2019 Women's World Cup

764dak

Australia did this to Thailand last year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDqjr-29N9s

Mars Bar

~Rebel~ wrote: »

It has to be a national association - but does it have to be the same association for mens and womens football? like, does it have to be an offshoot of the association running the mens side? Or can women's football in a country create their own association? Not a competing one to the FAI, but literally just shut down the women's wing of the FAI, and the IFA, and create a new, seperate association governing all women's football on the island of ireland?

It's only been a few years since the separate women's FAI went under the FAI umbrella.

So yes, it can be done and was done.

764dak

FIFA Statutes say "only one association shall be recognised as a member association in each country."
https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/the-fifa-statutes-2018.pdf?cloudid=whhncbdzio03cuhmwfxa

~Rebel~

764dak wrote: »

FIFA Statutes say "only one association shall be recognised as a member association in each country."
https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/the-fifa-statutes-2018.pdf?cloudid=whhncbdzio03cuhmwfxa

Skipped the first bit there - the full line reads;
"Subject to par. 5 and par. 6 below, only one association shall be recognised as a member association in each country."

And paragraph 6 reads; "An association in a region which has not yet gained independence may, with the authorisation of the member association in the country on which it is dependent, also apply for admission to FIFA."

So it would look like - in relation to my question about an All Ireland Women's team - a new association could petition to represent the region, with the permission of the IFA and FAI. Seems a gray enough area, and an open enough statement, that it would be at least be open for discussion.

Not that I expect it to happen, but an interesting thought none-the-less.

764dak

~Rebel~ wrote: »

764dak wrote: »

FIFA Statutes say "only one association shall be recognised as a member association in each country."
https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/the-fifa-statutes-2018.pdf?cloudid=whhncbdzio03cuhmwfxa

Skipped the first bit there - the full line reads;
"Subject to par. 5 and par. 6 below, only one association shall be recognised as a member association in each country."

And paragraph 6 reads; "An association in a region which has not yet gained independence may, with the authorisation of the member association in the country on which it is dependent, also apply for admission to FIFA."

So it would look like - in relation to my question about an All Ireland Women's team - a new association could petition to represent the region, with the permission of the IFA and FAI. Seems a gray enough area, and an open enough statement, that it would be at least be open for discussion.

Not that I expect it to happen, but an interesting thought none-the-less.

I think they mean places like Martinique, Curacao, Cayman Islands are not independent and would have gain permission from France, the Netherlands, and England to join FIFA.  The Dutch and British territories are FIFA members.  The French territories are not.  The French territories Martinique, Guadeloupe, French Guiana etc. can't qualify for FIFA tournaments.  Although these places can still join CONCACAF without being a FIFA member.

764dak

osarusan wrote: »

VAR decision for Australia's third. Long ball into the box, and the Aussie striker was definitely offside as the ball was played. She was being marked by one defender and was hoping the ball would drop over another defender, when that defender tried to head clear but only succeeded in glancing it into her own net.

I thought it would be disallowed as the striker was reason for the desperate defensive header, and especially when the ref, who initially gave it, headed over to do a screen review (that almost always means a change of decision) but she stood by her original decision.

It wasn't offside.

citytillidie

osarusan wrote: »

VAR decision for Australia's third. Long ball into the box, and the Aussie striker was definitely offside as the ball was played. She was being marked by one defender and was hoping the ball would drop over another defender, when that defender tried to head clear but only succeeded in glancing it into her own net.

I thought it would be disallowed as the striker was reason for the desperate defensive header, and especially when the ref, who initially gave it, headed over to do a screen review (that almost always means a change of decision) but she stood by her original decision.

That is where the lineman keeping flags down until play is over when they are not sure will cause these kind of things. If the flag goes up the defender would have stopped playing and not gone for the ball.

jacool

764dak wrote: »

It wasn't offside.

Here are the rules.

Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

Did she go for the ball or not? I can't recall

764dak

jacool wrote: »

764dak wrote: »

It wasn't offside.

Here are the rules.

Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

Did she go for the ball or not? I can't recall

"
[font=Arial,Helvetica,Sans-serif]The new rule changes this situation as the attacking player in an offside position when the ball was kicked by a teammate who gets a rebounded or deflected ball after it was deliberately played by the opponent (except from a deliberate save), is no longer offside and is not considered to have gained an advantage.[/font]

[font=Arial,Helvetica,Sans-serif]One example of the rule change would be if an attacking player plays the ball toward a teammate who is in an offside position (behind the defender) and the defender jumps to head the ball. The ball hits the defender’s head but he/she does not control it. The ball continues to the attacking player who was originally in the offside position. With this rule change the attacking player is no longer considered offside since the defender deliberately tried to play the ball."[/font]
[font=Arial,Helvetica,Sans-serif]https://nisoa.com/instruction/interscholastic-instruction/2016/04/29/offside-new-interpretation/[/font]

764dak

Jamaica played too disjointedly and didn't react quickly enough when attacking and defending.

razorblunt

Was the Argentinian anthem booed by the English?

Harry Palmr

No idea are you deaf or stirring? Decent England performance so far, pinging the ball with some zest.

razorblunt

If I was deaf I wouldn’t hear anything.

Pretty sure I did hear boos for it.
Awful penalty by England but it was lovely move into the box.

Harry Palmr

Argentina not there to play much football, about 80 passes.

dfx-

Jonathan Pearce bigging up Parris on the penalty spot, but already in the blame game by the time the rebound was missed.

An easy height for the keeper, too long of a delay, anything was being blamed.

citytillidie

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Argentina not there to play much football, about 80 passes.

You are thinking of Argentina in terms of the men the woman are ranked lowly and game is in development there still

osarusan

764dak wrote: »

"
[font=Arial,Helvetica,Sans-serif]The new rule changes this situation as the attacking player in an offside position when the ball was kicked by a teammate who gets a rebounded or deflected ball after it was deliberately played by the opponent (except from a deliberate save), is no longer offside and is not considered to have gained an advantage.[/font]

[font=Arial,Helvetica,Sans-serif]One example of the rule change would be if an attacking player plays the ball toward a teammate who is in an offside position (behind the defender) and the defender jumps to head the ball. The ball hits the defender’s head but he/she does not control it. The ball continues to the attacking player who was originally in the offside position. With this rule change the attacking player is no longer considered offside since the defender deliberately tried to play the ball."[/font]
[font=Arial,Helvetica,Sans-serif]https://nisoa.com/instruction/interscholastic-instruction/2016/04/29/offside-new-interpretation/[/font]

Wow, I think that is a bit crazy.

So, if I understand the new rule correctly, for a ball played in behind the defence, where the striker was offside when the ball was played, if the ball reaches the striker directly, it's offside.

But if a defender makes a desperation lunge to clear the ball (desperation caused by the striker in a dangerous position behind them), but only succeeds in helping the ball towards the attacker anyway, then this deliberate attempt to play the ball renders the striker's original offside position irrelevant.

So either the defender better miss the ball completely, or make sure it's a good clearance. Or else make the defender wonder whether it's better to just let the ball run through to them.


Quite a bizarre contrast too, to how defence-friendly the attacker handball rule has become, where any handball that benefits the attackers at all is a foul, regardless of intent.

Tom Mann Centuria

Cameroon player too honest there, should have tripped over them legs.

And the ref is clearly being swayed by the crowd.

764dak

Canadian hasn't even made a save yet in the World Cup.  Two clean sheets.

Agent Coulson

Awesome for Thailand to get a goal the pure joy on all their faces even if it took the score to 4 -1.

Agent Coulson

VAR in this tournament is so bad I really hope it isn't going to be this way next season.


Penalty to Sweden 5 - 1.

Nerdlingr

What is going on with the penalty decisions in this tournament. The refs are f*cking awful. They've ruined a load of games. And yer one got booked as well for it.

Ol' Donie

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Awesome for Thailand to get a goal the pure joy on all their faces even if it took the score to 4 -1.

That was brilliant.

Omackeral

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Awesome for Thailand to get a goal the pure joy on all their faces even if it took the score to 4 -1.

You'd have to feel for the girls conceding a penalty like that at the end. The consolation was actually a consolation, you could see what it meant to the team, the staff and the fans. Pity they couldn't hold the Swedish off until the whistle.

HalloweenJack

Watching Spain and China now. China look fairly well organised at the back, can sse the Spaniards getting frustrated if they can't break them down.

I've seen the goals from the Germany SA game and that keeper is atrocious.

vicwatson

Who is that female with the squeaky voice on RTE 2 RSA GER game?:eek:

Guy:Incognito

Convenient draw being played out between Spain and China?

HalloweenJack

I'm watching it and Spain are getting desperate. China are defending really well and the keeper is stopping anything tjat makes it through.

brianregan09

The SA keeper wow so bad

wadacrack

vicwatson wrote: »

Who is that female with the squeaky voice on RTE 2 RSA GER game?:eek:

Aine O' Gorman ex Irish international

c.p.w.g.w

There's no way the Nigerian keeper is only 18...looks mid 20's at the very least

764dak

Spain will most likely play the USA in the next round.

c.p.w.g.w

Proper home town decision there

kksaints

Hard to know what to make of that. If keeper encroachment is going to be so tightly monitored then surely attackers (or defenders) encroaching will have to be also tightly monitored.

c.p.w.g.w

kksaints wrote: »

Hard to know what to make of that. If keeper encroachment is going to be so tightly monitored then surely attackers (or defenders) encroaching will have to be also tightly monitored.

Makes a joke of the var for penalties. The attacks get an advantage because attackers encroachment is never pulled

~Rebel~

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Proper home town decision there

Yeah, was harsh enough to give a second yellow along with the pen in the first place, but very harsh to have the pen retake... it was literally a millisecond early that she moved... like, her left foot was barely inches off the line.

Strumms

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Proper home town decision there

Sorry, Nigeria just been butt fûcked big time. France miss peno, then given a retake as keeeper adjudged to have been about 3 inches off her line with one foot. Went to VAR and ref overlooked the French attack encroaching into the box before it was taken. If a referee is incapable of looking at multiple slow motion tv replays and making a correct decision she should not be refereeing.

osarusan

kksaints wrote: »

Hard to know what to make of that. If keeper encroachment is going to be so tightly monitored then surely attackers (or defenders) encroaching will have to be also tightly monitored.

Don't really have a problem with the booking, and whether it's an inch or a foot really isn't an issue.

But surprised we didn't get to see a replay of the second penalty looking at the whole box, for possible attacker encroachment.

kksaints

osarusan wrote: »

Don't really have a problem with the booking, and whether it's an inch or a foot really isn't an issue.

But surprised we didn't get to see a replay of the second penalty looking at the whole box, for possible attacker encroachment.

For the first French penalty there was an attacker encroaching so they should also have been booked. Agreed it was surprising that no replay of the second penalty with that specific view was shown. Not very transparent.

Strumms

If a referee, looking at a slow motion replay, multiple times, multiple angles and cannot select the appropriate and just decision, she should not be refereeing, the Phoenix Park, Old Trafford, the World Cup or ANYWHERE.

osarusan

kksaints wrote: »

For the first French penalty there was an attacker encroaching so they should also have been booked. Agreed it was surprising that no replay of the second penalty with that specific view was shown. Not very transparent.

I don't think encroachment is punished by a booking, just for the keeper coming off the line.

I honestly would be surprised if there wasn't at least one French player with a toe an inch inside the box.

dfx-

Nigeria could be out because of a stupid VAR interruption.

caviardreams

Lovely finish from Girelli there but well offside. The Italians look good at times.

caviardreams

Italy v Brazil is a decent game - hope both sides stay in the competition. Australia look sorted at 2-0 up

mark_jmc

caviardreams wrote: »

Italy v Brazil is a decent game - hope both sides stay in the competition. Australia look sorted at 2-0 up

Some very nice football being played, some of the link up play from the Italian forwards top class

caviardreams

I take it back about Australia - Jamaica back in it at 2-1!

Strumms

Think that’s a harsh penalty, seemed shoulder to shoulder.

djemba djemba

Watching Brazil and Italy now. Both teams have stars on their crests. That's how many times their mens teams have won the World Cup.

Neither has won the women's world Cup, so if they do win the competition will their mens team also add another star.

I haven't seen the German women's team but would be interesting to see if they have 2, 4, or 6 stars.

Edit: German have 2 stars on their jerseys.

Strumms

Marta seems like a bit of an annoying fûcker, mouthing off at the referee for wanting her to leave the pitch in an efficient manner, after taking an age to try and put the armband on her teammate.

caviardreams

That's an interesting point djemba!
Germany women have 2 stars on their shirt I think - think it might be different to the mens shirt though?
https://www.adidas.ie/germany-home-jersey/DN5923.html

French women have no stars, but they definitely have different jerseys to the men (both gorgeous especially the away imo!)