Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

Suckit

This thread is moving so fast I'm not sure if this has already been posted.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dean-hotel-owners-dispute-aspects-of-maria-bailey-s-media-interviews-1.3906291

Dean Hotel owners dispute aspects of Maria Bailey’s media interviews

The Press Up Entertainment Group said out of respect for the judicial system, it would not provide a detailed statement until it has received a notice of discontinuation of the legal action. It had not received such notice from Ms Bailey’s legal team during business hours yesterday.

However, it is understood that the company, which owns the Dean Hotel, disputes aspects of interviews she has given in recent days to the Sunday Independent and RTÉ Radio.

Ms Bailey said all she was seeking from the hotel was €7,000 in legal expenses. Legal sources said in almost all cases, actions listed for the Circuit Court – where Ms Bailey’s was taking place – relate to amounts of more than €15,000.

Minister of State for Finance Michael D’Arcy is likely to introduce amendments to a Bill introduced by Sinn Féin that will limit the amount insurance companies can hold back from claimants until work is completed, known as retention payments. Companies are also likely to be forced to divulge to customers more details about the details of claims paid out following an accident when the consumer’s policy is invoked.

I wonder will a 'detailed statement' include the CCTV footage..

Hope Maria Bailey Ryan has already booked her flights.

newport2

Joking apart, imagine she had won on the basis there was no supervisor for the swing. Could have got every playground in the country closed for insurance reasons once that precedent was set.

josip

It takes a special kind of ineptitude to make Plinth Driver look like the responsible TD in the constituency.
Is Sean Barrett still alive or do they wheel in an effigy of him to the Dail occasionally to claim sitting expenses?
And finally the good people of Dun Laoghaire Rathdown have Richard Boyd Barrett, bona fide...

smurgen

I think the level of public attention to this reflects the sense of anger people feel.this woman looks to have commited insurance fraud and the worse her party colleagues seem to be able to say is that her radio interview was unfortunate. These are the same lads who were encouraging joe public to report such fraud.we are angry because she seems to be getting a free pass with what looks like financial crime.if gardai arrested her we wouldn't have such attention online.

VinLieger

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Why Bailey isn't just saying it wasn't Josepha though is anyones guess.

Im guessing this is because Madigan was involved at least at some stage of it, but if she said she wasn't and eventually it got out that she was they would both be screwed as they both would have lied, this way everyone knows it probably was but nobody can say for sure and if the truth is ever confirmed they werent caught in a lie.

MrMusician18

josip wrote: »

It takes a special kind of ineptitude to make Plinth Driver look like the responsible TD in the constituency.
Is Sean Barrett still alive or do they wheel in an effigy of him to the Dail occasionally to claim sitting expenses?
And finally the good people of Dun Laoghaire Rathdown have Richard Boyd Barrett, bona fide...

Barrett is the ceann comhairle

brooke 2

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

it proves there is a claim culture, not so much with the public but moreso with the legal profession. Check out matt coopers podcast yesterday, Sounds like there's not a lawyer in the land that would have said "don't do it"

And, considering that so many in the Dáil are from the legal profession, don't expect any movement to attempt to eradicate the compo culture. :mad:

cdeb

holyhead wrote: »

The legal firm also have a lot to answer for. The fact they took her seriously.

Not if these are the type of cases that regularly win. Which highlights the huge problem in insurance fraud if that is the case

VinLieger

mikemac2 wrote: »

Eoghan Murphy must be praising the gods. If this has hadn’t happened people would still be focusing on his co-living comments

Hes definitely next on Maria's blame list

Patrick2010

Sean Sean

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsireland/hilarious-50-second-edit-of-maria-baileys-car-crash-rte-interview-sets-the-internet-alight/ar-AAC1OJM?li=BBr5HCU

brooke 2

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Madigan is up to er neck in it as well....


Another dodgy legal company!!! maybe the hotel should just go after them an destroy them

No love lost between the Madigans and McKillens. Madigans represented objectors to proposed McKillen development in the Mount Merrion area.

Cee-Jay-Cee

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Personally I think she has suffered enough and its time to move on. As a people I think we are better than kicking someone when they are down. She should keep a low profile, see out the rest of her Dail term and then decide if public life is for her.
Its not just the internet that scents blood, the newspapers are far worse and once they get hold of a story, countless reporters and commentators depend on it as a way of making a living.
These stories tend to run for 3-4 days and then the papers move on to something else, if you keep a low profile that is. The more she talks about it, the more the media react to it.

But then that means she got away with it without any repercussions. She lodged a fraudulent claim based on lies and deceit purely for money. She deserves to be punished for it in some way. She wont lose her job as Leo is very short on support and sacking her leaves him with a very slim majority in the Dail so that's not happening.

I would love if the courts could decide not to accept her withdrawal and insist that she appears in court to explain her claim/affidavit. She cant blame her legal team, she signed the affidavit and provided them with the information which was used to draw up her statement of claim. She is a downright deceitful liar and was of the opinion that no one would ever question a civil claim of a politician. She believed she was untouchable and when it all went pear shape on her, she chose to blame anyone and everyone else rather than admit that she was to blame and stupid.

dublin99

My guess is that :

1)with the plaintiff and the witness both of "high standing" in society, and
2) the fact that it costs little to issue a summons,
3) the legal advice given by the witness's family law firm (where the witness herself may have practised prior to her elevation to such high standing) was to "shake the tree" and try to get some cash instead of accepting the good will gesture of €600 offered by the hotel, especially since
4) the Hotel was opened only in November the previous year and would not want negative publicity,and
5) insurers would want to settle given the "social status" of the plaintiff and witness (sure they won't lie!) and the fact that they would be regarded as "credible witness" in Court given their "superiority" (as demonstrated by the sense of entitlement that came across in the radio waves...)

It would have been win win quick cash settlement if it worked out, with the Hotel/Insurer paying the plaintiff AND her legal fees!

It sounds like it is the Insurers, fed up with dishonest claims, that had decided to let the story run on the back of an otherwise uninteresting day when the case was in front of the County Registrar for case management. Our superior politicians and co were ambushed while they thought they still had plenty of time to shake down as they would have planned to settle (with BOTH compensation and legal fees paid) and have the case struck out prior to Hearing Date (which probably has not yet been assigned)

PS. Legal fees in Circuit Court (both Solicitors fees and Barrister's fees) are much higher than the fees chargeable in the District Court hence legal advice would be to pursue in Circuit Court for higher payout AND legal fees!

daithi7

At least every body now know what needs to be done to improve PI claiming

1. Central database of claims highlighting false claims and claimant
2. Better guidelines for judges
3. Awarding of cost against false claims as standard practice

Also the legal firm here should be fined if they're shown by due process to have facilitated wanton fraud

ironically, Maria Bailey may yet do the state isome service!!

Ri_Nollaig

Shefwedfan wrote: »

No

Not trying to argue the rights/wrongs of taking the case.
There are nothing but wrongs with it!

Just that, like with that Luas 'surfing' case a few months ago, by "fixing" the issue its more or less admitting liability, had this gone to court. Joke as it may be this is what happens and probably would have resulted in a settlement.

I am delighted this whole thing has blown up on her. Just wish more of these bullshít claims had a similar ending.

judeboy101

SOr told to bury by FG , not a word about it today

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Thank fook they have no swings.;)

Floppybits

judeboy101 wrote: »

SOr told to bury by FG , not a word about it today

Not a word anywhere about it today.

Harry Palmr

Why would there be?

News stories both come and go but also take a day or two off - the next phase will be when Leo has his word with the bold Maria,

California Dreamer

judeboy101 wrote: »

SOr told to bury by FG , not a word about it today

Do you have a source for that claim?

McMurphy

judeboy101 wrote: »

SOr told to bury by FG , not a word about it today

:pac:

Wheety

Gift Grub

https://www.todayfm.com/podcasts/the-ian-dempsey-breakfast-show/gift-grub-leo-sings-swing-maria

Shefwedfan

‘That’s not a level playing pitch,’ she said referring to leaked information regarding the case. ‘And as somebody who grew up on the side-line of a GAA pitch, I play fair. I don’t play offside.’

This would suggest another lie......no offside in GAA and she should know this

Muahahaha

cameramonkey wrote: »

Paddy McKillian Jr and Senior are not people to be messed with. She picked the wrong fight. There was only going to be one winner when they decided to fight the case. This was very small beer for them but they still choose to fight, she should have known who she was dealing with and withdrew gracefully before the court case began.

She was ill advised to take them on, now her political future is in shreds.

A rare good news story.

Very true, Paddy McKillen as Irish developers go is an absolute touch of class. He is one of the few that has no time for politicians, he never engaged in the bribery of the Galway tent like the rest of them. McKillen spotted the Irish property crash years before anyone else did (and said as much, calling Irish property overvalued) and he had long since stopped buying property here and by the early 2000's he had shipped off to London and France where he made even bigger fortunes.

It was Paddy McKillen who had to sue NAMA as they were trying to drag him into their clutches even though he (unlike the rest of Irish developers) was able to pay and service his loans. McKillen wasnt looking for a taxpayer funded bailout like the rest of them but that didn't stop NAMA trying to take his business down. He fought back and won his case in the Supreme Court with an unanimous 7-0 decision in his favour against NAMA.

Next NAMA, under the supervision of Michael Noonan, then hound him even more- they go and sell his loans to his arch enemies the billionaire Barclay brothers. The Barclay Brothers fund the Tory party to the tune of millions, they own the Tory mouthpieces the Daily Telegraph and the Spectator and they are heavy financial backers of Brexit. Noonan and NAMA got into bed with them even though they knew well that the Barclay Brothers only goal was to attempt a hostile take over of Paddy McKillens business. The Barclay brothers couldnt stand the fact that an Irishman called Paddy owned the most prestigious hotels in London (The Connaught, Claridges and the Savoy) and they wanted to take him out. NAMA facilitated their war on Paddy McKillen, they even aided and abetted them by leaking McKillens sensitive financial information to them.
When Noonan was asked about it he came out with his usual sneering "we cant comment on individual cases".

Cue four years of legal battles in London and after over £50m spent in legal fees by McKillen he won out and stopped the hostile takeover of everything he had spent his life working for. That happened on Michael Noonans watch and McKillen blames Noonan and the Dept.of Finance directly. NAMA under Fine Gael literally tried to send Paddy McKillen to the wall.

The McKillens have had enough of Fine Gael politicians over the last decade and I'd imagine that when they saw Maria Bailey suing their business on frivolous grounds they just said enough is enough and fought back. Fair fcuking play to them, this has been a long time coming.

elperello

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Barrett is the ceann comhairle

Not since 2016.
This guy is current office holder - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Se%C3%A1n_%C3%93_Feargha%C3%ADl

ToBeFrank123

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

But then that means she got away with it without any repercussions. She lodged a fraudulent claim based on lies and deceit purely for money. She deserves to be punished for it in some way. She wont lose her job as Leo is very short on support and sacking her leaves him with a very slim majority in the Dail so that's not happening.

I would love if the courts could decide not to accept her withdrawal and insist that she appears in court to explain her claim/affidavit. She cant blame her legal team, she signed the affidavit and provided them with the information which was used to draw up her statement of claim. She is a downright deceitful liar and was of the opinion that no one would ever question a civil claim of a politician. She believed she was untouchable and when it all went pear shape on her, she chose to blame anyone and everyone else rather than admit that she was to blame and stupid.

Legal firms I would say have the biggest responsibility in bringing fraudulent claims. They should advise their client if there is a case or not. They should carry out due diligence and investigate properly. A 5 minute trawl of Bailey's social media posts would show she was running 10k's and attending music festivals soon after her "accident". They should not accept affidavits on face value without a background check. They should make it clear if a client lies, they will charge him/her full costs before dropping them. Bailey never had a case, no matter if she lied about the effects of the fall or not. It was always her own negligence. So the solicitors gave her bad advice.

Solicitor firms need to act as screens to weed out false claims or not. Too many solicitor firms chance their arm and with the compo culture as it is, they feel they can win, even if the case is weak.

We all know of compensation claims paid out for the least reason.

Wheety

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Legal firms I would say have the biggest responsibility in bringing fraudulent claims. They should advise their client if there is a case or not. They should carry out due diligence and investigate properly. A 5 minute trawl of Bailey's social media posts would show she was running 10k's and attending music festivals soon after her "accident". They should not accept affidavits on face value without a background check. They should make it clear if a client lies, they will charge him/her full costs before dropping them. Bailey never had a case, no matter if she lied about the effects of the fall or not. It was always her own negligence. So the solicitors gave her bad advice.

Solicitor firms need to act as screens to weed out false claims or not. Too many solicitor firms chance their arm and with the compo culture as it is, they feel they can win, even if the case is weak.

We all know of compensation claims paid out for the least reason.

All they're thinking of is €. Whether they win or lose, they'll be quids in. Charge a couple of hundred per hour. Of course they're going to let you think you have a chance. If it went to court and lost they'd just shrug their shoulders and move onto the next case.

Cee-Jay-Cee

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Legal firms I would say have the biggest responsibility in bringing fraudulent claims. They should advise their client if there is a case or not. They should carry out due diligence and investigate properly. A 5 minute trawl of Bailey's social media posts would show she was running 10k's and attending music festivals soon after her "accident". They should not accept affidavits on face value without a background check. They should make it clear if a client lies, they will charge him/her full costs before dropping them. Bailey never had a case, no matter if she lied about the effects of the fall or not. It was always her own negligence. So the solicitors gave her bad advice.

Solicitor firms need to act as screens to weed out false claims or not. Too many solicitor firms chance their arm and with the compo culture as it is, they feel they can win, even if the case is weak.

We all know of compensation claims paid out for the least reason.

Yes they should but we all know that is never going to happen as they will always use the line 'we were acting on the instructions of our client' and judges come from the same swamp as solicitors/barristers so they are unlikely to do anything that would upset their brethren.

tinpib

Floppybits wrote: »

Not a word anywhere about it today.

Pat Kenny had David Davin Power on and they talked about it for around 15 mins or so I think on Newstalk at 10am.

Dean Hotel reviews:

Brian O'Donnell
5/5
2 days ago on Google
A great place to stay. Super safe supervised swings.
Response from the owner
2 days ago
Thanks for the rating Brian! We're glad you enjoyed the Dean experience! All the best, Dave L