Americanisms gone too far, are you guilty?

Hamsterchops

Went with a friend to Dundrum shopping mall centre last week, and as we were leaving the car park she mentioned that she was taking the elevator to the stores on the top floor of the mall :cool:

"Elevator to the stores on the top floor of the mall" really? and I thought to myself, whatever happened with taking the lift to the shops on the top floor of the shopping centre?

I was just waiting for her to suggest we went to the 'movie theatre' after we collected the car from the parking lot, thankfully she hasn't got that bad (yet)!

Curious to know how widespread the terms like :elevator', movie theatre, shopping mall, and parking lot (instead of car park) have become in Ireland.

Maybe I'm showing my age by not adapting to the new American lingo? or are many young people selling out by adopting such Americanisms?

Hands up if I'm an old fuddy duddy

ILoveYourVibes

Yes I am. I don't think i could stop if i wanted to.

vicwatson

So

Brock Turnpike

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Went with a friend to Dundrum shopping mall centre last week, and as we were leaving the car park she mentioned that she was taking the elevator to the stores on the top floor of the mall :cool:

"Elevator to the stores on the top floor of the mall" really? and I thought to myself, whatever happened with taking the lift to the shops on the top floor of the shopping centre?

I was just waiting for her to suggest we went to the 'movie theatre' after we collected the car from the parking lot, thankfully she hasn't got that bad (yet)!

Curious to know how widespread the terms like :elevator', movie theatre, shopping mall, and parking lot (instead of car park) have become in Ireland.

Maybe I'm showing my age by not adapting to the new American lingo? or are many young people selling out by adopting such Americanisms?

Hands up if I'm an old fuddy duddy

You're in love with her, aren't you?

JohnnyFlash

What a douchebag.

Infernal Racket

My young daughter, a few years back told me that the mail man had delivered the mail. Shocker. It's from kids and adults watching all that aul ****e American telly

Infernal Racket

Gerry G wrote: »

My young daughter, a few years back told me that the mail man had delivered the mail. Shocker. It's from kids and adults watching all that aul ****e American telly

Although I will admit, I have found myself using "guys" more than once

Deebles McBeebles

"Elevator to the stores on the top floor of the mall"

That would annoy me too tbf. I've mentioned it here before but anyone who says "'slaw" should be shot with a ball of their own sh*te.

ILoveYourVibes

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

You're in love with her, aren't you?

Well spotted. Op just tell her.

I was going to post J'Taime by serge gainsbourg but its too french and not American enough... you will have to do with this.

ILoveYourVibes

I must annoy SO many people.

Ten of Swords

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

You're in love with her, aren't you?

Qft

irishguitarlad

We're all living in Amerika,
Amerika ist wunderbar
We're all living in Amerika,
Amerika, Amerika…

the beer revolu

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

"Elevator to the stores on the top floor of the mall"

That would annoy me too tbf. I've mentioned it here before but anyone who says "'slaw" should be shot with a ball of their own sh*te.

Slaw as short for coleslaw is annoying, as is mayo for mayonnaise.
But slaw is a description of a type of salad when used correctly.
Asian slaw, for example, gives a very good idea of what to expect - shredded or sliced vegetables with Asian flavours ni the dressing. It is descriptive.

Coleslaw is shredded/sliced white cabbage and carrots bound with mayonnaise - it's a very specific thing.

Don't get angry with people just because you don't understand food terminology.

Church on Tuesday

No Irish person should use the term 'Mom'.

super_furry

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

No Irish person should use the term 'Mom'.

Yer ma would.

Birneybau

Saw this in response to that vacuous Tweet from Maria Walsh:

https://twitter.com/oliveblogs/status/1131274366363328514

Hamsterchops

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

No Irish person should use the term 'Mom'.

Agreed, same goes for elevator (instead of lift).

Deebles McBeebles

the beer revolu wrote: »

Slaw as short for coleslaw is annoying, as is mayo for mayonnaise.
But slaw is a description of a type of salad when used correctly.
Asian slaw, for example, gives a very good idea of what to expect - shredded or sliced vegetables with Asian flavours ni the dressing. It is descriptive.

Coleslaw is shredded/sliced white cabbage and carrots bound with mayonnaise - it's a very specific thing.

Don't get angry with people just because you don't understand food terminology.

Thanks for the unnecessary and uninvited lesson but I was referring to people using it as short for coleslaw. No one has ever used it in the other way in Ireland.

cdgalwegian

So, everyone begins sentences with 'so', right?
Not only that, every sentence is really a question? With the high-rise termination/uptalk?
Far worse though, is what I call the 'croaky voice syndrome'. You know what I mean- when the sentence starts off normal, then deteriorates into that whiny croaky talk.

DEFTLEFTHAND

The Irish are terrible for it.

Obsessed with American culture.

Birneybau

cdgalwegian wrote: »

So, everyone begins sentences with 'so', right?
Not only that, every sentence is really a question? With the high-rise termination/uptalk?
Far worse though, is what I call the 'croaky voice syndrome'. You know what I mean- when the sentence starts off normal, then deteriorates into that whiny croaky talk.

Vocal Fry. Epidemic since the ****ing Kardashians became flavour of the cunth

http://time.com/5006345/what-is-vocal-fry/

Deebles McBeebles

Birneybau wrote: »

flavour of the cunth

Might need to use that one.

the beer revolu

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

. No one has ever used it in the other way in Ireland.

What a ridiculous statement.
It's used on menus all the time, I use it this was, I've heard lots of people use it this way. You seem to think that because you don't use a term, nobody does. What a staggeringly insular way to be.

cdgalwegian

Birneybau wrote: »

Vocal Fry. Epidemic since the ****ing Kardashians became flavour of the cunth

http://time.com/5006345/what-is-vocal-fry/

"If it turns out young people really are using vocal fry more than their predecessors, that speech characteristic may soon be the rule, not the exception."

Zaph

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

No Irish person should use the term 'Mom'.

I would have also been of that opinion until I met my wife, who's from Cork. Apparently it's pretty much the Cork/Kerry equivalent of "ma" in Dublin and its use is widespread down there. However the reason for it has nothing to do with American TV, it's from the Irish "mam", which is pronounced "mom". So the yanks probably stole or from us rather than the other way round.

vicwatson

Store store store

It's SHOP you imbecile

Rubberlegs

Guilty as sin.
I call my best friend dude and tell the child she has to be super good. However, I draw the line at I could care less.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

dxhound2005

cdgalwegian wrote: »

So, everyone begins sentences with 'so', right?
Not only that, every sentence is really a question? With the high-rise termination/uptalk?
Far worse though, is what I call the 'croaky voice syndrome'. You know what I mean- when the sentence starts off normal, then deteriorates into that whiny croaky talk.

I think this guy is suffering from that one. Listen after 55 seconds.

Zaph

vicwatson wrote: »

Store store store

It's SHOP you imbecile

Homeshop and More just doesn't have the same ring to it. :pac:

cdgalwegian

To answer the thread question- not guilty, except when being ironic. Which, when I think about, is a lot. Like, I mean, a lot?

Victor

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Went with a friend to Dundrum shopping mall centre last week, and as we were leaving the car park she mentioned that she was taking the elevator to the stores on the top floor of the mall :cool:

The interior 'streets' in a shopping centre are called malls, e.g the Swan Centre in Rathmines has Dome Mall, Rathmines Mall, Town Hall Mall, Castlewood Mall and The Gallery and the centre dates from the mid-1980s.

car

Auto.

Ursus Horribilis

I can live with the Americanisms. It's people speaking with phoney American accents that gets to me.

the beer revolu

I'm probably guilty of using dude and man too much but I remember this being pointed out to me over 20 years ago, so it's not a new thing.

Wibbs

Zaph wrote: »

I would have also been of that opinion until I met my wife, who's from Cork. Apparently it's pretty much the Cork/Kerry equivalent of "ma" in Dublin and its use is widespread down there. However the reason for it has nothing to do with American TV, it's from the Irish "mam", which is pronounced "mom". So the yanks probably stole or from us rather than the other way round.

I have heard this every time this comes up Z, though sometimes it's Kerry. However find me any audio or video on the interwebs pre the mid 90's where any Irish person uses "Mom" speaking english. But let's say that's the case and it's from the Irish(though it always sounded like a broader Ahh sound to me and where we get the very Irish "mam") and a south west thing, it sure as night follows day wasn't an east coast/Dublin thing Z, yet it's endemic nowadays.

The whole Yank accent thing started back in the late 90's more with young women as these things tend do(as women have a generally better ear for them and languages) and some of them now sound like nasal valley girls. Tends to be more a middle class thing too. Just like the Dort accent before it where they more aped a received British accent.

the beer revolu

Wibbs wrote: »

I have heard this every time this comes up Z, though sometimes it's Kerry. However find me any audio or video on the interwebs pre the mid 90's where any Irish person uses "Mom" speaking english. But let's say that's the case and it's from the Irish(though it always sounded like a broader Ahh sound to me and where we get the very Irish "mam") and a south west thing, it sure as night follows day wasn't an east coast/Dublin thing Z, yet it's endemic nowadays.

The whole Yank accent thing started back in the late 90's more with young women as these things tend do(as women have a generally better ear for them and languages) and some of them now sound like nasal valley girls. Tends to be more a middle class thing too. Just like the Dort accent before it where they more aped a received British accent.

I grew up in Cork in the 70s and 80s and my mum was always called mom.

We probably would have referred to her as mum but addressed her as mom.

pjdarcy

Zaph wrote: »

I would have also been of that opinion until I met my wife, who's from Cork. Apparently it's pretty much the Cork/Kerry equivalent of "ma" in Dublin and its use is widespread down there. However the reason for it has nothing to do with American TV, it's from the Irish "mam", which is pronounced "mom". So the yanks probably stole or from us rather than the other way round.

Is "mam" not pronounced as "mam" in Ireland any more?

jimgoose

I have to hold my hands up here because, having been working for and with the Yankistanis for the last 25 years or so, many Americanisms - subtle and not-quite-so-subtle - have crept into my mode of speech. Having learnt the alphabet by watching Sesame Street when I was three or four doesn't alleviate this either. :pac:

Harry Palmr

The Irish love parroting Americanisms and idioms - a few are okay as they sound good - the exclamation
"Gordon Bennett!" being a good one but for the most part it's really fingernails down the blackboard whiteboard to my ears esp when it turns standard use of the language on it's head - as in "can I get a BTL with no mayo" when of course you are making a polite request which someone else will carry out. If you got a BTL with no mayo you'd be told to get back on the other side of the shop counter PDQ

Thelonious Monk

I know, right?

I hear girls on the Dorsch sometimes that sound like they're straight outta the OC. If my daughter started talking like that I'd send her to a convent for penance.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I know, right?

I hear girls on the Dorsch sometimes that sound like they're straight outta the OC. If my daughter started talking like that I'd send her to a convent for penance.

They view their own culture as inferior so they ape a trendy one.

Church on Tuesday

Zaph wrote: »

I would have also been of that opinion until I met my wife, who's from Cork. Apparently it's pretty much the Cork/Kerry equivalent of "ma" in Dublin and its use is widespread down there. However the reason for it has nothing to do with American TV, it's from the Irish "mam", which is pronounced "mom". So the yanks probably stole or from us rather than the other way round.

That's interesting, I didn't know that. I did have an ex with ties to that part of the country (father was Kerry) who referred to her mother as 'mom' which I personally found grating but I suppose that explains that.

I'm from Mayo though and I've heard a lot of folk use that term there and indeed throughout much of the country.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The Irish love parroting Americanisms and idioms - a few are okay as they sound good - the exclamation
"Gordon Bennett!" being a good one but for the most part it's really fingernails down the blackboard whiteboard to my ears esp when it turns standard use of the language on it's head - as in "can I get a BTL with no mayo" when of course you are making a polite request which someone else will carry out. If you got a BTL with no mayo you'd be told to get back on the other side of the shop counter PDQ

Is 'Gordon Bennett' not a cockney thing?

Deebles McBeebles

the beer revolu wrote: »

What a ridiculous statement.
It's used on menus all the time, I use it this was, I've heard lots of people use it this way. You seem to think that because you don't use a term, nobody does. What a staggeringly insular way to be.

What a staggeringly contrary way to be. You might need a holiday. May I suggest Asia, they do a great slaw.

jimgoose

the beer revolu wrote: »

What a ridiculous statement.
It's used on menus all the time, I use it this was, I've heard lots of people use it this way. You seem to think that because you don't use a term, nobody does. What a staggeringly insular way to be.

The "slaw" element of the word coleslaw derives from "sla", is the Dutch word for salad or, depending on context, lettuce. I personally also find it pretentious and irritating the way certain trendy types insist on replacing the perfectly serviceable and descriptive "salad" with it.

jimgoose

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

They view their own culture as inferior so they ape a trendy one.

...And I believed that my stumble
Had the poise and stride of Apollo
And his voice my thick-tongued mumble.

Mickeroo

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

I can live with the Americanisms. It's people speaking with phoney American accents that gets to me.

Ah it's not just me then. It seems to the majority of people under the age of 25 or so. Girls seem to be more prone to it than the lads too.

Boom_Bap

Yee haaawww, darn tootin we is copying them motherf*ckers for da east to da west side. I hope we don't get afflicted with consumption. Let me put on my fanny pack and we are all set.

jimgoose

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Yee haaawww, darn tootin we is copying them motherf*ckers for da east to da west side. I hope we don't get afflicted with consumption. Let me put on my fanny pack and we are all set.

Yes, I too am quite at home with the Downeys. The drive-by patio-admirings are getting ridiculous around hereabouts but, consarnit.

ceadaoin.

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Thanks for the unnecessary and uninvited lesson but I was referring to people using it as short for coleslaw. No one has ever used it in the other way in Ireland.

No one in America calls coleslaw "slaw" though. It's always coleslaw. Then theres broccoli/apple/loads of other types of slaw. So calling it that isn't an Americanism , more like a try hard attempt at one.

jimgoose

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I know, right?...

"Right" is a Newfoundland thing. We have a Newfie here in the office. He tells me a typical conversation back home would go "So I go to the store, right? I need to get some .243 Winchester for the rifle, right? And some beans. Because these Polar bears, are getting ridiculous. Right??"