Dublin's 24h bus services

darklighter

Joker2019 wrote: »

even DB HQ on a similar basis for night drivers.

Now theres a good suggestion! unless there's no kitchen/ tea - coffee facilities on O'Connell St

CIARAN_BOYLE

cgcsb wrote: »

The taxi industry needs to be obliterated by 24 hr routes. The city centre is dangerously congested with taxis at night and the selective behaviour of drivers in december isn't exactly building good will. Good riddance I say. Here's hoping that next Christmas the city is well covered by 24hr services.

Yeah but which parts of the taxi industry should remain?

How do you obliterate large sections of it while retaining a useful core.

cgcsb

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Afraid of looking at people who are drunk ? Are you for real ?

The shift these lads are doing during the night are though enough when you can't get a bit of peace to yourself for a break.

Like you say, if you don't care how it's done once the service is provided then why do you give a flying sh,ite about the suggestions being made to help make the shifts better ? Sure it won't effect you ! :rolleyes:

Like I said, which ever way the drivers prefer to work the roster I don't care as long as the service exists and is of high quality. Just wondering why you'd be preoccupied by other people's alcohol consumption.

cgcsb

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Yeah but which parts of the taxi industry should remain?

How do you obliterate large sections of it while retaining a useful core.

Luck of the draw for the drivers I suppose. Oslo for example wouldn't have much of a taxi industry anymore thanks to the world's most extensive public transport system per head.

Joker2019

darklighter wrote: »

Now theres a good suggestion! unless there's no kitchen/ tea - coffee facilities on O'Connell St

I'm guessing there would be some sort of facilities for the staff that work there during the day that drivers could use at night.

LeinsterDub

Kyleboy wrote: »

Really, are you sure?. Can you tell us how you know this?

I think it was this episode https://open.spotify.com/episode/1aksUh2K081YIvLLY4KSES

bk

WOW, absolutely outstanding figures for a brand new service.

Noel Rocks Twitter has detailed boardings for the 41 on the first 5 days:

https://twitter.com/NoelRock/status/1206183141960028161

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EL05K_8X0AA-EVf.jpg



Very interesting, really good loadings for a service that is new and people might not be aware of yet.

It certainly shows the need for more 12, to 12:30 departures, even up to 2am. 77 people on one bus at 12 on a Wednesday night!.

It also clearly shows the need for more early morning services from 4:30 on. 107 on the 5:30, that must have been one jam packed bus.

Kyleboy

devnull wrote: »

Believe it's what Donal Keating who is operations director of Dublin Bus said when interviewed on the On The Move podcast recently.

OK thanks for clearing that up.

dfx-

Anyone who has been on public transport in the city after 7pm or the early Luases knew through-the-night regular services would be very popular and have known it for years or decades.

Kyleboy

LeinsterDub wrote: »

I think it was this episode https://open.spotify.com/episode/1aksUh2K081YIvLLY4KSES

Thanks, i heard this at the time.

cgcsb

Anyone know about the 39? The buses from 10 until the last one are dangerously overloaded. Drivers are letting people on even though there's no room because it's better than leaving them in the cold until the next one comes. The result is people standing on the stairs a d filling every square cm of the bus. The maynooth line commuter doesn't have usable frequency at that hour either so the Blanch area is effectively cut off from the rest of Dublin.

L1011

cgcsb wrote: »

Anyone know about the 39? The buses from 10 until the last one are dangerously overloaded. Drivers are letting people on even though there's no room because it's better than leaving them in the cold until the next one comes. The result is people standing on the stairs a d filling every square cm of the bus. The maynooth line commuter doesn't have usable frequency at that hour either so the Blanch area is effectively cut off from the rest of Dublin.

This is the same on the 66 and 67; and I'd imagine plenty of other routes.

Going 24h alone probably won't ease that off too much - some people will stay later but plenty of it is retail/service industry workers finishing work and those times won't change.

punisher5112

Complain to the NTA and bus provider.

Anne Graham NTA and db CEO Ray Coyne is where I would start.

Photo would be good too if it's a regular occurrence as they need more buses.

dashcamdanny

I hear driver complaining about the state of the bus at the end of the shift. Covered in vomit , beer tins and half eaten take aways.
Last trips catching early morning commuter .

People having to go to work in the same bus a bunch of drunken twats soiled.

LeinsterDub

dashcamdanny wrote: »

I hear driver complaining about the state of the bus at the end of the shift. Covered in vomit , beer tins and half eaten take aways.
Last trips catching early morning commuter .

People having to go to work in the same bus a bunch of drunken twats soiled.

Donal Keating stated the buses would be cleaned before reentering service

punisher5112

dashcamdanny wrote: »

I hear driver complaining about the state of the bus at the end of the shift. Covered in vomit , beer tins and half eaten take aways.
Last trips catching early morning commuter .

People having to go to work in the same bus a bunch of drunken twats soiled.

I've had that during the day too.

Puke in pint glasses, puke everywhere such as ceiling, rails, seats, floor, windows....

Bottles everywhere, piss on seats, bottles of piss, nappies, dirty tissues even blood covered, syringes, full bags of house hold rubbish, tons of papers, magazines that are well out of date, shoe box with soiled clothes, boxers, **** covered shoes and few other bits.....

The other day someone obviously ate banana and puked it down the window, side of seat and floor..... Yum I can still taste the smell....

Last year was the worst for those pissing themselves as had 2 or more downstairs and a load upstairs.....

punisher5112

There use to be a mobile cleaning unit, she never really done much to be honest....

Qrt

punisher5112 wrote: »

I've had that during the day too.

Puke in pint glasses, puke everywhere such as ceiling, rails, seats, floor, windows....

Bottles everywhere, piss on seats, bottles of piss, nappies, dirty tissues even blood covered, syringes, full bags of house hold rubbish, tons of papers, magazines that are well out of date, shoe box with soiled clothes, boxers, **** covered shoes and few other bits.....

The other day someone obviously ate banana and puked it down the window, side of seat and floor..... Yum I can still taste the smell....

Last year was the worst for those pissing themselves as had 2 or more downstairs and a load upstairs.....

Considering we’ve had nitelinks for years without this level of incident, forgive me if I take this with a pinch of salt.

punisher5112

Qrt wrote: »

Considering we’ve had nitelinks for years without this level of incident, forgive me if I take this with a pinch of salt.

That wasn't on the nitelinks.....

I've said many times I rarely had any issues on nitelinks apart from sleepers but sure I get that during the day....

I couldn't give a rat's a#s if you don't believe me.

Joker2019

dashcamdanny wrote: »

I hear driver complaining about the state of the bus at the end of the shift. Covered in vomit , beer tins and half eaten take aways.
Last trips catching early morning commuter .

People having to go to work in the same bus a bunch of drunken twats soiled.

I saw an EV doing a 15c there a few weeks ago. I'm guessing that was a Summerhill bus that did a night shift on the 15 then finished up on a 15c at about 9 in the morning. Seems odd that they'd put an EV on a dual door route at a time when there's plenty of spare buses in the depot.

.G.

punisher5112 wrote: »

I've had that during the day too.

Puke in pint glasses, puke everywhere such as ceiling, rails, seats, floor, windows....

Bottles everywhere, piss on seats, bottles of piss, nappies, dirty tissues even blood covered, syringes, full bags of house hold rubbish, tons of papers, magazines that are well out of date, shoe box with soiled clothes, boxers, **** covered shoes and few other bits.....

The other day someone obviously ate banana and puked it down the window, side of seat and floor..... Yum I can still taste the smell....

Last year was the worst for those pissing themselves as had 2 or more downstairs and a load upstairs.....

I worked St Patricks day one year, was like this, I was on a early too. Never worked it again after that. I never had trouble on the nitelinks either, people just want to get home. You'll get smoking but no chance I'm making an issue of that with a bus full of drunk people.

punisher5112

Joker2019 wrote: »

I saw an EV doing a 15c there a few weeks ago. I'm guessing that was a Summerhill bus that did a night shift on the 15 then finished up on a 15c at about 9 in the morning. Seems odd that they'd put an EV on a dual door route at a time when there's plenty of spare buses in the depot.

Was most likely a maintenance issue and was 1st bus maintenance jumped into to bring out.

thenightman

dashcamdanny wrote: »

I hear driver complaining about the state of the bus at the end of the shift. Covered in vomit , beer tins and half eaten take aways.
Last trips catching early morning commuter .

People having to go to work in the same bus a bunch of drunken twats soiled.

Plenty of early morning 13's I've gotten over the years have been disgusting, with urine and traces of vomit upstairs, bus clearly only given a cursory clean before going into service. Amazing Dublin Bus employees are only making an issue out of this now, seeing as they need another angle to pick on the late night services cos the loadings are good.

Joker2019

punisher5112 wrote: »

Was most likely a maintenance issue and was 1st bus maintenance jumped into to bring out.

I thought it was odd as most garages keep their single door buses in at weekends now so would've thought it would be the same at night.

john boye

Joker2019 wrote: »

I thought it was odd as most garages keep their single door buses in at weekends now so would've thought it would be the same at night.

If it was a 15C in the morning then it was most likely a Ringsend bogey.

dashcamdanny

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Donal Keating stated the buses would be cleaned before reentering service

Yes, but some of the 24hr buses dont leave service. Its the same bus and driver on his last lap picking up early bird commuters.

Joker2019

john boye wrote: »

If it was a 15C in the morning then it was most likely a Ringsend bogey.

This was going coming in from Clongriffin. Would have thought Ringsend duties all start from Ballycullen if it's a 15c.

Joker2019

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Yes, but some of the 24hr buses dont leave service. Its the same bus and driver on his last lap picking up early bird commuters.

Ah come on now it seems people are making up issues with these services despite the fact these 24hr services are clearly so far a sucess. If the buses are not fit for passenger service ie they were soiled then they would be taken out of service as per DB company policy surely.

john boye

Joker2019 wrote: »

This was going coming in from Clongriffin. Would have thought Ringsend duties all start from Ballycullen if it's a 15c.

Possibly a Harristown extra then? I don't know if they put single-doors on their 15 extras like Ringsend do though.

Joker2019

john boye wrote: »

Possibly a Harristown extra then? I don't know if they put single-doors on their 15 extras like Ringsend do though.

I have heard elsewhere that Summerhill have put EVs on their overnight duties

LeinsterDub

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Yes, but some of the 24hr buses dont leave service. Its the same bus and driver on his last lap picking up early bird commuters.

What time are we talking about ?

Joker2019

What difference does it make to drivers if the bus is soiled in the passenger compartment. It's not affecting the drivers cab unless the smell is really bad.

punisher5112

Joker2019 wrote: »

What difference does it make to drivers if the bus is soiled in the passenger compartment. It's not affecting the drivers cab unless the smell is really bad.

It causes many issues as it's not safe, smell is a big one of course and danger of slips/falls etc.....

Happens quite a lot.

Joker2019

punisher5112 wrote: »

It causes many issues as it's not safe, smell is a big one of course and danger of slips/falls etc.....

Happens quite a lot.

The same with any liquid such as beer, coca cola, water etc. Hell should be buses not be driven on a wet day as the floor will be also be wet. Obivously buses should be withdrawn for reasons of passenger comfort but I don't see the issues for drivers. The drivers hardly going to get into trouble as they could just say that they didn't know.

AlekSmart

punisher5112 wrote: »

It causes many issues as it's not safe, smell is a big one of course and danger of slips/falls etc.....

Happens quite a lot.

Should a passenger slip/trip or fall as a result of these elements,and it can be shown that the Company did not take all available measures to remove those increased elements of risk,then this issue will be settled in the Courts.

Remember this is not a one trick pony operation,but a major operators with pre-existing systems for dealing with these exact situations.

If a Busdriver,who is actually on location,makes a decision to request a change of Bus for safety reasons,then the remotely situated Manager/Inspector/Controller refusing this request had better have substantial cover available for their backside,as it will be their refusal to implement the Company's own Health & Safety procedures which will be the deciding factor in establishing how many 000's in punitive damages will be added to the award in Court.

dashcamdanny

Joker2019 wrote: »

Ah come on now it seems people are making up issues with these services despite the fact these 24hr services are clearly so far a sucess. If the buses are not fit for passenger service ie they were soiled then they would be taken out of service as per DB company policy surely.

Yeah, but the problem there is, the lap is dropped to take it back for a swap. Which will also cost the company as the NTA may fine DB for a missed service as well as the farebox.

Option 1. sit in soiled bus

Option 2. Bus trip cancelled, sit at the bus stop in the cold waiting for the next .


What needs to happen is drivers or inspectors need to stop letting pissheads on or letting people on with food and drink.
As per company by-laws .

A strong advertisement would be a start. But those upstairs wont .

AlekSmart

Joker2019 wrote: »

The same with any liquid such as beer, coca cola, water etc. Hell should be buses not be driven on a wet day as the floor will be also be wet. Obivously buses should be withdrawn for reasons of passenger comfort but I don't see the issues for drivers. The drivers hardly going to get into trouble as they could just say that they didn't know.

Should a Driver be advised by a customer,usually as they alight,that there is an issue on a bus,then that driver would be VERY well advised to check the issue out and take appropriate action,ie:request a change of vehicle or remove the vehicle from service as directed by Control/Inspector.

Both Health & Safety and assessment of Claims Risks are very real issues which ANY Public Transport Operator will want to ensure stays centre-stage...if they want to avoid significant,yet avoidable losses due to compensation awards.

Joker2019

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Yeah, but the problem there is, the lap is dropped to take it back for a swap. Which will also cost the company as the NTA may fine DB for a missed service as well as the farebox.

Option 1. sit in soiled bus

Option 2. Bus trip cancelled, sit at the bus stop in the cold waiting for the next .


What needs to happen is drivers or inspectors need to stop letting pissheads on or letting people on with food and drink.
As per company by-laws .

A strong advertisement would be a start. But those upstairs wont .

Makes little difference to the bus drivers at the end of the day surely. They will still be getting paid. If drivers didn't let drinks then they would have to put up with a tirade of verbal abuse and possible physical assault. When I'm at work I generally try to avoid conflict and make my job as easy as possible.

punisher5112

Joker2019 wrote: »

The same with any liquid such as beer, coca cola, water etc. Hell should be buses not be driven on a wet day as the floor will be also be wet. Obivously buses should be withdrawn for reasons of passenger comfort but I don't see the issues for drivers. The drivers hardly going to get into trouble as they could just say that they didn't know.

No it isn't, I am an employee a long time and they have anti slip flooring which is great, drinks don't tend to create a slip hazard but bodily fluids would do so as unfortunately I've slipped in vomit before onboard.....

bk

I'd assume as more routes become 24/7 that it will also become easier to deal with any of these sort of operational issues.

If there are a dozen or more 24/7 routes operating, then it would be easier to justify having a dedicated night time canteen for drivers in the city center or to have one or two buses on standby in the city center to swap out a bus if soiled, etc.

It is probably more difficult to justify such resources when you are talking just one or two routes.

It is hardly surprising that when you are rolling out a major new service that there will be teething problems and growing pains, frankly I'd be shocked if their were no issues.

The good news is that it sounds like it is a major success with the public and sounds like it will only increase and expand. And non of the issues raised sound like they couldn't be relatively easily sorted with an expanding service.

punisher5112

Wonder what next recession will have in mind in all the extra services....

bk

punisher5112 wrote: »

Wonder what next recession will have in mind in all the extra services....

I wouldn't see it changing much. Probably less frequency, but you'd still have staff and tourists going to and from the airport. And all the other people who use buses at night to get to and from jobs.

If anything you might see an increase in passenger numbers, as people decide to take the cheaper bus then an expensive taxi.

Remember a lot of the intercity coach services like Aircoach to Cork operating almost 24/7 started in the middle of the last recession and grew quickly and strongly from there. Some might have said they were mad, but in retrospect, a much cheaper alternative to the train, it now makes a lot of sense.

Radio Gold

Remember a lot of the intercity coach services like Aircoach to Cork operating almost 24/7 started in the middle of the last recession and grew quickly and strongly from there. Some might have said they were mad, but in retrospect, a much cheaper alternative to the train, it now makes a lot of sense.[/QUOTE]

Also the Belfast X1/X2a Expressway service has been operating almost 24/7 as well, It was one of the first Expressway / Goldline routes to do so.

Joker2019

AlekSmart wrote: »

Should a Driver be advised by a customer,usually as they alight,that there is an issue on a bus,then that driver would be VERY well advised to check the issue out and take appropriate action,ie:request a change of vehicle or remove the vehicle from service as directed by Control/Inspector.

Both Health & Safety and assessment of Claims Risks are very real issues which ANY Public Transport Operator will want to ensure stays centre-stage...if they want to avoid significant,yet avoidable losses due to compensation awards.

The one time I informed a driver about a defect in a bus I was on told there was nothing he could do.

Midnight_EG

hurl34 wrote: »

Of Course DB PR will say all is good, what else would you expect from them?

Facts they are not a popular duty, of course it has a few willing drivers, but the rest are new drivers, with no choice, now when the the bus is filthy and they call control, they are being bullied/intimidated to carry on, they are new and dont want to rock the boat, cant blame them.

Unions are not happy, see below

imgur.com/a/kYpfqzv

I'd just like to make it know that new drivers are not being forced to do the night shift. It's not in our contracts either. Also, being in the job 3 months I've not had one bit of bullying or intimidation from any controllers so I'm curious about where you got that from? To be rightly honest, a few weeks ago I called with a bulb blown and the controller couldn't have been nicer about it, dropped the trip and had a bus waiting for me in town to switch into.

LeinsterDub

hurl34 wrote: »

Of Course DB PR will say all is good, what else would you expect from them?

Facts they are not a popular duty, of course it has a few willing drivers, but the rest are new drivers, with no choice, now when the the bus is filthy and they call control, they are being bullied/intimidated to carry on, they are new and dont want to rock the boat, cant blame them.

Unions are not happy, see below

imgur.com/a/kYpfqzv

The NBRU are rarely happy I'm afraid.

p_haugh

hurl34 wrote: »

New 145 timetable in January and it will have a 24 hour service, the new post 2330 service will run too and from Charelsland greystones to city centre, dont know where in CC

Interesting choices there if this is actually the case. I’d doubt it would be heuston as there’s no trains or anything at that hour of the night, possibly Parnell Square or Mountjoy Square?
Although given the 7/A don’t layover on Mountjoy Square after 18:30 due to antisocial behaviour that probably wont be an option.

Joker2019

p_haugh wrote: »

Interesting choices there if this is actually the case. I’d doubt it would be heuston as there’s no trains or anything at that hour of the night, possibly Parnell Square or Mountjoy Square?
Although given the 7/A don’t layover on Mountjoy Square after 18:30 due to antisocial behaviour that probably wont be an option.

I guess they could use Parnell Square. Would have thought the 155 would be a better choice due to it's cross city nature.

Joker2019

No 24hr service on NYE night despite the fact that Nitelinks will be operating which is riddiculous carry on if you ask me. I don't remember buses finsihinh early on NYE either until a few years ago.

Stevek101

Joker2019 wrote: »

No 24hr service on NYE night despite the fact that Nitelinks will be operating which is riddiculous carry on if you ask me. I don't remember buses finsihinh early on NYE either until a few years ago.

Service stops at 2200 and commences again at 0000.