Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

funkey_monkey

Julian Smith to NI according to the Beeb.

Stop moaning ffs

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Julian Smith to NI according to the Beeb.

Ive never even heard of that person.
Does this mean they’ll be as clueless as Bradley?

J Mysterio

Joe_ Public wrote: »

The notion that when it really comes to the crunch all these anti no-deal conservatives will stay loyal to their party and avert the threat of a Jeremy Corbyn administration is fatally flawed imo. Justine Greening called no deal "the most profoundly unconservative policy i've ever come across" on tv this morning. For these people the immediate threat isn't Corbyn, its the thought of plunging their country into the kind of unmitigated chaos none of them have seen before. Ken Clarke is standing down at the next election, as are several other of his colleagues, they have nothing to lose and i dont think it would matter if they did anyway, they will take Johnson down if the need arises. I have absolutely no doubt about it.

Boris might be putting together this cabinet to precipitate the breakdown of government and force a GE. I wouldn't put anything past him.

FrancieBrady

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Ive never even heard of that person.
Does this mean they’ll be as clueless as Bradley?

Article behind a paywall, but the headline wouldn't inspire confidence.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/01/julian-smith-beleaguered-chief-whip-long-record-mistakes/

Enzokk

So yesterday we had a discussion about voting records speaking for themselves, I assume we can have the same thinking regarding a PM and their cabinet choices and what they stand for. In that case, Boris Johnson is a right wing racist who is going to ruin the country and could take us with him.

Harry Palmr

Jeremy Hunt looks to have been given the bums rush (or didn't seek a position knowing he'd not be asked)

J Mysterio

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Jeremy Hunt looks to have been given the bums rush (or didn't seek a position knowing he'd not be asked)

Supposedly, he wanted what Boris would not offer him: Chancellor/ Home Sec/ Foreign Affairs.

Rjd2

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Apart from being a Brexiteer cabinet, this is also a very right wing cabinet.

As others have pointed out this is the most libertarian type government we have seen for a long time in the UK.

Definitely going to be interesting until it goes Pete Tong.

ancapailldorcha

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Jeremy Hunt looks to have been given the bums rush (or didn't seek a position knowing he'd not be asked)

He refused to be moved from Foreign Secretary which is one of the four great offices of state so Johnson had to remove him as he'll have allies who will expect rewarding for their support.

Atlantic Dawn

Sky News have their Brexit countdown graphic back, only 99 days to go, lol.

Rjd2

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

He refused to be moved from Foreign Secretary which is one of the four great offices of state so Johnson had to remove him as he'll have allies who will expect rewarding for their support.

Not a totally unique strategy to be fair.

Do think its an odd call to dispatch Brokenshire,,popular and swore allegiance to Johnson early and went to bat for him in the media.

A Shropshire Lad

Dominic Raab as Foreign Secretary, lol

This guy couldnt support a deal that he himself negotiated. He literally cannot agree with himself !

J Mysterio

Rjd2 wrote: »

As others have pointed out this is the most libertarian type government we have seen for a long time in the UK.

Definitely going to be interesting until it goes Pete Tong.

Libertarian? No, I dont think so. This is a right wing conservative government.

Capt'n Midnight

Paradoxically Boris being Boris might help.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49098278

The Irish Times sees Mr Johnson as a "new nadir" in British politics, but holds out some hope that his personality might provide a way out of the backstop impasse.

"The best hope for Ireland and for Europe... is that Johnson will be guided by three of his worst traits... he doesn't mean a word he says, he is obsessed with power, and he is willing to betray those closest to him in the pursuit of that power," contends its editorial.

Stop moaning ffs

Been said many times Brexit can’t get more bizarre and it always does somehow.

We are now into a fatally comedic ridiculous cabinet.

The only upshot is when it all goes south it’ll be on the laps of each one of the absolutely unfit for office clowns Johnson has appointed and his own.

A Shropshire Lad

This is not a cabinet to govern, this is a cabinet to fight an election. They are expecting a general election sooner rather than later

Mr.Nice Guy

Raab as foreign secretary is just so depressing. I had hoped we had had heard the last of him when he lost the leadership bid.

dublinman1990

Jeremy Corbyn has made calls to have a snap GE.

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1154095209745190916

Theresa Villiers has been appointed Secretary for Environment, Food & Rural Affairs.

Irish Praetorian

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Raab as foreign secretary is just so depressing. I had hoped we had had heard the last of him when he lost the leadership bid.

To be fair to Dominic Raab, he can't do any worse than the previous Foreign Secretary.

Or maybe he will, and then he too can some day become PM.

robinph

Duane Dibbley wrote: »

robinph wrote: »

But if Parliament demands and extension an Boris won't request it, then parliament can trigger an election just the same.

Even if that all happens on 31st October such that there isn't time for the letter requesting the extension to make it to Brussels I can't see the EU not being sympathetic towards parliament and allowing the extension despite the exact correct things being done in the exact right order.

But who does anyone approach. Only the PM can request an extension and the EU accepts it Or the EU requests an extension and the PM would except it.

Even if there is an Election called. Won’t Boris be PM until he is either re-elected or replaced.

There will be some arcane process where the PM would get arrested by the seargent at arms and locked in the parliamentary prison, then next in line gets the chance to deliver the notice to the EU etc.

There was some article about the process and the prison for going against the will of Parliament back in the shenanigans in March, but it was never needed.

Sam Russell

Of course it could all go horribly wrong for thr Boris gang.

As follows:

1: Vote on No Confidence called. (in Sept). Vote lost.

2: Attempt made to form a new Gov, with renegade Remain Tories, SNP, Lib Dems, and renegrade Remain Labour MPs. If they can agree with who should be PM, form a cabinet, and plan to stop No Deal Brexit and/or to hold second referendum with a view to revoke. If successful, the Boris and the Tories are toast.

3: GE follows before Brexit, and Gov seeks a delay, or not. Everything is then up in the air.

Bizarre.

brickster69

Rees Mogg - Leader of the house

Capt'n Midnight

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Raab as foreign secretary is just so depressing. I had hoped we had had heard the last of him when he lost the leadership bid.

For most of those making noises about the leadership bid it was about getting into the cabinet.

Boris Johnson
Michael Gove
Andrea Leadsom
Dominic Raab
Jeremy Hunt
Rory Stewart
Sajid Javid
James Cleverly
Matthew Hancock
Esther McVey
Mark Harper
Sam Gyimah
Kit Malthouse

J Mysterio

Williamson is Education Secretary. Man who leaked top secret info while Defence Sec.

Who will be NI Secretary?

Capt'n Midnight

brickster69 wrote: »

Rees Mogg - Leader of the house

So plenty of airtime and can't be held accountable for policies

Itssoeasy

Itssoeasy wrote: »

From memory the Labour Party membership backed him big time the last time out. I think it was a lot of young members who for whatever reason see him as a potential future prime minister.

It would be interesting to see how many are still active members of the party, or did they join to elect a no hoper to scupper any future labour government hopes?

FrancieBrady

J Mysterio wrote: »

Williamson is Education Secretary. Man who leaked top secret info while Defence Sec.

Who will be NI Secretary?

Julian Smith was mentioned earlier in Boards.ie dispatches.

J Mysterio

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

So plenty of airtime and can't be held accountable for policies

He will love it so much. The pomp and ceremony, the archaic traditions. He can grandstand and sneer all the finer.

robinph

Sam Russell wrote: »

2: Attempt made to form a new Gov, with renegade Remain Tories, SNP, Lib Dems, and renegrade Remain Labour MPs. If they can agree with who should be PM, form a cabinet, and plan to stop No Deal Brexit and/or to hold second referendum with a view to revoke. If successful, the Boris and the Tories are toast.

The only possible way the numbers are there for that is if it were a totally single issue grouping and no attempt to do anything government like other that revkoke/ call 2nd referendum and immediately dissolve parliament.

It would require the entire rest of parliament plus the handful of Conservative rebels to happen, and they are not going to team up with Corbyn for anything other than that one issue and even then they will only do it whilst holding their noses and looking the other way.

Sam Russell

robinph wrote: »

The only possible way the numbers are there for that is if it were a totally single issue grouping and no attempt to do anything government like other that revkoke/ call 2nd referendum and immediately dissolve parliament.

It would require the entire rest of parliament plus the handful of Conservative rebels to happen, and they are not going to team up with Corbyn for anything other than that one issue and even then they will only do it whilst holding their noses and looking the other way.

I would not see Corbyn as part of it. I think it would have to be a Tory - perhaps Dominic Grieve or Ken Clarke. Otherwise the rebel Tories would have nothing to do with it.

It would be a single issue all right, but you never know, they might get along famously and decide to see out this Parliament - like a coalition Gov, as seen all over Europe.