelled at short notice following a letter written by the Fine Gael's three sitting councillors (including John Bailey) to the FG executive council declaring their "unanimous view" that they should be the only candidates selected to run in the ward.[3]

The selection convention was held in February 2009. Naja Regan was prevented from contesting the selection process by order of the national executive council of Fine Gael. She responded by seeking a High Court injunction against Fine Gael for failing to follow its own procedures.[4]

The case was settled out of court when Regan agreed not to contest the election but to be the first substitute candidate for he council in the event of a Fine Gael member ceasing to be a councillor during the term of the council.[5]

Undeclared donations from developers

The Irish Times reported in August, 2010 that Bailey had received donations from a local developer, Devondale Holdings Ltd, that he failed to declare to the Standards in Public Office Commission. Bailey said he would return the donation straight away. “I’ve always declared everything and I’m not ashamed of anything I’ve done. Everything I do is straight on the table. I work 6½ days a week for Dún Laoghaire. Nobody has been stronger against developers,” he said.[6] Subsequently, the Sunday Tribune reported that he had also received undeclared donations in breach of SIPO rules, from Cosgrave Developments Ltd, the developer of the Dun Laoghaire Golf Course scheme.[7]

Fake newspaper endorsement

In 2013, Bailey issued a leaflet designed to look like a local newspaper, the Dun Laoghaire Gazette. The "newspaper" appeared to endorse Bailey, and painted him in a positive light. The Dublin Gazette group denied any involvement in the leaflet, and sought an apology from Bailey. He said that he had "no problem in apologising", but didn't "see what the big deal is". Fine Gael distanced themselves from the leaflet, saying that they would not "condone or support" such literature. This breach of copyright was facilitated by Niall Mescall, managing Director of Reads Design & Print Sandyford & Dun Laoghaire. Mr Mescall instructed staff into editing an article about amgen and the National Rehabilitation Hospital indicating Gazette Group Newspapers had given permission for use in this way. It was reported that John Bailey had delivered approximately 300 of these leaflets to his constituents, however closer to 3000 were actually produced. For this john Bailey paid Niall Mescall C/o Reads Design & Print in Dun Laoghaire approximately €600.[8]

ChikiChiki

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

It shows what a joke the compensation culture is in this country. It needs to be ripped to pieces root and stem.

Start with the judiciary and the legal leeches. In this instance it just happens to be a ministers legal firm.

daithi7

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0527/1051931-maria-bailey/

She's some crooked cookie.

Zero integrity.

Lies in her affidavit.

No apology to anyone. The hotel, the insurance company, other policy holders, her party, none.

Still thinks she was the one who was hurt: ...'I was hurt...' . Yes but it was all self inflicted.

Essentially she was under the influence of alcohol, she fell off a swing in a hotel and got a few cuts and grazes and maybe needed a bit of physio after it(it;'s hard to believe anything she alludes to tbh). She was at a conccert festival 1 week later and ran a 10k in a good time 3 weeks later. There was nothing really wrong with her.

But she felt she could submit a fraudulent claim for 60k against a hotel bar and lied in her affidavit to seek that compensation for which she felt and (gathering from the interview) still feels entitled.

Fine Gael should throw the book at her and her electorate should never vote for her again. She has zero integrity!!!

Mrsmum

Chatting to someone earlier and he was saying part of the reason people and their solicitors in compo culture land put in for big claims is so as to bully the other side to settle for a lesser sum. So they never expect to get the bigger sum in the first place, it's part of a negotiating trick. If that is true and is what she was at, it's hypocritical of her to be whinging about being bullied herself and also far from her nonsense of it being up to a judge to decide if her game was to never let it near a judge.

Shefwedfan

extra gravy wrote: »

Did I hear right that the affadavit wasn't filed until 3 years after the incident and that's why there were mistakes re: some of the details?

The lies all got too much at that stage


More or less she is trying to say now it was filed but it is up till the court case she has to change her mind about what happened


Strangest thing is normally your memory is best after the event, not 3-4 years later when in court. So all legal companies will get as much down as possible of what really happened before you forget it.


So reading between the lines. She filled a story full of lies into her affadavit. The hope was that the hotel would just settle out of court and she would get a big whack so she would never have togo to court and say a pile of lies.



The issue is it came out and now she is back peddling saying that the legal company made a "mistake" when they interviewed her and got the story wrong so she has now changed it. But because she is such a good person she has decided to withdraw the complaint now.....

Junkyard Tom

Yurt! wrote: »

Coveney ... makes an excellent Foreign Minister ... this government would be a hell of a lot more palatable if he was Taoiseach;

Thankfully he's in the key position for this Brexit business, Leo would be completely out of his depth.

JeffKenna wrote: »

What exactly have they done that anyone else couldn't do?

Nothing, I'm just saying that it'd be no harm if the current crowd stayed where they are for continuity during Brexit.

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Tis time for us to move on from parties such as ff & fg

I agree.

expectationlost

Laois_Man wrote: »

You can play it here

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0527/1051931-maria-bailey/

Toe curling!

could SOR have pressed Maira Bailey on the wrong dates in the affidavit more...

Shefwedfan

Mrsmum wrote: »

Chatting to someone earlier and he was saying part of the reason people and their solicitors in compo culture land put in for big claims is so as to bully the other side to settle for a lesser sum. So they never expect to get the bigger sum in the first place, it's part of a negotiating trick. If that is true and is what she was at, it's hypocritical of her to be whinging about being bullied herself and also far from her nonsense of it being up to a judge to decide if her game was to never let it near a judge.

That is standard and as mentioned she probably expected to get a lump outside of court as most insurance companies now prefer to just settle. They will get no proper hearing in court. It only goes to court when the greedy f**k on the other side thinks they can get more from a judge....


If settled outside of court then none of her bulls**t lies would have come out, which more or less she admitted in the interview saying all the documents should have been sealed.

Sir Oxman

The follow up podcast is worth a listen, a few people commenting on it including the terrier Fionnan Sheehan (Indo editor) plus Regina Doherty's interview

Alison O'Connor was "clutching her pearls" and imagines from "Leo down there's FGers in the recovery position going O M G"

GUBU!

https://www.rte.ie/radio1/today-with-sean-o-rourke/#103123141

Simple_Simone

Sir Oxman wrote: »

The follow up podcast is hilarious, a few people commenting on it including the terrier Fionnan Sheehan (Indo editor) plus Regina Doherty's interview

GUBU!

https://www.rte.ie/radio1/today-with-sean-o-rourke/#103123141

To rehash the cliché, the main reason that Regina Doherty opens her mouth is so she can switch foot.

Mrsmum

Sir Oxman wrote: »

The follow up podcast is hilarious, a few people commenting on it including the terrier Fionnan Sheehan (Indo editor) plus Regina Doherty's interview

Alison O'Connor was "clutching her pearls" and imagines from "Leo down there's FGers in the recovery position going O M G"

GUBU!

https://www.rte.ie/radio1/today-with-sean-o-rourke/#103123141

So glad they were there in studio to comment on it because their comments were hilarious.

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The lies all got too much at that stage


More or less she is trying to say now it was filed but it is up till the court case she has to change her mind about what happened


Strangest thing is normally your memory is best after the event, not 3-4 years later when in court. So all legal companies will get as much down as possible of what really happened before you forget it.


So reading between the lines. She filled a story full of lies into her affadavit. The hope was that the hotel would just settle out of court and she would get a big whack so she would never have togo to court and say a pile of lies.



The issue is it came out and now she is back peddling saying that the legal company made a "mistake" when they interviewed her and got the story wrong so she has now changed it. But because she is such a good person she has decided to withdraw the complaint now.....

She will now probably sue Madigans solicitors for their errors, affording her loss of face in the public eye and loss of income.

silverharp

maria bailey is an anagram of ...... i may be a liar

Be right back

Anyone know much about her aer lingus case?

McMurphy

https://twitter.com/JukeBox06091082/status/1133005309369298945?s=19



Spat my tea over the PC:D

cannotlogin

I think people may have forgiven the insurance claim incident possibly until the interview.

But the interview was astounding...

- Zero self awareness
- Clearly not clever enough to realise that she would be out of her depth
- No anticipation of any of the questions - SOR didn't even have to ask any unpredictable questions
- Caused further damage to Josepha Madigan & Madigan solicitors
- Blamed absolutely everybody else
- Didn't seek the opinions of FG HQ
- Takes a cut at both Michael McDowell & Michael Martin too
- Caught lying about her running times (see balls.ie article)
- played both the bullying and the female card

Despite her back injury, she still had no difficulty putting her foot in her mouth or digging a hole for herself. :-)

In terms of political car crash interviews, I think it even tops P O'Flynn "houses" interview.

At least when applying for her new job, she should have no difficulties with the "what are your weaknesses?" question......balance, public speaking,

The whole thing is unbelievable!

ToBeFrank123

VinLieger wrote: »

Indeed she maintained her average time going of the records people have found which after an "injury" and 3 weeks of not running she would have been unlikely able to do.

With the limited experience I have of running there's very little chance she did no training for 3 or more weeks before the race.

Alrigghtythen

while holding a bottle of beer and reaching for her friend's bottle of wine she slipped to the ground.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0527/1051931-maria-bailey/

LOL

frankythefish

Gawd she came out of that interview looking worse than when she went in. Which is hard to imagine. Fair play to Simon Harris(he is related to her right?) for slating her after the interview. What i noticed mainly was how it was all about her and her being the victim. She did not come across as a person I would like to know personally. I don't think she realises yet that her reputation and her political career have been damaged extensively as a result of her lies/actions etc. Her blaming of everybody else came across as quite childlike.

lawred2

Sir Oxman wrote: »

The follow up podcast is worth a listen, a few people commenting on it including the terrier Fionnan Sheehan (Indo editor) plus Regina Doherty's interview

Alison O'Connor was "clutching her pearls" and imagines from "Leo down there's FGers in the recovery position going O M G"

GUBU!

https://www.rte.ie/radio1/today-with-sean-o-rourke/#103123141

She's toast. Quite clear where Regina's thought process is at.

normanoffside

Sorry about that wrote: »

I would love to know what her best 10k time is, as she said the 53 mins wasn't good 'for her'. Just to know if she was bs'ing about that too.

Well she has gotten worse since. She finished a munte slower again in 2017

https://www.myrunresults.com/events/dlr_bay_10k/2147/results/bib61?fbclid=IwAR0BIc1ul3utpiNJ5wH9vQWSqZdQREiLPtIMfQZcrYC1-0FSzkbDur8-Duo

Suckit

Transcript of the interview is here - https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/transcript-of-maria-bailey-interview-on-sean-o-rourke-show-1.3905867
I'm stumped at a few things she says, but this:

SOR: Did you come under pressure from the Taoiseach or anybody in the party?

MB: Absolutely not, it was a private matter. This happened long before I was a TD. I was a councillor at the time.

Was she not with FG when she was a councillor, and why would something happening as a councillor be less public/relevant than as a TD?

I get that councillors are local, but surely it would still be relevant that a public figure is attempting insurance fraud?

Itssoeasy

So in the space of one interview of about twenty minutes she managed to annoy the FG Top brass, got her colleague Regina Doherty to comment on something she never expected to, has possibly made it very uncomfortable with Josepha madigan by what she implied, and got other ministers to preform the disco stu move of getting as far away from her as possible. In fairness that's some doing in one interview.

Sir Oxman

Sir Oxman wrote: »

The follow up podcast is worth a listen, a few people commenting on it including the terrier Fionnan Sheehan (Indo editor) plus Regina Doherty's interview

Alison O'Connor was "clutching her pearls" and imagines from "Leo down there's FGers in the recovery position going O M G"

GUBU!

https://www.rte.ie/radio1/today-with-sean-o-rourke/#103123141

Alison O'Connor is a gem (a clutch of pearls, if you like).

Thought she was extremely fair in her commentary. Obviously reeling, like the rest of us, but still questioned whether the story merited daily headlines in a national 'broadsheet'.

Can't understand why AO'C hasn't been given her own slot on radio or TV. I can only assume she doesn't want one.

One of the most balanced and talented journalists at work on this island.

Itssoeasy

lawred2 wrote: »

She's toast. Quite clear where Regina's thought process is at.

Yeah Regina Doherty was going on to talk about the election results and probably a bog standard post election interview which she's probably done many times. Instead she was first up to try and make some sense of that mess people had just heard.

Suckit

SOR: Just clarify one thing, did you have something in each hand when this happened?

MB: That would have been a case for the judge to adjudicate on ...

SOR: What is your recollection?

MB: Sean, I am not opening a trial here.

SOR: It’s a legitimate question to ask you because you came here to talk about this whole case and why you’ve dropped it - now for you not to be able to tell me, and you’ve dropped the case, so the question of a judge doesn’t actually arise ... I’m just asking you to tell me what happened.

MB: It actually does, Sean and I’ll tell you why it does matter, because I believe in our judicial system in this country and I believe the proper place for that is the Four Courts ...

SOR: But you’re not going there now ...

MB: Sean, let me tell you why I’m not going there. Due to the unbelievable abuse I wasn’t able to go home for three days last week because journalists were sitting outside my home. That is an invasion of my privacy and humanity has been crossed.

pmsl

How is that not answerable??

frankythefish

frankythefish wrote: »

Gawd she came out of that interview looking worse than when she went in. Which is hard to imagine. Fair play to Simon Harris(he is related to her right?)

Yep. Says a lot, doesn't it?

If my cousin had shat herself in public (metaphorically speaking) I like to think I'd try to defend her. Harris pretty much hung her out to dry in that doorstep. That took guts, in fairness to him.

Shefwedfan

Suckit wrote: »

pmsl

How is that not answerable??

because if she answer that then the hotel could potentially sue her.



At least that was the one bit she knew not the f**k up.....

Itssoeasy

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Yep. Says a lot, doesn't it?

If my cousin had shat herself in public (metaphorically speaking) I like to think I'd try to defend her. Harris pretty much hung her out to dry in that doorstep. That took guts, in fairness to him.

It's made the next family gathering a bit awkward though.

The Rape of Lucretia

frankythefish wrote: »

Fair play to Simon Harris(he is related to her right?) for slating her after the interview.

Slated?

He says it was 'unfortunate'. Luck was not on her side, or that she didn't quite get across what she wanted to say.
That's hardly slating her.

Shefwedfan

Best one so far

Junkyard Tom

Just listened to her interview - she's completely unrepentant and sees herself as a victim of 'the mob'. I'd say she's a nasty piece of work.

Itssoeasy

Suckit wrote: »

pmsl

How is that not answerable??

Jesus Nadia Comaneci would be impressed with those mental gymnastics.

frankythefish

Speaking from the RDS where local and European election votes are being counted, Minister Harris said: “I think it was an unfortunate interview.

“I think when you withdraw a claim, I think that is in itself an acknowledgement of the fact that perhaps that claim shouldn’t have been proceeded.

“The interview seemed very much to be in the space of blaming lots of other people.”

Yes, I d call that a slating. Also pulled her up on not mentioning to fine gael that she going on radio

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Slated?

He says it was 'unfortunate'. Luck was not on her side, or that she didn't quite get across what she wanted to say.
That's hardly slating her.