General Premier League Thread 2019-20

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charolais0153 wrote: »

Paul merson was right all along

Now that's something you wouldn't expect to say.:)

Iused2likebusts

Everton kept 9 CS in there last 12 games last season. Liverpool, Chelsea, Utd and Arsenal all failing to score against them.

Mr.Nice Guy

Was looking at Everton's fixtures and they have a rotten run coming in December, playing top 6 sides for 4 weeks straight:

Liverpool (A)
Chelsea (H)
Man Utd (A)
Arsenal (H)

That would be tricky for any coach, nevermind one under pressure.

Strumms

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Everton kept 9 CS in there last 12 games last season. Liverpool, Chelsea, Utd and Arsenal all failing to score against them.

They always have a very good home record and a very solid defensive system that seems to be a good foundation for them. Very surprised to see them ship points especially in the manner in which they did earlier at home. Sheffield United with two shots on goal and two goals, 29% possession.:eek:

Shanotheslayer

Everton love letting teams break records against them.

City score 10 next week.

Mr.Crinklewood

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Everton love letting teams break records against them.

City score 10 next week.

Sorry, I feel compelled to post this:-

Dr. Bre

Marco Silva is a chancer

Strumms

Unreal clearance from Newcastle sheeet.

Turtyturd

Silva will be safe until their biggest game of the season against Liverpool. A win there and all will be good, a bad result there and they could be back on to Allardyce.

Harry Palmr

Steve Bruce playing 5-4-1 (?! wing backs I take it) with 27% possession at home against Brighton

Agent Coulson

Spurs really are in trouble if they are losing to that Newcastle team.

tayto lover

Poor display by Newcastle in front of a very small crowd.
Major trouble ahead for the club.
23% possession for the home side too which is poor.

irishguitarlad

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Nothing?

No, they would be all over It if Madrid, Barca, PSG or Juve beat a team 8-0 and beat them 6-0 before that. Saying things like "such a farmers League" and hailing the "competitiveness" of the premier league.

magma69

Newcastle were doomed the moment Rafa walked from the club imo. Dunno how a manager of his calibre tolerated that shambles of a club/chairman for so long.

gwalk

Turtyturd wrote: »

Silva will be safe until their biggest game of the season against Liverpool. A win there and all will be good, a bad result there and they could be back on to Allardyce.

Unless he does a Koeman and puts red decorations on his christmas tree, the pitchforks will be out then

Strumms

tayto lover wrote: »

Poor display by Newcastle in front of a very small crowd.
Major trouble ahead for the club.
23% possession for the home side too which is poor.

Yes, Newcastle were absolutely played off the park there, at home, luck and a little bit of heroic defending helped as well as some wasteful finishing got them a maybe slightly fortunate point.

citytillidie

theoneeyedman

tayto lover wrote: »

Poor display by Newcastle in front of a very small crowd.
Major trouble ahead for the club.
23% possession for the home side too which is poor.

Major trouble alright. Ashley's asset stripping maybe beginning to come home to roost. Replacing Rafa with Bruce.... FFS.

Everton are being patient with Silva, they have spent relatively big there, and looks like they are going back ways. Saw a bit of it, Jakielka holding Sheffield together while Mina and Keane stinking it out in the Everton defence.

Quazzie

Spurs have gone 8 months without an away league win.

Surprised that's not making more news

Trigger

Quazzie wrote: »

Spurs have gone 8 months without an away league win.

Surprised that's not making more news

Spurs seem to be the media darlings, if it was any of the other top 6, there would be hundreds of reports of the manager being replaced and the club seeking out replacements

Mr.Nice Guy

The 8 month stat is nonsense. Last season ended in May and this season began in August so there's 3 months that can be disregarded straight away.

Let's see the away games played in the remaining 5 month spell:

18/19

Burnley - lost 2-1
Chelsea - lost 2-0
Southampton - lost 2-1
Liverpool - lost 2-1
Man City - lost 1-0
Bournemouth - lost 1-0

19/20

Man City - drew 2-2
Arsenal - drew 2-2
Leicester - lost 2-1

So out of these 9 away games, over half of them were against top six sides. Even the best sides struggle in these games.

Keep in mind too that last season Spurs had to deal with challenges such as not being able to buy any players, having to contend with significant injuries to their squad's key players at several points, and being without their main stadium for a huge chunk of the season.

This season, 2/3 of those results are quite respectable really - also against top 6 sides. Leicester meanwhile, while not a top 6 side, are one of the more useful outfits in the league. And the offside goal today was very close wasn't it? Haven't yet seen the highlights.

I would say the results against Burnley, Southampton and Bournemouth were the most disappointing certainly, but Tottenham were trying to contend with a Champions League tilt at the time, one which saw them eliminate a team going for a quadruple. Their performance last season overall was outstanding.

Context is all-important.

Strumms

Quazzie wrote: »

Spurs have gone 8 months without an away league win.

Surprised that's not making more news

Crazy, I’m reading here their last away win was January, 244 days ago :eek: to be fair, for a team with their ability and aspirations that mad, useless AND mad.

Liam O

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

The 8 month stat is nonsense. Last season ended in May and this season began in August so there's 3 months that can be disregarded straight away.

Let's see the away games played in the remaining 5 month spell:



So out of these 9 away games, over half of them were against top six sides. Even the best sides struggle in these games.

Keep in mind too that last season Spurs had to deal with challenges such as not being able to buy any players, having to contend with significant injuries to their squad's key players at several points, and being without their main stadium for a huge chunk of the season.

This season, 2/3 of those results are quite respectable really - also against top 6 sides. Leicester meanwhile, while not a top 6 side, are one of the more useful outfits in the league. And the offside goal today was very close wasn't it? Haven't yet seen the highlights.

I would say the results against Burnley, Southampton and Bournemouth were the most disappointing certainly, but Tottenham were trying to contend with a Champions League tilt at the time, one which saw them eliminate a team going for a quadruple. Their performance last season overall was outstanding.

Context is all-important.

In fairness man. You would be skating Ole for similar. And I believe you have.

Harry Palmr

Just looking at MOTD and armpit-gate. How the hell is that offside?

AidoEirE

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Just looking at MOTD and armpit-gate. How the hell is that offside?

just seen it myself, pretty mad if this what var is used for yet the same system has also been horrific in games.

a player is running and his what, elbow is called offside. thats to robotic to do otherwise

AidoEirE

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Just looking at MOTD and armpit-gate. How the hell is that offside?

i actually think the frames per second on the var cameras arnt availble so why is it in the game

Mr.Nice Guy

Liam O wrote: »

In fairness man. You would be skating Ole for similar. And I believe you have.

Solskjaer has presided over some of the worst form seen at Old Trafford in 57 years and was at the helm of a team that conceded the most goals. He managed one point against Huddersfield and Cardiff. He lost at home to Palace for the first time in 30 years. He relegated Cardiff and couldn't hack it in the Championship. He claimed he wanted to rebuild then signed Fergie-era players like Young, Smalling and Jones to new contracts. He's sold the club's top scorer the last few years. His team struggled the other night to beat a team from Kazahkstan.

Poch doesn't have an uneviable record of mediocrity like the above. Not sure any coaches of top clubs do. If/when he does, fair enough. Question him.

shamrock55

Pouch should have left spurs after the cl final loss, there's nothing more he can do there i don't think

Agent Coulson

Cheeky low ball bid for Eriksen in January

AidoEirE

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Solskjaer has presided over some of the worst form seen at Old Trafford in 57 years and was at the helm of a team that conceded the most goals. He managed one point against Huddersfield and Cardiff. He lost at home to Palace for the first time in 30 years. He relegated Cardiff and couldn't hack it in the Championship. He claimed he wanted to rebuild then signed Fergie-era players like Young, Smalling and Jones to new contracts. He's sold the club's top scorer the last few years. His team struggled the other night to beat a team from Kazahkstan.

Poch doesn't have an uneviable record of mediocrity like the above. Not sure any coaches of top clubs do. If/when he does, fair enough. Question him.

This was form after a tenor of jose, both are critical in mistakes and our forum has expressed that completely not just with ole and jose but the last few years.
Yeah ole got rid of Lukaku but i remember a lot of last season Lukaku being absolutely slated for missing chances and to give Martial/Rashford up front.
Now it's being done its pitchforks up, Lukaku is a proven PL striker but he not for us.

he wasnt able to bury easy chances, had put on to much weight either that be muscle or fat but just cause he's gone doesn't mean he'd be banging in goals.

last season many a people in the utd form either wanted Lukaku off the pitch after 60mins or shivered seeing him start.

Now ole is saying yeah ok he's gone, we have Rashford, Martial who ye we've shouted to play up front so lets build it.

Im happy Lukaku is gone, the lukaku for us and everton is night and day and if he stayed here he'd still get slated, just like he was before he left during the summer.

We got Maguire for 80million, im sorry bu thats a 80 mil i'll happily pay to not see Smalling or Jones on the pitch.

AWB looks a good signing as was already up for player of the month in his first for us. Actually looks like a singing gne right.

James has looked very good, the PL defenders doesnt know what to make of him yet ala martial when he first cam so he needs looking after.

We've chopped and turned with managers, some quality ones based on their CV'S, how about we see how this goes, theres no quick remedy to it.

Spurs have a worse record than us in the last 16/17 odd games yet i havent seen a debate about that yet

shamrock55

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Cheeky low ball bid for Eriksen in January

No thanks, he's a lazy git and wouldn't work in a klopp team

Fitz*

I think Eriksen has played the most minutes of any player in the PL since he signed.

Maybe his legs are just gone? The PL is a very intense league physically. Eriksen usually was full of energy in all these games.

rob316

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Solskjaer has presided over some of the worst form seen at Old Trafford in 57 years and was at the helm of a team that conceded the most goals. He managed one point against Huddersfield and Cardiff. He lost at home to Palace for the first time in 30 years. He relegated Cardiff and couldn't hack it in the Championship. He claimed he wanted to rebuild then signed Fergie-era players like Young, Smalling and Jones to new contracts. He's sold the club's top scorer the last few years. His team struggled the other night to beat a team from Kazahkstan.

Poch doesn't have an uneviable record of mediocrity like the above. Not sure any coaches of top clubs do. If/when he does, fair enough. Question him.

The manager of molde isn't good enough for a top pl club hardly surprising. He'd be out on his ear if he hadn't score that goal back in 99. His pundit mates are protecting him from any criticism too.

Rayne Wooney

Eriksen obviously has the Spanish cough but I think he will eventually get back to normal for the sake of a bumper contract next summer

ShamoBuc

rob316 wrote: »

The manager of molde isn't good enough for a top pl club hardly surprising. He'd be out on his ear if he hadn't score that goal back in 99. His pundit mates are protecting him from any criticism too.

Is he good enough? Of course not. Everyone knows it. It is what it is.
Long may it continue.

Skylinehead

shamrock55 wrote: »

No thanks, he's a lazy git and wouldn't work in a klopp team

He is in his arse lazy.

What games do you watch?

Strumms

shamrock55 wrote: »

Pouch should have left spurs after the cl final loss, there's nothing more he can do there i don't think

I thought he would have been a decent shout for the United job. Only thing Ole would have over him would be a smoother transition with him knowing the club, it’s workings and personalities. Important for sure but Poch being a more experienced premiership manager....

Agent Coulson

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Cheeky low ball bid for Eriksen in January

Not sure if everyone in the Premier league does this it'll work tbh

Quazzie

Quazzie wrote: »

Spurs have gone 8 months without an away league win.

Surprised that's not making more news

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

The 8 month stat is nonsense...

Up to a couple of weeks ago anyway, the top 3 clubs in 7 months in league form were City, Liverpool and Crystal Palace.

Roy for Spurs, obviously...

brinty

shamrock55 wrote:

Pouch should have left spurs after the cl final loss, there's nothing more he can do there i don't think

In that case

Klopp should've left Liverpool after the CL victory in that case. There's nothing more he can do there either I don't think. CL is biggest club trophy in the world, he's won that, why not go out at the top...

Both of the above are stupid statements of course..

If Pochettino didn't think he could do better with Spurs, a young dynamic team he's cultivated and groomed over recent years and he's been bloody vocal about what more they could've done over the summer he'd have left already.

Apparently he was the blue eyed boy for real Madrid but Zidane returned and they're already building up a Jose return in time so obviously he's not that in demand there.

Former Espanyol manager so never likely to get the Barca.

He was much coveted and the chosen one for Woodward but Levy wouldn't let him go and Woodward wouldn't pay the fee Levy wanted. So no go there either.

Maybe he realized the above and said best case scenario is I've the third best team in England so why not try and compete...

Quazzie

brinty wrote: »

Maybe he realized the above and said best case scenario is I've the third best team in England so why not try and compete...

What criteria are you basing your "third best team in England" on?

klose

Surprised they didn't make it a triple header today for "super" Sunday. Two games at 2 and 2 games at 4.30.


A loss for wolves and nuno under pressure?

shamrock55

brinty wrote: »

In that case

Klopp should've left Liverpool after the CL victory in that case. There's nothing more he can do there either I don't think. CL is biggest club trophy in the world, he's won that, why not go out at the top...

Both of the above are stupid statements of course..

If Pochettino didn't think he could do better with Spurs, a young dynamic team he's cultivated and groomed over recent years and he's been bloody vocal about what more they could've done over the summer he'd have left already.

Apparently he was the blue eyed boy for real Madrid but Zidane returned and they're already building up a Jose return in time so obviously he's not that in demand there.

Former Espanyol manager so never likely to get the Barca.

He was much coveted and the chosen one for Woodward but Levy wouldn't let him go and Woodward wouldn't pay the fee Levy wanted. So no go there either.

Maybe he realized the above and said best case scenario is I've the third best team in England so why not try and compete...

Ha ha, no more klopp can do with Liverpool are you for real, one of the best teams in Europe at the moment.
Maybe winning the league for the first time in 30 yrs, what about another cl win, world club champions
The possibilities with this Liverpool team are endless, Klopp can create something special with this team, spurs I'm afraid are just going backwards

ERG89

Levy despite his shrewd reputation has left the squad in an odd spot. Alderweireld, Vertonghen & Eriksen all out of contract next summer and don't look to be staying. I thought Eriksen was atrocious midweek & anonymous when he came on yesterday. Alderweireld would have gone had Roma bid more. Vertonghen was dropped out of the blue for 2 league games where they gained 1 fortunate point.
Trippier was sold & they never bought a replacement (Aurier was linked with leaving too). Llorente (who was Kane's only backup) left and wasn't replaced.

Pochettino if he leaves needs to go to a team with something in place already that is above what Spurs have. The problem is a lot of the big jobs are in tricky spots now. Madrid need to get a lot out the door, United need a lot in the door, Bayern have problems getting their transfer targets despite their promises. PSG like Juve your judged more on Champions League than the league. Both fell well short in Europe last year.

brinty

shamrock55 wrote:

Ha ha, no more klopp can do with Liverpool are you for real, one of the best teams in Europe at the moment. Maybe winning the league for the first time in 30 yrs, what about another cl win, world club champions The possibilities with this Liverpool team are endless, Klopp can create something special with this team, spurs I'm afraid are just going backwards

Obviously you didn't read past the second paragraph of my post and got offended..

And remember klopp had already said that he doesn't intended to stay beyond three years

Starfleet Student

Nuno, Sliva, Poch all under real pressure now and all could only have till the next international break. Poch in the terms he could walk he won't be sacked. Flores will be under pressure till he is sacked again i would say Ole and Emry will also be under serious pressure to win every week.

8-10

brinty wrote: »

Former Espanyol manager so never likely to get the Barca.

You do know Barcelona are currently managed by an ex-Espanyol manager right?

Starfleet Student

Starfleet Student wrote: »

Nuno, Sliva, Poch all under real pressure now and all could only have till the next international break. Poch in the terms he could walk he won't be sacked. Flores will be under pressure till he is sacked again i would say Ole and Emry will also be under serious pressure to win every week.

Poch under pressure?

Hardly.

He has taken Spurs to heights they haven't hit in recent history, and Levy is hardly some trigger happy chairman.

.G.

8-10 wrote: »

You do know Barcelona are currently managed by an ex-Espanyol manager right?

Things change but Poch is on record saying he will never manage Barca.

Shanotheslayer

Deleted User wrote: »

Poch under pressure?

Hardly.

He has taken Spurs to heights they haven't hit in recent history, and Levy is hardly some trigger happy chairman.

Under Pressure by people on boards