ICC World Cup 2019

riffmongous

Buer wrote: »

Captains do it all the time. To do it successfully to the extent that it's a key moment in CWC final is a different kettle of fish. It takes an excellent captain to keep a cool head and choke off the NZ batting performance and equally so to calm Archer and get him to deliver what was required.

It's sad that some of Morgan's fellow countrymen are so bitter and resentful of his success and performance.

Fellow countrymen, psml

Guy:Incognito

BarryD2 wrote: »

Well if you're going to query Eoin Morgan, you might as well also throw in Jofra Archer - Barbados born & bred. But overseas players have been part of the English cricket scene for a good few years. Somehow or other I couldn't imagine a David Warner or Liam Plunkett playing for India..
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Archers fathers is English though. He's not some random foreign lad they reckoned was a good player and sent him a plane ticket to head over.

Mysterypunter

One more point which I had forgotten about, Roy faces Boult, is absolutely plum lbw, the big South African looks and shakes his head. Review, legal ball, pitching in line, hitting the leg stump fairly solidly, and the third umpire says wickets are umpires call. You may stay with your original decision. Is that not exactly the same as saying, you made a wrong call, but stick with it? It was 100% out, looked out in real time, just like the ones that look not out, 2 yards down the pitch and clipping the leg stump should be not out.

BBDBB

So, we’ve just witnessed a spectacular sporting final, on a knife edge for most of the day, with twists and turns throughout, both sides could have won down to the last ball and the conversation is about the choice of a player who reportedly made his decision to play for England, aged 13.

blueser

riffmongous wrote: »

Yawn, if you think a man who said he'd rather be in the other team's dressing room before a game and left the moment he could doesn't deserve criticism, then that's up to you. If you don't follow Irish cricket maybe you won't get it

If you're getting tired, perhaps you should be getting off to bed. Unless you were being deliberately facetious. You weren't, were you?

Guy:Incognito

riffmongous wrote: »

Yawn, if you think a man who said he'd rather be in the other team's dressing room before a game and left the moment he could doesn't deserve criticism, then that's up to you. If you don't follow Irish cricket maybe you won't get it

Hes been playing for England for what, 12 years now. Time to move on.

Buer

riffmongous wrote: »

Fellow countrymen, psml

Where are you from? Because Eoin Morgan is born and bred Irish, from Rush, went to school in Dublin and played for Ireland for years.

mickger844posts

Buer wrote: »

Captains do it all the time. To do it successfully to the extent that it's a key moment in CWC final is a different kettle of fish. It takes an excellent captain to keep a cool head and choke off the NZ batting performance and equally so to calm Archer and get him to deliver what was required.

It's sad that some of Morgan's fellow countrymen are so bitter and resentful of his success and performance.

Morgan left Ireland on the premise that they weren't a test cricket team and his only way to play test was with England. Facts are he wasn't good enough as a test cricket player so they gave him the poison chassis at the time of 1 day captain. Granted he has won the World Cup but his selfish mercenary behavior will never be forgotten as far as i am concerned.

Guy:Incognito

Mysterypunter wrote: »

One more point which I had forgotten about, Roy faces Boult, is absolutely plum lbw, the big South African looks and shakes his head. Review, legal ball, pitching in line, hitting the leg stump fairly solidly, and the third umpire says wickets are umpires call. You may stay with your original decision. Is that not exactly the same as saying, you made a wrong call, but stick with it? It was 100% out, looked out in real time, just like the ones that look not out, 2 yards down the pitch and clipping the leg stump should be not out.

They addressed it in commentary. If his original decision was out, they'd have stuck with that. Thems the rules.

blueser

Mysterypunter wrote: »

One more point which I had forgotten about, Roy faces Boult, is absolutely plum lbw, the big South African looks and shakes his head. Review, legal ball, pitching in line, hitting the leg stump fairly solidly, and the third umpire says wickets are umpires call. You may stay with your original decision. Is that not exactly the same as saying, you made a wrong call, but stick with it? It was 100% out, looked out in real time, just like the ones that look not out, 2 yards down the pitch and clipping the leg stump should be not out.

I don't agree with the "umpire's call" thing either. Apparently, the rule is that if 50% or less of the ball is clipping the stumps, then"umpire's call" comes into play (hopefully, someone can confirm or deny that). Something to do with the benefit of the doubt going to the batsman, maybe? As I said, I don't agree with it. If hawkeye shows the ball is going on to hit the stumps, then(for me) you're out.

riffmongous

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Hes been playing for England for what, 12 years now. Time to move on.

If you don't like it, don't reply anymore. We can move back to the discussion of the game itself no problem, but seeing as how Ireland weren't even allowed to play this tournament and yet a former player was the winning captain there's no easy looking past it, on an Irish cricket forum.

Buer

mickger844posts wrote: »

Morgan left Ireland on the premise that they weren't a test cricket team and his only way to play test was with England. Facts are he wasn't good enough as a test cricket player so they gave him the poison chassis at the time of 1 day captain. Granted he has won the World Cup but his selfish mercenary behavior will never be forgotten as far as i am concerned.

My first concern is how will he sleep at night?

riffmongous

Buer wrote: »

Where are you from? Because Eoin Morgan is born and bred Irish, from Rush, went to school in Dublin and played for Ireland for years.

He's a selfish mercenary who abandoned his country when they needed him the most, certainly no countryman of mine. He's probably lived in England for as long as Ireland now by this stage anyway.

Buer

riffmongous wrote: »

If you don't like it, don't reply anymore. We can move back to the discussion of the game itself no problem, but seeing as how Ireland weren't even allowed to play this tournament and yet a former player was the winning captain there's no easy looking past it, on an Irish cricket forum.

Ireland didn't qualify. They were completely allowed. West Indies and Afghanistan qualified in our place.

Well done.

Harry Palmr

mickger844posts wrote: »

Morgan left Ireland on the premise that they weren't a test cricket team and his only way to play test was with England. Facts are he wasn't good enough as a test cricket player so they gave him the poison chassis at the time of 1 day captain. Granted he has won the World Cup but his selfish mercenary behavior will never be forgotten as far as i am concerned.

Bleugh. The worst guff. He is a winner.

Buer

riffmongous wrote: »

He's a selfish mercenary who abandoned his country when they needed him the most, certainly no countryman of mine. He's probably lived in England for as long as Ireland now by this stage anyway.

Nope. Not even close.

God love you. He's my fellow countryman and represented on our national broadcaster as the same, thankfully.

Eoin Morgan, CWC winning captain, a very elite group. Well done to him.

BarryD2

Seeing as how Irl is a now a full member of ICC, can we poach English born & bred players with Irish connections now, does anyone know? Lads who wouldn't be considered good enough for Eng but who might give us more depth. Mightn't be good for the game here of course, in terms of developing home talent but still, what's sauce for the goose etc?

Guy:Incognito

BarryD2 wrote: »

Seeing as how Irl is a now a full member of ICC, can we poach English born & bred players with Irish connections now, does anyone know? Lads who wouldn't be considered good enough for Eng but who might give us more depth. Mightn't be good for the game here of course, in terms of developing home talent but still, what's sauce for the goose etc?

Course we can, as we have done in other sports.

riffmongous

Buer wrote: »

Ireland didn't qualify. They were completely allowed. West Indies and Afghanistan qualified in our place.

Well done.

You're right!

mickger844posts

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Course we can, as we have done in other sports.

As have England done for decades in Cricket. The list is a long one.

blueser

BarryD2 wrote: »

Seeing as how Irl is a now a full member of ICC, can we poach English born & bred players with Irish connections now, does anyone know? Lads who wouldn't be considered good enough for Eng but who might give us more depth. Mightn't be good for the game here of course, in terms of developing home talent but still, what's sauce for the goose etc?

Why not? I'm assuming there's nothing in the rule book to stop you doing that.

blueser

Loved Williamson's comment on the streaky "six" that Ben scored when the throw back to the stumps hit his bat and went to the boundary; " yeah, bit of a shame that". No bitterness on his part. Comes across as a cracking bloke, actually.

riffmongous

mickger844posts wrote: »

As have England done for decades in Cricket. The list is a long one.

Buer

riffmongous wrote: »

You're right!

No way.

riffmongous

BarryD2 wrote: »

Seeing as how Irl is a now a full member of ICC, can we poach English born & bred players with Irish connections now, does anyone know? Lads who wouldn't be considered good enough for Eng but who might give us more depth. Mightn't be good for the game here of course, in terms of developing home talent but still, what's sauce for the goose etc?

Plenty of foreign lads have played for Ireland, some of our best still are. The difference is though that they are like you said lads who wouldn't get a shot at international cricket otherwise. They're not hurting their own country by playing for other teams, unlike Morgan who should have been sent back after failing at tests

splinter65

mickger844posts wrote: »

As have England done for decades in Cricket. The list is a long one.

If people of differing nationalities have put down roots and made themselves at home here or in England or anywhere for that matter then of course they should be allowed to play for whomever they choose.
Ireland will soon have native born Sth Asians, Aussies and Sth Africans as well as English eligible to play for Ireland and very welcome they’ll be too.
A big well done and congrats to Eoin Morgan and I assume Liam Plunkett today on their fantastic achievement in winning the CWC with England.
Thrilling evening on the Telly between Lords and SW19!

Darc19

riffmongous wrote: »

And he had little to do with it, 9 from 22 is a failure by any standard, his captaincy ain't that special

Do you not know that he devised a new style of play for England and this was the culmination of four years of work.

But petty nationalists would hate to understand that.

riffmongous

Buer wrote: »

No way.

Well there was a few years from when it was announced that Ireland weren't going to be allowed, I'm sure you remember

riffmongous

Darc19 wrote: »

Do you not know that he devised a new style of play for England and this was the culmination of four years of work.

But petty nationalists would hate to understand that.

Why did you ignore my post where I said he shouldnt get anti-english abuse? We're talking about a tournament played between national countries so of course there's got to be some nationalism :rolleyes: Not every one is an Eoin Morgan

Guy:Incognito

riffmongous wrote: »

Well there was a few years from when it was announced that Ireland weren't going to be allowed, I'm sure you remember

We played in the last one. But then you knew that and were just trying to have a moan.

Buer

riffmongous wrote: »

Well there was a few years from when it was announced that Ireland weren't going to be allowed, I'm sure you remember

And the well publicised tournament last year for qualification where we competed was completely whitewashed?

Or you just don't have a clue and didn't know that a significant international tournament took place....

riffmongous

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

We played in the last one. But then you knew that and were just trying to have a moan.

The plans to reduce the size of the tournament go back to 2011, the announcement of allowing non test teams to qualify was at the end of 2017. I know that

riffmongous

Buer wrote: »

And the well publicised tournament last year for qualification where we competed was completely whitewashed?

Or you just don't have a clue and didn't know that a significant international tournament took place....

I've been following Ireland long enough to forget

Buer

riffmongous wrote: »

I've been following Ireland long enough to forget

You forgot about an international CWC competition took place involving our national side 12 months ago yet you feel well placed to wax lyrical about representing our national side and criticising someone who did for years?

You've embarrassed yourself repeatedly. You don't have a clue.

riffmongous

Anyway like I said I'm happy to drop it and get back to the actual match itself. There used to be a specific thread for this conversation but it was locked a few months ago, probably should have kept it open,

Buer

riffmongous wrote: »

Anyway like I said I'm happy to drop it and get back to the actual match itself. ,

I would be too if I were you after your bluffing.

riffmongous

Buer wrote: »

You forgot about an international CWC competition took place involving our national side 12 months ago yet you feel well placed to wax lyrical about representing our national side and criticising someone who did for years?

You've embarrassed yourself repeatedly. You don't have a clue.

You know how many tournaments and games we've played since then? Of course you do because you've been here following them. Oh wait, 20 posts I see. Here don't let the door hit you on the way out and see you next world cup

Scrabbel

Skid X wrote: »

A few upset Kiwi tweets listed on this page of the New Zealand Herald, although in fairness anyone who stayed up all night to lose so narrowly is entitled to let off some steam


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12249505


Epic game, pleased to see England win but New Zealand would also have been worthy winners.

Wow, your link led to me to another article with something I never realised i.e. Ben Stokes is a Kiwi himself. Though he was moulded by the English cricket system all the way from 12.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12249519

mattser

Congratulations England and Eoin Morgan. Unbelieveable dramatic finish.

blackcard

Delighted for Eoin Morgan, it has been widely acknowledged that he was instrumental in bringing a team from 7/8th in the world to becoming World Champions. Would love to see him back playing for Ireland as he winds down his career. Will go down in history as one of the greatest captains. I am sure that he would have loved to win the WC with Ireland but it was never a possibility that he could achieve that with Ireland

Buer

riffmongous wrote: »

You know how many tournaments and games we've played since then? Of course you do because you've been here following them. Oh wait, 20 posts I see. Here don't let the door hit you on the way out and see you next world cup

Bless. Look at you searching post history to try and gain the higher ground.

You've already made your prejudice and inability to recognise facts clear. If you're reverting to post count to try and dismiss someone's argument, you've lost the argument even harder than you thought.

BBDBB

*bookmarks thread for when Eoin gets an inevitable knighthood

Buer

blackcard wrote: »

Delighted for Eoin Morgan, it has been widely acknowledged that he was instrumental in bringing a team from 7/8th in the world to becoming World Champions. Would love to see him back playing for Ireland as he winds down his career. Will go down in history as one of the greatest captains. I am sure that he would have loved to win the WC with Ireland but it was never a possibility that he could achieve that with Ireland

Nah, he'll never return. He's said so himself in the past. After today, there's a gravy train for him forever more. Not that he needs it on his salary!

lassykk

Buer wrote: »

Nah, he'll never return. He's said so himself in the past. After today, there's a gravy train for him forever more. Not that he needs it on his salary!

Excuse my ignorance on the topic but how easy is it to switch countries

It's clearly not like football where once you play competively you can't change.

Can you just pick whatever country you want in cricket?

Skid X

Nice clip on the RTE News of the crowd in Rush Cricket Club cheering on their former clubmate

https://twitter.com/RTEsport/status/1150501207196098561

blackcard

Buer wrote: »

blackcard wrote: »

Delighted for Eoin Morgan, it has been widely acknowledged that he was instrumental in bringing a team from 7/8th in the world to becoming World Champions. Would love to see him back playing for Ireland as he winds down his career. Will go down in history as one of the greatest captains. I am sure that he would have loved to win the WC with Ireland but it was never a possibility that he could achieve that with Ireland

Nah, he'll never return. He's said so himself in the past. After today, there's a gravy train for him forever more. Not that he needs it on his salary!

Fair enough but I wouldn't begrudge him being a World Cup winning captain or playing at the highest level. If he remained with Ireland, he would be playing against Scotland, Afghanistan and Zimbabwe

votecounts

hawley wrote: »

Does anyone know what happens with the betting on this game? I backed England this morning, but as there was no draw option to bet on, I'm unsure whether I won the bet or if it counts as a draw.

I'd be 100% sure that you win that bet.

BarryD2

lassykk wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance on the topic but how easy is it to switch countries

It's clearly not like football where once you play competively you can't change.

Can you just pick whatever country you want in cricket?

As I recall, Eoin went to play for England when we were just an Associate Member (second tier). Ed Joyce went before him too but later came back to Irish team. I could be wrong but essentially the Full Member nations had/ have the option of drawing players from the Associates. Which is/was one way of keeping the Associates in their places! You poach their best players. It'd be a bit like Kilkenny say taking a sh*t hot young hurler from Carlow. But Irl is now a full member.

riffmongous

votecounts wrote: »

I'd be 100% sure that you win that bet.

Yep, it might vary company to company but usually it's based on who won/progresses, as long as an actual game took place

riffmongous

I wonder will they take another look at the super over rules before the next World Cup after this? It's a bit odd that there can't be another super over, or something a bit more direct.