Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

Itssoeasy

Does anyone know off hand what the shortest term as prime minister has been ?

InTheShadows

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I think people saying that Boris is the British version of trump. Take brexit out of it but while he not give the best public image and comes across as eccentric at times it’s an unfair comparison. I mean unlike trump Boris isn’t a complete and utter idiot, he seems to give off that impression.

Yes of course Donald Trump a self made billionaire and a guy who has the intelligence to become president of the most powerful country on earth is an idiot :rolleyes:

Jesus wept......

ancapailldorcha

One-liners/Meme dumps deleted and sanctions issued. No more please.

Zubeneschamali

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Does anyone know off hand what the shortest term as prime minister has been ?

George Canning, 119 days, 1827.

Theresa May passed Gordon Browne, the Duke of Wellington and Neville Chamberlain but will fall short of James Callaghan by the looks of it.

Boris will have to make it into November to avoid being the shortest PM ever.

Tell me how

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Does anyone know off hand what the shortest term as prime minister has been ?

George Canning. April to August 1827 apparently.

kunst nugget

InTheShadows wrote: »

Yes of course Donald Trump a self made billionaire and a guy who has the intelligence to become president of the most powerful country on earth is an idiot :rolleyes:

Jesus wept......

Donald Trump is a self made billionaire? When did that happen...

robinph

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I think people saying that Boris is the British version of trump. Take brexit out of it but while he not give the best public image and comes across as eccentric at times it’s an unfair comparison. I mean unlike trump Boris isn’t a complete and utter idiot, he seems to give off that impression.

The world should be thankful that it isn't Johnson in the US and Trump in the UK.

Johnson would be far more dangerous as he does actually have some brain cells in between his ears and half of the buffoonery is an act, whilst with Trump he doesn't actually know what or why he is doing anything.

10000maniacs

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I think people saying that Boris is the British version of trump. Take brexit out of it but while he not give the best public image and comes across as eccentric at times it’s an unfair comparison. I mean unlike trump Boris isn’t a complete and utter idiot, he seems to give off that impression.

Everybody with whom Boris has to deal with in the coming weeks has been derogated by him at some point, sometimes in a racist, sexist or nasty manner. Not very clever to do this with such a small majority in the Commons or with a mountain to move in Brussels.
You have to convince me that he isn’t a complete and utter idiot based on this.

Russman

This almost feels like that scene at the start of The Dark Knight, before the movie actually starts, where Heath Ledger (Joker) appears and says "and here we go..."

Joking aside, I wonder just when the overtures to Brussels will begin (ie before or after their summer recess) and the no doubt, choreographed statements from various EU capitals. Should be an interesting autumn before reality bites, or will it ?

Itssoeasy

InTheShadows wrote: »

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I think people saying that Boris is the British version of trump. Take brexit out of it but while he not give the best public image and comes across as eccentric at times it’s an unfair comparison. I mean unlike trump Boris isn’t a complete and utter idiot, he seems to give off that impression.

Yes of course Donald Trump a self made billionaire and a guy who has the intelligence to become president of the most powerful country on earth is an idiot :rolleyes:

Jesus wept......

Self made ? His father giving him millions since he was born isn’t self made in any way. He at most could be described as clever in how he got people to vote for him. Intelligent he isn’t.

Itssoeasy

You’d go for a pint with his dad.

Pedro K

InTheShadows wrote: »

Yes of course Donald Trump a self made billionaire and a guy who has the intelligence to become president of the most powerful country on earth is an idiot :rolleyes:

Jesus wept......

Sorry to drag off topic, but first off, he's not self made. His daddy made him. He bankrupted a casino, and he thought there were airports in 1781. He is an idiot.

MrMusician18

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So the Conservative party and the UK will get the real life version of tim dim but nice.

He's neither nice nor dim.

Tell me how

Wow.

Johnson's father just now on Sky. Asked the interviewer 'Who are you with' and then turned away from them to tell someone else basically 'look how far I have come compared to you, I'm father of the PM.'

ancapailldorcha

Mod: We have a separate thread for Trump. Please keep this on Brexit & Brexit-related topics.

BobbyBobberson

Tell me how wrote: »

Wow.

Johnson's father just now on Sky. Asked the interviewer 'Who are you with' and then turned away from them to tell someone else basically 'look how far I have come compared to you, I'm father of the PM.'

Might be a fact short lived.

Tell me how

BobbyBobberson wrote: »

Might be a fact short lived.

I know, but it just shows the mentality of the people involved.
Once Boris is PM, his family will order the portraits, change the wikipedia page and business cards and forever remind people of it.


Here's what he said. (from Twitter)

A very odd moment where Stanley Johnson live on Sky News just said to someone off camera 'do you remember we were both on a ballot in 1974' - look where you have gone and look where i have gone 'father of the PM'
@BorisJohnson
the prick gene carries

Rjd2

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I think people saying that Boris is the British version of trump. Take brexit out of it but while he not give the best public image and comes across as eccentric at times it’s an unfair comparison. I mean unlike trump Boris isn’t a complete and utter idiot, he seems to give off that impression.

Its a lazy narrative. I don't like either, but Johnson is not a hardcore nationalist like Trump whatsoever, he is very much from the one nation version of conservatism like Cameron and if he was in power nobody would be screaming Trump at him.

Neither are suitable for their respective roles, but suggesting they are the same is analysis without nuance.

EKRIUQ

i'm just loving this next chapter of Brexit, the one man who wouldn't shut up and had all the answers is now the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. How long will his honeymoon last.

I'm looking forward to how the press is going to react to him often people are excused thing when there on the onside shouting in, now that he has the driving seat I want to see where he's going to go.

Shelga

Can parliament compel Johnson to ask for an extension? Or will that not happen, without a specific reason?

More likely, I suppose, is that a GE will happen after a vote of no confidence in the government. Who actually asks for the extension in that case?

ancapailldorcha

Shelga wrote: »

Can parliament compel Johnson to ask for an extension? Or will that not happen, without a specific reason?

More likely, I suppose, is that a GE will happen after a vote of no confidence in the government. Who actually asks for the extension in that case?

It can. It did so before with May. Parliament here is sovereign, not the people or the Prime Minister.

Adamcp898

Not sure I get these comparisons between Trump and BoJo that we're seeing. I mean one comes from a political dynasty with links to the aristocracy going back generations and the other is a second generation immigrant. You could argue that one joined the political ruling class because it was exactly what was expected of him whereas the other entered politics promising to rail against the political ruling class.

Mr.Nice Guy

For someone who has waited his entire life for this moment, Johnson's speech was poor fare. He wasn't as dismissive as he could have been which suggests he will make a go at some type of rapprochement. That could well end in acrimony, though.

Nicola Sturgeon has really been handed a dream hand these last few years. The UK will soon be led by a figure who is even more unpopular in Scotland than Farage, and who is threatening a policy that nearly 2/3 of Scots reject.

The key thing for Sturgeon now is the timing of the next independence referendum. Does she come out and call for one now ahead of a possible election, thus making it a precondition of any prospective deal with the Labout party and/or Lib Dems? Or is it better for her to let Brexit take place, have it start to sting the Scottish economy, and then call for it to happen to capitalise on the mess?

It could be argued she's better off waiting and let Johnson commit gaffe after gaffe, thus growing support for independence; but what happens if Johnson is so inept that he gets replaced by a more competent Tory, and thus an independence referendum has a stronger figure to contend with in number 10? It's a big call for her. If I were her I'd lean towards waiting a little longer before calling for one but I don't think she should wait too long.

Igotadose

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Not sure I get these comparisons between Trump and BoJo that we're seeing. I mean one comes from a political dynasty with links to the aristocracy going back generations and the other is a second generation immigrant. You could argue that one joined the political ruling class because it was exactly what was expected of him whereas the other entered politics promising to rail against the political ruling class.

1. Neither appears to be too smart or have any substantial life achievements prior to entering politics
2. Both are obese
3. Both have bad hair
4. Both shoot from the lip, and regularly say bigoted things ('postboxes' for Boris, Trump... just look for a headline anytime in the past 2-3 years).
5. Both represent parties that are minority in the countries, based on the most recent elections

VinLieger

Igotadose wrote: »

5. Both represent parties that are minority in the countries, based on the most recent elections

The UK hasn't had a majority elected government Bar the Conservative - Lib Dem coalition since the 1950's

Stop moaning ffs

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

For someone who has waited his entire life for this moment, Johnson's speech was poor fare. He wasn't as dismissive as he could have been which suggests he will make a go at some type of rapprochement. That could well end in acrimony, though.

Nicola Sturgeon has really been handed a dream hand these last few years. The UK will soon be led by a figure who is even more unpopular in Scotland than Farage, and who is threatening a policy that nearly 2/3 of Scots reject.

The key thing for Sturgeon now is the timing of the next independence referendum. Does she come out and call for one now ahead of a possible election, thus making it a precondition of any prospective deal with the Labout party and/or Lib Dems? Or is it better for her to let Brexit take place, have it start to sting the Scottish economy, and then call for it to happen to capitalise on the mess?

It could be argued she's better off waiting and let Johnson commit gaffe after gaffe, thus growing support for independence; but what happens if Johnson is so inept that he gets replaced by a more competent Tory, and thus an independence referendum has a stronger figure to contend with in number 10? It's a big call for her. If I were her I'd lean towards waiting a little longer before calling for one but I don't think she should wait too long.

Hasn’t she already said it’s 2021 they’re holding the Indy ref?

Adamcp898

Igotadose wrote: »

1. Neither appears to be too smart or have any substantial life achievements prior to entering politics
2. Both are obese
3. Both have bad hair
4. Both shoot from the lip, and regularly say bigoted things ('postboxes' for Boris, Trump... just look for a headline anytime in the past 2-3 years).
5. Both represent parties that are minority in the countries, based on the most recent elections

Most of your points are fairly superficial though. So, like I said, I don't get it.

But on your first one; well, I'm not going to be the great defender of either man, but on paper at least I'm sure plenty would beg to differ.

Larbre34

VinLieger wrote: »

The UK hasn't had a majority elected government Bar the Conservative - Lib Dem coalition since the 1950's

How do you mean, what about Thatcher and Blair's overall majorities to name a few?

gooch2k9

Larbre34 wrote: »

How do you mean, what about Thatcher and Blair's overall majorities to name a few?

I think he means how FPTP can give a house majority with only ~35% of the vote.

I hope now that a Brexiteer is in charge he brings in his Brexiteer mates like JRM and Davis. They will have no excuse that remainers are frustrating their efforts now, and frankly I'm sick of them sniping from the sidelines.

ancapailldorcha

Larbre34 wrote: »

How do you mean, what about Thatcher and Blair's overall majorities to name a few?

The poster is referring to the percentage of votes gained. Under FPTP, this correlates very poorly with the amount of seats gained in the House of Commons.