Catholic Ireland dead? **Mod Warning in Post #563**

lbc2019

With that resounding 87% Yes in the exit poll for the divorce referendum surely that signifies the final nail in Catholic Ireland's coffin?


I for one am delighted.

kenmc

Fingers crossed.

nah

Ireland has long been comfortable being a catholic country that doesn't actually adhere to catholicism

far better if we were honest about it but alas

Edgware

Catholic Ireland may be gone but maybe Christian Ireland has got stronger.
Great community spirit, great support of charities,
greater acceptance of differences. Extremism of any religion, political system is to be avoided

buried

Seems the funeral wedding first communion confirmation aspect of it is well alive

branie2

I'm sure practicing Catholic voted yes as well

jaxxx

Catholic Ireland dead? Please God!

whisky_galore

Plenty Bouncy Castle Catholics.

Harry Palmr

buried wrote: »

Seems the funeral wedding first communion confirmation aspect of it is well alive

When they have been excavated from the health system and school system we will be able to say Ireland is 'post Catholic'.

yasmina

buried wrote: »

Seems the funeral wedding first communion confirmation aspect of it is well alive

Agree.

I'm 'home' nearly a year after being away for 20.
We're in rural Ireland and my kids have gone into a small local primary. They are the only kids in the school of 100 who don't "do religion", or in other words, the only non-catholics. The whole communion/confirmation thing is HUGE. I totally underestimated it. Now I don't think that these families are going to mass regularly outside of this, but I don't really know because I don't be going

On a side note, I have found that in rural Ireland if you don't go to mass or play GAA then you are not really part of the community. Everything revolves around this.

sabat

I'd take the cardinals and bishops over the insidious dykofascist quangistas any day of the week.

lbc2019

They no longer influence laws the way they did - this is a good thing

PCeeeee

yasmina wrote: »

Agree.

I'm 'home' nearly a year after being away for 20.
We're in rural Ireland and my kids have gone into a small local primary. They are the only kids in the school of 100 who don't "do religion", or in other words, the only non-catholics. The whole communion/confirmation thing is HUGE. I totally underestimated it. Now I don't think that these families are going to mass regularly outside of this, but I don't really know because I don't be going

On a side note, I have found that in rural Ireland if you don't go to mass or play GAA then you are not really part of the community. Everything revolves around this.

Personally I like to live where people share my values and I feel part of the community.

gandalf

Until they are fully extracted from our education and health systems then no Catholic Ireland is not dead unfortunately. Not yet anyway but we can continue to work towards a fully secular and inclusive country.

yasmina

PCeeeee wrote: »

Personally I like to live where people share my values and I feel part of the community.

Me too.

Ficheall

It's with O'Leary in the grave.


Nevermind.

King of Kings

I dont see the coorelation between the vote today and being catholic or anything catholic.

We've had divorce here 20plus years..today was just changing a technical piece.
Nothing to do with religion.

The abortion vote though....

Atoms for Peace

I'm agnostic on the whole religion thing but the Catholic Church do put on a good show when it comes to celebration ceremonies and aren't half bad at providing decent education irrespective of socioeconmic class.

Mr. teddywinkles

lbc2019 wrote: »

With that resounding 87% Yes in the exit poll for the divorce referendum surely that signifies the final nail in Catholic Ireland's coffin?


I for one am delighted.

Right so let's create a vacuum for some other new found crap. Never being very religious but ya know what. Better the devil ya know. Ha I made a funny.

freshpopcorn

Traditional Catholic Ireland is dead but modern a la carte Catholic Ireland is going steady enough.

Berserker

yasmina wrote: »

I'm 'home' nearly a year after being away for 20.

We're in rural Ireland and my kids have gone into a small local primary. They are the only kids in the school of 100 who don't "do religion", or in other words, the only non-catholics. The whole communion/confirmation thing is HUGE. I totally underestimated it. Now I don't think that these families are going to mass regularly outside of this, but I don't really know because I don't be going

I've a helicopter lesson voucher that I need to use. Rang the flight centre a few weeks back and the lady on the phone couldn't find a weekend hour slot for me because of the demand from the first communion crowd.

King of Kings wrote: »

I dont see the coorelation between the vote today and being catholic or anything catholic. The abortion vote though....

Neither are a reflection on RC Ireland. I know more pro-lifers that are not religious. My own wife is a born-again Christian but she is pro-choice, pro-LGBT (used to work in a LGBT church when she was young).

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

I'm agnostic on the whole religion thing but the Catholic Church do put on a good show when it comes to celebration ceremonies and aren't half bad at providing decent education irrespective of socioeconmic class.

In very high demand in the UK. RCC churches are the where it's at.

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Traditional Catholic Ireland is dead but modern a la carte Catholic Ireland is going steady enough.

Summed it up very nicely, if I may say so.

Sonny noggs

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

Right so let's create a vacuum for some other new found crap. Never being very religious but ya know what. Better the devil ya know. Ha I made a funny.

Good news:

“Islam is now listed by the CSO as being one of the fastest growing religions in Ireland.”

Something to look forward to in the future. In 20 or 30 years we will look back on these days as the calm before the storm.

Cabaal

Edgware wrote: »

Catholic Ireland may be gone but maybe Christian Ireland has got stronger.
Great community spirit, great support of charities,
greater acceptance of differences. Extremism of any religion, political system is to be avoided

Err, you don't have to be a Christian to be nice.

If anything, if you need to believe in God and fear what hell do to you to make you a nice person then in reality you are a dick and not a nice person.

Some people can just be good people without the threat of a god.

Berserker

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Good news:

“Islam is now listed by the CSO as being one of the fastest growing religions in Ireland.”

Something to look forward to in the future. In 20 or 30 years we will look back on these days as the calm before the storm.

Scientology is starting to get up and running in the greater Dublin area. Signs of life in the new Ideal Org they built. All those free family events are starting to pay dividends for them.

Cabaal

King of Kings wrote: »

I dont see the coorelation between the vote today and being catholic or anything catholic.

We've had divorce here 20plus years..today was just changing a technical piece.
Nothing to do with religion.

The abortion vote though....

You clearly missed out on the massive opposition from the catholic church for the previous divorce referendums (yes there has been more then just this one today and the one that passed it).

It was a fairly nasty ref with bishops and priests not afraid to speak their minds.

The fact so many people are OK with divorce shows that a massive amount of the country are against the church's core beliefs. Repeal the 8th and marriage ref prove this even more.

If you don't believe core catholic beliefs then you are not a Catholic.

Fr_Dougal

lbc2019 wrote: »

Catholic Ireland dead?

No, I is alive. Was watching the Late Late.

Plumbthedepths

Edgware wrote:

Catholic Ireland may be gone but maybe Christian Ireland has got stronger. Great community spirit, great support of charities, greater acceptance of differences. Extremism of any religion, political system is to be avoided

A society displaying compassion and empathy, very little of do with Christianity tbh.

Strumms

Edgware wrote: »

greater acceptance of differences

I think here is where ‘modern Ireland’ has a shîtload of work left to do. Sure things have improved but not to the extent I’d be willing to say I’d be happy with.

The high horse brigade

Harry Palmr wrote: »

When they have been excavated from the health system and school system we will be able to say Ireland is 'post Catholic'.

Need to also remove the prayer from the Dail and rewrite the Constitution as it reads like a prayer book

ChunkyLover54

Cabaal wrote: »

The fact so many people are OK with divorce shows that a massive amount of the country are against the church's core beliefs.

The divorce referendum was in 1995. What does today's referendum have to do with the level of Catholicism in Ireland?

mcmoustache

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Good news:

“Islam is now listed by the CSO as being one of the fastest growing religions in Ireland.”

Something to look forward to in the future. In 20 or 30 years we will look back on these days as the calm before the storm.

yeah but what about "the left"? Amiright? It's terrible joe. Just terrible.

Berserker

ChunkyLover54 wrote: »

The divorce referendum was in 1995. What does today's referendum have to do with the level of Catholicism in Ireland?

Ah come on, this is AH. The tenuous link between the referendum today and the RCC is more than enough to allow people to engage in a bit of RCC bashing.

Shefwedfan

lbc2019 wrote: »

With that resounding 87% Yes in the exit poll for the divorce referendum surely that signifies the final nail in Catholic Ireland's coffin?


I for one am delighted.

Why are you delighted?

riffmongous

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Good news:

“Islam is now listed by the CSO as being one of the fastest growing religions in Ireland.”

Something to look forward to in the future. In 20 or 30 years we will look back on these days as the calm before the storm.

Of course if you start with a very small number it will be fast growing

One eyed Jack

Cabaal wrote: »

If you don't believe core catholic beliefs then you are not a Catholic.

As determined by whom, you?

Phew, that’s ok then. For a minute there I thought the Catholic Church had changed it’s position and I hadn’t got the memo.


EDIT: Forgot to add - no OP, Catholic Ireland is very much alive. Don’t mistake apathy for acceptance.

Berserker

ChunkyLover54 wrote: »

If you don't believe core catholic beliefs then you are not a Catholic.

Was always under the impression that the RCC refused to do that and they count every person who's ever been baptized as a RCC as a member for life.

riffmongous wrote: »

Of course if you start with a very small number it will be fast growing

Scientology is the same. 87 in the last census. 100+ next time round could easily be spun as fast growing, possibly the fastest in Ireland.

Sonny noggs

mcmoustache wrote: »

yeah but what about "the left"? Amiright? It's terrible joe. Just terrible.

Right, you are not wrong!

Mr. teddywinkles

Change is good. Change is better. Progress always progess. No matter where it leads.

Ferajacka

It's with o Leary in the grave

Edgware

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

A society displaying compassion and empathy, very little of do with Christianity tbh.

TBH you haven't a clue. Check the policies of the man from Nazareth

Plumbthedepths

One eyed Jack wrote:

EDIT: Forgot to add - no OP, Catholic Ireland is very much alive. Don’t mistake apathy for acceptance.

The poor mass attendance seems to contradict this.

Plumbthedepths

Edgware wrote:

TBH you haven't a clue. Check the policies of the man from Nazareth

You'll have to narrow it down a bit, I'm sure there's more than one lad from Nazareth. Maybe a name?

fonecrusher1

buried wrote: »

Seems the funeral wedding first communion confirmation aspect of it is well alive

Er that's more about the sandwiches and pints.

Plumbthedepths

fonecrusher1 wrote:

Er that's more about the sandwiches and pints.

Don't forget the money and fashion.

One eyed Jack

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

A society displaying compassion and empathy, very little of do with Christianity tbh.

How’s that Margaret Cash thread trucking along then? I haven’t bothered with it in a while when it became a thread to sneer at her and rip her life apart.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The poor mass attendance seems to contradict this.

That’s a good example of the apathy I mentioned earlier, not to be confused with acceptance.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You'll have to narrow it down a bit, I'm sure there's more than one lad from Nazareth. Maybe a name?

Jesus Christ...


No, seriously

TCM

lbc2019 wrote:

With that resounding 87% Yes in the exit poll for the divorce referendum surely that signifies the final nail in Catholic Ireland's coffin?

There is no association between 'catholic Ireland' and this vote. Get a grip. Didn't you know we've had divorce in Ireland for some considerable time now.

Plumbthedepths

One eyed Jack wrote:

How’s that Margaret Cash thread trucking along then? I haven’t bothered with it in a while when it became a thread to sneer at her and rip her life apart.

No idea, care to explain the reference to here?

One eyed Jack wrote:

Jesus Christ...

Oh the lad from 2000 years ago, Nazareth is one of the largest cities in Israel so I was wondering who he was talking about. He did say policies so I thought it was a council official

54and56

Harry Palmr wrote: »

When they have been excavated from the health system and school system we will be able to say Ireland is 'post Catholic'.

And for me when some form of functioning Assisted Dying legislation had been introduced then, and only then, will Ireland have become a post Catholic country.

TCM

TCM wrote: »

There is no association between 'catholic Ireland' and this vote. Get a grip. Didn't you know we've had divorce in Ireland for some considerable time now.

And we've had the god botherers complaining about it ever since.

One eyed Jack

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

No idea, care to explain the reference to here?

Your idea that we are now a society of compassion and empathy where we apparently weren’t before. Society hasn’t changed at all - there’s still an authoritatian minority obsessed with punching down, and their targets haven’t changed either.

Oh the lad from 2000 years ago, Nazareth is one of the largest cities in Israel so I was wondering who he was talking about. He did say policies so I thought it was a council official

Edgeware was making the point in relation to Christ’s teachings. Come on, it wasn’t that difficult to understand.

Gimme A Pound

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

Change is good. Change is better. Progress always progess. No matter where it leads.

I'm not one for Catholic bashing but I prefer a state not to be entwined with the church. If people want to practise of their own volition though, more power to then.