Tesla Talk

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121284659#Comment_121284659

Problem is i really like the 20” performance wheels. But agree, if I was in the position where the little bit of extra range was needed constantly, I’d consider them.

18” wheels and lower the car would help fill the arches.

Id have the tracks pack wheels in a heartbeat if they were reasonable and not the €6a Tesla want!

Greendrive do a version of them though!

Tesla track pack below

Greendrive version below but only available in Matt black or gloss black I’d like the performance grey colour

Conar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121283957#Comment_121283957

Like Gumbo I'd struggle to give up the ubertine wheels for smaller. I know most don't seem to like them but I really do.

Maybe if I keep the car long term I'll consider it in 3 or 4 years for the added range.

JeremyNord

Tesla are good cars, but expensive, you have to earn money on them first

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121284941#Comment_121284941

Expensive relative to what?

They are same as BYD, cheaper than Hyundai, Kia etc

Conar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121284941#Comment_121284941

I've never bought a new car before but wanted an electric that would take me west to east on one charge.

Had been test driving a few but what always put me off was having to spend over 60k to get the tech spec I wanted (talking things like his and hers seats, heated wheel, wanted ventilated seats but highland wasn't a thing). I know there's a few compact SUVs from Kia and Hyundai but I just don't like a high driving position.

Once I saw I could get the performance tesla for cheaper than an Ioniq 5, 6, EV 6, Cupra, etc etc it was an easy decision.

I try notto drive it to save any money. The way I look at it, it's so cheap to have fun in it in terms of €/100km that it'd be mad to drive miss daisy to save a few cents.

Silent Running

Yesterday, Model Y RWD, Chill mode, mainly dry roads.

Left north Wexford on 100%, drove to New Ross with 2 people in the car and picked up another 3 there with their luggage. Drove to Dublin airport via M9 with 5 on board and back to north Wexford via M11 with 2 on board. A round trip of 363kms. I drove carefully with 110kph on motorways and speed limit elsewhere.

No charge needed and arrived home with 13%. Satnav wanted me to do 10 minutes at Sandyford Supercharger, but I was confident that I wouldn't need it.

sk8board

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285228#Comment_121285228

Thanks - great real world Irish example

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285228#Comment_121285228

Very impressive, would make you wonder if the extra cost for the LR is worth it. I suspect that Tesla Nav was suggesting the Sandyford stop assuming a speed of 120 on the M11 after NTMK.

Silent Running

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285316#Comment_121285316

I wanted a long range but figured that for my main long trip in the UK, with plenty of superchargers on the route, the RWD would probably be the better choice. The acceleration is fine for me and the 100% charge setting is great, especially for solar PV charging. The €7k price difference between the RWD and the LR buys a whole lot of on the road electricity.

slave1

LR was worth it from a price premium/range perspective years back when the SR/RWD had a 50kWh (charge to 80/90% recommendation) battery.

Now the RWD has a 60kWh with 57.5kWh usable at 100% so the range differential is significantely.

From a range/price perspective the LR is just not worth it, unless you have specific journeys in mind without access to SUC

Also remember that from a range perspective a ~3/4 old LR and brand new RWD are now equal

As a new LR and RWD get older the differential range will drop due to better long life battery in the RWD, in time the RWD will become equal with LR range, maybe 6/7 years anecdotally speaking

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285316#Comment_121285316

I’d take it for the performance alone. But I understand many others don’t have an interest in this.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285228#Comment_121285228

I drive a 222 M3 RWD on that M11 at 120+vat and wouldnt see north of 300km range on a return trip to dublin. Shows the difference 10-20km/h makes on wh/km!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285446#Comment_121285446

This is a key point that isnt emphasised enough IMO. Coming from an S and an X, I had my doubts about my stopgap 3, until I saw that I actually had more day to day range in it than my S or X, as you charge to 100% and thanks to the buffer and LFP, theres no dropoff approaching zero. The main reason to go LR now is if you need AWD

slave1

...or the Audio, how I miss my Model S premium audio 😣 but price jump to LR just not worth it ........

DrPsychia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285567#Comment_121285567

Agreed. The quicker I can accelerate to legal speed limits the happier I am. If you can afford it and enjoy the increased G-force then the LR is absolutely worth it.

I don't see it so much on boards but on reddit tesla model 3 subforums i see people exhibit a weird superiority complex where they believe the LFP is vastly superior just because they can charge to 100% daily and they saved $$$$. I'll be interested to see data in the next couple years of LFP degradation with 100% daily charging.

slave1

You don't have to wait, LFP is proven and goes to 100% to balance the cells, there are over 100cells in a LFP Model 3

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121286118#Comment_121286118

LFP has been around for a good while, the main drawback is lower energy density that NMC batteries. As battery tech has developed the energy density for LFP has reached a level suitable for automotive use. We've known for a long time that LFP had a much better cycle life (3000 vs 1000) so can afford to be a bit rougher with the battery.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121286095#Comment_121286095

I have to say I don't notice the difference in audio. Perhaps spotify wasnt playing in high enough quality or something in my S and X.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121286118#Comment_121286118

LFP cells can take a pounding. If there's anything you need to see deg on, it's non LFP Lithium Ion cells in the non RWD cars.

allinthehead

I bought a Rwd M3 in March and I did consider the Lr at the time. On our journeys we must stop after about 1.5 hrs due to small bladders so I discounted the need for longer range. I always wondered if I should've gone for it just for the performance.

I had my car in the service centre yesterday so I took a Y Lr and M3 Lr for a spin. I was slightly underwhelmed by the M3 if I'm honest. In normal driving conditions ie joining a motorway, slip roads etc the difference wasn't massive. From a standstill it was rapid and that's where it impressed. I enjoyed the Y, much more refined than the 3 and the boot was vast. Loved the single piece glass roof too.

DrPsychia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121286253#Comment_121286253

I would assume that a majority percentage of people buying a brand new LR would be trading every 3-4 years anyway so does it really matter what state the battery is in? I'm not advocating for people to charge their NMC to 100% and discharge to 0% all the time, but there's a lot of overprotectiveness when it comes to charging and SOC. Just charge it as you require and drive. Those that want to keep a their car long term, who care about degradation, and go "deep" every time they drive should pick a LFP. Those that value the increased power, added range (less range anxiety), and quicker DC charging for over a 3-4 ownership period should pick a LR NMC, even long term I would pick a LR but that's just me. Batteries are more likely to replaced due to some other fault than to be replaced due to degradation.

I know LFP batteries cycle longer and degrade significantly than NMC over a similar period of time, the science proven, but the few battery tests I read are not representative of real world ownership for the average driver.

In real world terms you're talking about battery cycles that outlast the life of the car regardless if they're LFP or NMC. 1000 deep 350km cycles(350,000 kilometres) driving 50km per day/365 days per year is 19 years. How many people discharge from 100-0% every day? Degradation will be significantly less as most people don't discharge from 100 SOC to near 0 every day.

DrPsychia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121286770#Comment_121286770

The Y LR is a fantastic car overall. A friend has a Y LR with acceleration boost, it feels the same as 3LR from a standstill, maybe a bit quicker. It was his first brand new car and he's absolutely delighted with it, no issues so far. I can't wait to see what performance boost(if any) the new Model 3 performance will bring next year with the upgraded motors.

Conar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121281616#Comment_121281616

Just to follow up on my return journey.

Drove back this afternoon with the same passengers and 20Kg less in baggage (now 60Kg) and journey only took 58Kw vs the 80Kw on the stormy night. What a difference the weather makes.

EDIT

Sorry meant to say I used 58% battery vs 80% on the stormy night 😶

Ten8sixFour

It was only a matter of time and surprised it hadn’t been more prominent before but seems like a sensible decision from the judge.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/tesla-owner-who-drove-with-no-hands-on-m50-on-autopilot-cleared-of-dangerous-driving/a2143801059.html

Redfox25

Autopilot isn't designed for hands off driving. That's a mistake by the judge. Bet this gets appealed/overturned.

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121287904#Comment_121287904

He alerted his colleague that the accused “was driving with no hands”.

He accepted that there was nothing dangerous about the driving, which he described as “a bit mechanical”.

I'd prefer the guards to be going after the many M50 drivers who doing something actually dangerous than using a system that's main technical deficiency on motorways is a legal liability question rather than a technical gap.

I think as it stands Autopilot has similar capabilities to the Ford system that is allowed to be operated with hands off eye's on.

Redfox25

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121288012#Comment_121288012

Let's agree to disagree.

I do agree that the guards should be going after dangerous drivers instead of this stuff.

innrain

I think this is an interesting development

https://www.bp.com/en_us/united-states/home/news/press-releases/bp-boosts-ev-charging-network-with-100-million-dollar-order-of-tesla-ultra-fast-chargers.html

Considering the reports that SuC units are a third of the cost of the other manufacturers it makes sense.

lau1247

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121287739#Comment_121287739

I'd say most Tesla drivers using autopilot are sensible enough to keep their hands low by the bottom of steering even if hands off, where Guard can't see it as hands off.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121288520#Comment_121288520

Ssh 😁

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121287739#Comment_121287739

But unless/until it's overturned, that means a precedent has been set?

Which in Irish law, being a common law jurisdiction, I understand has a significant bearing on future cases?

poker--addict

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121281648#Comment_121281648

Why would resistance in wet or wind be any different for EV? Is it exponentially greater drag with extra weight? Genuine question - my logic would be it's the same, there is an amount of energy required to move an object on a wet road? If anything the weight might lend itself to a hypothesis that water is less likely to be undermining traction/loss