Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

nc6000

Stop moaning ffs wrote:

Please let it be Francois. Only way this could become more farcical

Yes, he wants to go straight to the free trade deal. His new sound bite is "No deal is better than a bad deal but not as good as a free trade deal" or words to that effect.

VinLieger

J Mysterio wrote: »

She has played a huge part in the calamity that has befallen the UK and you think she deserves applause?

Never mind her cheek lecturing people now about compromise etc. She has been a disaster.

Indeed but the Labour front bench havent exactly covered themselves in glory either so them trying to make a point by not applauding kind of just reminds everyone how rubbish they have been also.

ancapailldorcha

Tell me how wrote: »

Carole Cadwalladr is pretty much hoping that he actually proceeds with his case as it will allow them to produce all their evidence in a court of law.

Can't see him persisting with it but also think it was a stupid move to start proceedings. Especially since Vote Leave retracted their appeal for the fine which was imposed on them.

It's an empty threat but it's important to see the light being shone on this.

Banks will have a legal team who will have advised against litigation for this reason. However, I am grateful that progress is being made in investigating these surreptitious dealings.

jmayo

BobbyBobberson wrote: »

Anyone watching newsnight? Priti Patel tipped to be home secretary which will be something to say the least.

Did anyone catch the interview of James Cleverly by Emily Maitlis.
New leader same shyte from Brixiteers.

For anyone that didn't see it, the gist is.

He talked about Boris doing negotiations with EU about withdrawal and he didn't even flinch when Maitlis countered with "so the EU have agreed to reopen negotiations on WA". She even asked when they found out about this.
And everytime she pointedly brought this up he either ignored it or just blathered on with usual cr**.

They are still living in cloud cuckoo land.

lawred2

seamus wrote: »

Meh. Too much is made of adhering to pointless pomp and tradition. It's half of the reason the UK is in this mess.

I don't see why anyone should be obliged by convention to applaud someone that they don't respect.

And has shown little to no respect to the labour party in her entire time as PM.

FrancieBrady

jmayo wrote: »

Did anyone catch the interview of James Cleverly by Emily Maitlis.
New leader same shyte from Brixiteers.

For anyone that didn't see it, the gist is.

He talked about Boris doing negotiations with EU about withdrawal and he didn't even flinch when Maitlis countered with "so the EU have agreed to reopen negotiations on WA". She even asked when they found out about this.
And everytime she pointedly brought this up he either ignored it or just blathered on with usual cr**.

They are still living in cloud cuckoo land.

Saw that, he was ably assisted by Johnson's campaign team member on the end. Waffling some nebulous stuff about him being capable of leading people.

When it came to 'leading them where to exactly?' both of them were mute.

For Forks Sake

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Arron Banks has apparently threatened to sue Netflix over it which alone is reason enough to justify watching it IMO.

I see Dominic Cummings has been brought in as an advisor to Boris.

If you haven't watched it already, have a look at Brexit - The Uncivil War (Sky/C4 production) it's very lightly fictionalized but based on his shenanigans in the Vote Leave campaign.

VinLieger

Shes on her way to the palace, doubt we will see any major upsets now even thought its very possible Johnson could lose a VONC in even a day or two

bilston

Interesting that May is still going to sit in Parliament, I suspect we haven't heard the last of her. She could be a thorn in Johnson's side, particularly if he pursues a No Deal.

briany

VinLieger wrote: »

Shes on her way to the palace, doubt we will see any major upsets now even thought its very possible Johnson could lose a VONC in even a day or two

What I'm reading is that Corbyn plans to wait until after the Summer recess, but it's too late either way. Labour getting in at this stage just puts them in a Karl Donitz type situation.

Stop moaning ffs

Just a point on radio about Boris calling an election to beat the no confidence vote to the punch. He then can say they’re blocking him from delivering brexit and it gives him an extension which he probably wants privately but obviously won’t say publicly.

trellheim

bilston wrote: »

Interesting that May is still going to sit in Parliament, I suspect we haven't heard the last of her. She could be a thorn in Johnson's side, particularly if he pursues a No Deal.

A byelection might change the numbers and take it to nearly a minority, she needs to keep being there

LordBasil

trellheim wrote: »

A byelection might change the numbers and take it to nearly a minority, she needs to keep being there

Most former Prime Ministers remain in Parliament, at least until the next General Election at the earliest.

kuro68k

For Forks Sake wrote: »

I see Dominic Cummings has been brought in as an advisor to Boris.

Dark days. The biggest liars and cheats are now running the show. The only reason to get Cummings in is to have an expert liar on your side.

bilston wrote: »

Interesting that May is still going to sit in Parliament, I suspect we haven't heard the last of her. She could be a thorn in Johnson's side, particularly if he pursues a No Deal.

That's what ex-PMs do, heckle from the back. Freed of any worries about their legacy (hers is in ruins anyway) they can say what they really think.

Having said that, May might keep quiet to avoid further blame and to demonstrate that she wasn't actually that bad, it was just an impossible task.

trellheim

Dark days. The biggest liars and cheats are now running the show. The only reason to get Cummings in is to have an expert liar on your side.

Cummings is the darkest face of Brexit you can imagine, every single lie from the machine was approved right there.


As Carole Cadwalladr said today this is ridiculous he ran vote leave and they were found to have lied by the Electoral Commission.

Sam Russell

LordBasil wrote: »

Most former Prime Ministers remain in Parliament, at least until the next General Election at the earliest.

Particularly when the majority is only two, and a by-election coming up which is likely to be a loss to the Tories. I think she would not be forgiven if she reduced the majority to zero.

newport2

Laois_Man wrote: »

It may have taken 'til her last day to do it, but Teresa May has finally said something good in the HoC....to Jeremy Corbyn....as a leader who recognized when it was her time to go, perhaps it's time for you to do the same"

She probably waited until now to say it because he was one of her biggest assets while she was PM

Strazdas

trellheim wrote: »

Cummings is the darkest face of Brexit you can imagine, every single lie from the machine was approved right there.


As Carole Cadwalladr said today this is ridiculous he ran vote leave and they were found to have lied by the Electoral Commission.

Fascinating to read though that there is no love lost between he and the ERG and he positively hates people like IDS and Bill Cash. This could get very messy and rancorous.

54and56

Laois_Man wrote: »

It may have taken 'til her last day to do it, but Teresa May has finally said something good in the HoC....to Jeremy Corbyn....as a leader who recognized when it was her time to go, perhaps it's time for you to do the same"

I think the Tories will be praying that Corbyn stays exactly where he is for as long as possible. If Labour had an electable leader (Watson or Starmer for example) the Tories would almost certainly have zero chance of being re-elected regardless of whether they eventually fell across the line with this stage of Brexit.

The Tories need time off the stage to have an internal process of re-examination to determine how they want to move forward. They are currently made up of two factions which are opposite polarities when it comes to Europe. Until that issue is settled they are effectively un-electable providing Corbyn isn't still Labour leader.

dublinman1990

Just seen on the news that Greenpeace are protesting across the Mall outside the Palace. They tried to blockade BJ's car going into Buckingham Palace.

It failed spectacularly because half of the the human protest banner had to be broken up in half by the Police.

1st dalkey dalkey

From the veteran political journalist Michael Crick

"It’s worth remembering that for the last 40+ years every PM has lasted longer than most experts have forecast - Callaghan, Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron and even May. True of many of their predecessors too"

Wwe might be stuck with Bozo for longer then anyone hoped.

Leo will just have to play the game he did with the Donald.

Stop moaning ffs

It seems Johnson is going to be doing ‘shuttle diplomacy’ and visiting all the EU capitals. They have learned absolutely nothing.

dublinman1990

There is a lot of shouting by a bloke going on outside Westminster on the BBC.

Stop moaning ffs

dublinman1990 wrote: »

There is a lot of shouting by a bloke going on outside Westminster on the BBC.

There’s two of them. There every day shouting. One pro brexit. One anti brexit.

Both bonkers

Seth Brundle

The EU were to hold an EGM today.
Any word on it?

briany

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

It seems Johnson is going to be doing ‘shuttle diplomacy’ and visiting all the EU capitals. They have learned absolutely nothing.

P.R. move. Boris just wants to be able to say that he tried talking some sense to the EU before swinging the no-deal hammer. He also gets a whistlestop Summer holiday around Europe.

Stop moaning ffs

briany wrote: »

P.R. move. Boris just wants to be able to say that he tried talking some sense to the EU before swinging the no-deal hammer. He also gets a whistlestop Summer holiday around Europe.

It’ll backfire spectacularly when he comes home from all with absolutely nothing.

lawred2

VinLieger wrote: »

100 quid bet he would wear his TA uniform, that deffinitely wont fit, to his first meeting with the EU

if there are war medals in the family - you just know he's wearing them!

dublinman1990

BJ now has the job of PM.

Larbre34

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

There’s two of them. There every day shouting. One pro brexit. One anti brexit.

Both bonkers

They aren't any less bonkers than some of the characters that inhabit the building. For example, if you google 'mad tory mps' the first result is the wiki page of Michael Fabricant. Mogg, Francois and Cawzynski mustn't be far behind.