Irish language revival

blanch152

_blaaz wrote: »

For this to be a valid critism,there would need to be evidemce of gaelscoils deliberately persueing the enrollement policy your suggesting??


I know plenty people with little to no irish who have kids in/places booked in gaelscoils??

Again, I am not accusing gaelscoileanna of deliberately pursuing a policy of exclusion.

I am addressing the motivations of parents that send their children to gaelscoileanna.

ohnonotgmail

feargale wrote: »

Ok, but he/she is not alone.

Well the first post is harmless enough but i really haven't seen anybody else support the points in post #22

blanch152

Reati wrote: »

Good, because they simply don't.



Some people do it because Gaelscoil statistically have smaller classes and score higher in national testing. Some do it for the love of the Irish language. Some do it because they have big GAA heads on them. Some do it because they live next door to it. I'm sure there is lots of differnet motivations just like every parent has for picking the schools they pick.

This is some great gatekeeping on the Gaelscoileanna though folks. I'm glad to see you so concerned about the reasons parents have for sending thier own kids to the school of thier choice.



You posted this before and I addressed both aspects as best as possible.

1. Without the numbers for people who apply you can't actually draw any conclusion bar there is less of those categories of students. One basic thing you learn in statistics is correlation is not always equal to causation. You simply do not have the full data set to claim they do not enroll certain segments.

2. I gave you a pretty likely answer. I'd say the majority of parents of foreign kids, who don't speak English as a home language would want their kids to be educated through the primarily used language. Let's not forget this is one way how Irish went into decline in the 1800's. Families sent kids to be educated through English as in those days it offered more financial chances to a better live like moving to America. Its hardly a leap to think the same would apply here.

My sole point is that some parents pick Gaelscoileanna because they know that their Johnny or their Mary won't be sitting beside a non-national or a traveller child. Like it or not, that is a reality.

No reflection on the school, or its enrollment policy, no reflection on people like you who have a love of the language.

_blaaz

blanch152 wrote: »

My sole point is that some parents pick Gaelscoileanna because they know that their Johnny or their Mary won't be sitting beside a non-national or a traveller child. Like it or not, that is a reality.

If its such a reality....perhaps you have irrefutable evidence to support your assertion

blanch152

_blaaz wrote: »

If its such a reality....perhaps you have irrefutable evidence to support your assertion

If you are asking me to produce racist people who admit that they are racist, well you know the answer. The statistics tell an uncomfortable story and the abundance of new Gaelscoileanna in relatively wealthy parts of Dublin complete the story. It is an uncomfortable truth for those who love the language, but ignoring it or pretending it isn't there isn't the answer.

I would say something. Given the evidence, the onus should be on Gaeilscoileanna to reach out to those groups unrepresented in their schools. There are schemes in the public service to increase the number of women in senior posts to reduce the gender inequality. That is an example of an organisation acting to ensure that there is no inequality in its ranks.

_blaaz

blanch152 wrote: »

If you are asking me to produce racist people who admit that they are racist, well you know the answer. The statistics tell an uncomfortable story and the abundance of new Gaelscoileanna in relatively wealthy parts of Dublin complete the story. It is an uncomfortable truth for those who love the language, but ignoring it or pretending it isn't there isn't the answer.

I would say something. Given the evidence, the onus should be on Gaeilscoileanna to reach out to those groups unrepresented in their schools. There are schemes in the public service to increase the number of women in senior posts to reduce the gender inequality. That is an example of an organisation acting to ensure that there is no inequality in its ranks.

So in other words you have nothing to support your theory that your trying to pass off as a fact.....and infact it has no basis in any reality beyond your peraonal opinon....your mad craic



Tbh on a serious note all schools should be garlscoils anyway...its way of the future

feargale

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ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Well the first post is harmless enough but i really haven't seen anybody else support the points in post #22

_blaaz wrote: »

Tbh on a serious note all schools should be garlscoils anyway...its way of the future

Well here's a poster who would apparently deny people educaution in their native language if that is their choice.

Reati

blanch152 wrote: »

If you are asking me to produce racist people who admit that they are racist, well you know the answer. The statistics tell an uncomfortable story and the abundance of new Gaelscoileanna in relatively wealthy parts of Dublin complete the story. It is an uncomfortable truth for those who love the language, but ignoring it or pretending it isn't there isn't the answer.

I would say something. Given the evidence, the onus should be on Gaeilscoileanna to reach out to those groups unrepresented in their schools. There are schemes in the public service to increase the number of women in senior posts to reduce the gender inequality. That is an example of an organisation acting to ensure that there is no inequality in its ranks.

I'll get back to your other post but this one needs to be nipped in the bud.

The statistics do not show the whole picture. You are continually ignoring this to prove your point of view. Unless you are going to tell us your "evidence" for how you are proving causation you are presenting a statistical fallacy as fact and that's simply you showing you either have 1)an agenda or 2)unfamiliarity with how statistical analysis works. Numbers can be massaged to tell any message pushed by an agenda. We don't have to look far to see example of that.

If you don't think Gaelscoileanna are racist why do you keep trying to attach a racial stigma to them? If you truly think this is the case and you seem deeply concerned about it, raise it with the department of education? Amazing how many make this racist claim don't feel enough civic pride to report it to the department either.

Badly Drunk Boy

blanch152 wrote: »

I would say something. Given the evidence, the onus should be on Gaeilscoileanna to reach out to those groups unrepresented in their schools. There are schemes in the public service to increase the number of women in senior posts to reduce the gender inequality. That is an example of an organisation acting to ensure that there is no inequality in its ranks.

Why? If the people involved in the Gaeilscoileanna are happy where they are (the students and their parents), and these 'unrepresented' groups aren't being denied entry and don't particularly want to go to Gaeilscoileanna...then what's the problem?

Or do you have evidence that certain ethnicities are denied places in these schools because of 'what' they are, other than the fact that they don't go to them?

Simple_Simone

feargale wrote: »

you may as well try to start a decade of the rosary in a brothel.

Are we talking Joyful, Sorrowful or Glorious Mysteries? (Or would that be an ecumenical matter?)

Stop moaning ffs

blanch152 wrote: »

If you are asking me to produce racist people who admit that they are racist, well you know the answer. The statistics tell an uncomfortable story and the abundance of new Gaelscoileanna in relatively wealthy parts of Dublin complete the story. It is an uncomfortable truth for those who love the language, but ignoring it or pretending it isn't there isn't the answer.

I would say something. Given the evidence, the onus should be on Gaeilscoileanna to reach out to those groups unrepresented in their schools. There are schemes in the public service to increase the number of women in senior posts to reduce the gender inequality. That is an example of an organisation acting to ensure that there is no inequality in its ranks.

Your long history of anti Irish sentiment used to occasionally be amusing if not interesting. Your posts have now reached Gemma O Doherty levels of wtf crazy though.

You’re suggesting racism where there Is none at all and you can’t back it up.
This is a new low.

feargale

Simple_Simone wrote: »

Are we talking Joyful, Sorrowful or Glorious Mysteries? (Or would that be an ecumenical matter?)

Joyful at the time, sorrowful afterwards.

Reati

feargale wrote: »

Joyful at the time, sorrowful afterwards.

It's Saturday and it's joyful day so the Internet tells me. We might as well kick off an auld decade to repent the sins of the thread.

I n-ainm an athar, agus an mhic, agus an sprid naoimh, áiméin.

in the name of the father, the son and the Holy spirit, amen

Creidim i nDia, an tAthair Uilechumhachtach, Cruthaitheoir Nimhe agus Talún, agus i nÍosa Críost a Aonmhac san ár dTiarna, do gabhadh ón Spriod Naomh, do rugadh ó Mhuire ógh, d'fhulaig páis fé Phointeas Píolóid, do céasadh ar an gcrois, fuair bás agus d'adhlacadh, chuaigh síos go hifreann, d'aiséirigh an treas lá ó mhairbhe, chuaigh suas ar neamh, tá ina shuí ar dheasláimh Dé an tAthair Uilechumhachtach, as san tiocfaidh ag tabhairt bhreithiúntais ar bheo is ar mhairbh. Creidim sa Spriod Naomh, sa naomh-Eaglais Chaitliceach, i gComaoine na Naomh, i Maithiúnachas na bPeacaí, i nAiséirí na Colla, is sa Bheatha Shíoraí. áiméin.

I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, Our Lord, Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified; died, and was buried. He descended into Hell; the third day He arose again from the dead; He ascended into Heaven, sitteth at the right hand of God, the Father Almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen

Ár nAthair, atá ar neamh, go naomhaítear t'ainm, go dtaga do ríocht, go ndeintear do thoil ar an dtalamh mar a deintear ar neamh. Ár n-arán laethúil tabhair dhúinn inniu, agus maith dhúinn ár gcionta mar a mhaithimíd do chách, agus ná lig sinn i gcathú, ach saor sinn ó olc. áiméin.

Our Father, Who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name; Thy kingdom come; Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread; and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us; and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil, Amen.

So forth and so on...

ted1

blanch152 wrote: »

If you are asking me to produce racist people who admit that they are racist, well you know the answer. The statistics tell an uncomfortable story and the abundance of new Gaelscoileanna in relatively wealthy parts of Dublin complete the story. It is an uncomfortable truth for those who love the language, but ignoring it or pretending it isn't there isn't the answer.

I would say something. Given the evidence, the onus should be on Gaeilscoileanna to reach out to those groups unrepresented in their schools. There are schemes in the public service to increase the number of women in senior posts to reduce the gender inequality. That is an example of an organisation acting to ensure that there is no inequality in its ranks.

Pure ****e.

Snow Garden

The truth hurts blanch152

Reati

Snow Garden wrote: »

The truth hurts blanch152

(We've talked alot of how Irish supposedly isn't taught well yet this sentence. )

Your sentence is correct. The truth does hurt Blanch152 directly that there is no proof of racism in Gaelscoileanna and he has been rightly called out on his "facts" and "evidence".

Snow Garden

Reati wrote: »

(We've talked alot of how Irish supposedly isn't taught well yet this sentence. )

Your sentence is correct. The truth does hurt Blanch152 directly that there is no proof of racism in Gaelscoileanna and he has been rightly called out on his "facts" and "evidence".

Tell me this - have you ever met a parent who admitted to being a racist?

Stop moaning ffs

Snow Garden wrote: »

Tell me this - have you ever met a parent who admitted to being a racist?

Have you ever met a school in Ireland that discriminated against kids based on their religion?

Oh wait. The vast majority of them.


But according to Blanch it’s only the gaelscoils that do it.

Reati

Snow Garden wrote: »

Tell me this - have you ever met a parent who admitted to being a racist?

Like in person or like in an media interview? A random parent or one that I know personally?

You're not very good at asking precision questions are you?

Snow Garden

Reati wrote: »

Like in person or like in an media interview? A random parent or one that I know personally?

You're not very good at asking precision questions are you?

It's a very simple question.

janfebmar

blanch152 wrote: »

My sole point is that some parents pick Gaelscoileanna because they know that their Johnny or their Mary won't be sitting beside a non-national or a traveller child. Like it or not, that is a reality.

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Correct, and I think most parents who send their kids to GaelScoil will privately admit that is the reason. If parents want to teach their kids Irish language, they should pay for it themselves and do it outside school hours. A fine hobby if you are that way inclined.

Igotadose

janfebmar wrote: »

Correct, and I think most parents who send their kids to GaelScoil will privately admit that is the reason.

Nah. Incorrect. Privately admit? Uhuh. Trying not to laugh at that.

Why is it incorrect? Because it's what I think. So, it has the same weight as what you think.

And, I have many data points running an afterschool program showing Gaelscoileanna with many non-white students. So there. My opinion is right and yours is wrong.

janfebmar

Igotadose wrote: »

And, I have many data points running an afterschool program sho wing Gaelscoileanna with many non-white students. So there. My opinion is right and yours is wrong.

Last time I googled on Gaelscoileanna, 99% of the faces were white. Ask anyone who has kids going to one.

Snow Garden

blanch152 wrote: »

I have a problem with gaeilscoileanna because of the statistics:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/irish-speaking-schools-far-less-likely-to-have-overseas-students-1.3296113


"A Department of Education analysis of school enrolment for 2015/2016 shows non-Irish nationals accounted for 10.6 per cent of pupils in primary education. By contrast, among all-Irish primary schools, this fell to 1.6 per cent. A similar pattern is repeated at second level."

From this academic study:

http://mural.maynoothuniversity.ie/8563/1/Immigration%20and%20school%20composition%20in%20Ireland.pdf

"Immigrants are also less highly represented in Gaelscoileanna than in English-medium schools"


When you look into it and you see that Gaelscoileanna have less non-national pupils, less special needs pupils and less traveller children than English-medium schools, you have to wonder sometimes about the motivations of some of the parents.

Bump.

Hopefully RedC will do 'Are you a racist?' exit polls at Gaelscoils soon. Until then we will never know for sure

blanch152

blanch152 wrote: »

I have a problem with gaeilscoileanna because of the statistics:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/irish-speaking-schools-far-less-likely-to-have-overseas-students-1.3296113


"A Department of Education analysis of school enrolment for 2015/2016 shows non-Irish nationals accounted for 10.6 per cent of pupils in primary education. By contrast, among all-Irish primary schools, this fell to 1.6 per cent. A similar pattern is repeated at second level."

From this academic study:

http://mural.maynoothuniversity.ie/8563/1/Immigration%20and%20school%20composition%20in%20Ireland.pdf

"Immigrants are also less highly represented in Gaelscoileanna than in English-medium schools"


When you look into it and you see that Gaelscoileanna have less non-national pupils, less special needs pupils and less traveller children than English-medium schools, you have to wonder sometimes about the motivations of some of the parents.

One would have to be some class of a fool to believe that this isn't a consideration for some parents.

I'm all for Gaelscoileanna, I love them as a concept. But of course a proportion of parents are abusing them as some kind of class-based / nationality-based educational apartheid.

Reati

Snow Garden wrote: »

It's a very simple question.

Which one? Why can't you clarify the question? It's like talking to a bunch of ****ing politicians. Direct questions thanks!

janfebmar wrote: »

Last time I googled on Gaelscoileanna, 99% of the faces were white.

You said this before. I replied that I googled my old English medium school and it was all white faces too. Does that mean it was racist even though we had black lads in my class?

Also, this might shock you but not all foreigners are black :O

Anyway seen as you ignored it last time. What was your old school? Let's google it and see.

janfebmar wrote: »

Ask anyone who has kids going to one.

Ok sure.

Hey Reati, is there any foreign kids in your kids class? Sure is. There is two of them actually. Lovely kids they are too.

Snow Garden wrote: »

Bump.

Hopefully RedC will do 'Are you a racist?' exit polls at Gaelscoils soon. Until then we will never know for sure

Have you emailed the department of education? Why are you, janfebmar and the rest of the keyboard warriors of social justice in the Gaelscoileanna not bringing this outrageous discrimination to their attention, the attention of the media and every platform possible. You clearly feel passionate about fixing the perceived lack of diversity you are constantly telling us exists.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

One would have to be some class of a fool to believe that this isn't a consideration for some parents.

I'm all for Gaelscoileanna, I love them as a concept. But of course a proportion of parents are abusing them as some kind of class-based / nationality-based educational apartheid.

You say it like it's only a consideration for the tuismitheoirí of Gaelscoileanna kids. Like there is no racist parents of kids in English medium schools.

You'd have to be seriously dedicated to the old racism to choose to educate your children in a language you as a parent have no interest in learning or speaking in the slight off chance there might not be a foreign kid in the class.

Snow Garden

Methinks he doth protest too much..so you are finally admitting that 'some' parents may be racially motivated when sending their kids to Gaelscoils?

Reati

Oh no, I'm not moving on till you start answering the question put to you.

Reati wrote: »

Which one? Why can't you clarify the question? It's like talking to a bunch of ****ing politicians. Direct questions thanks!

Reati wrote: »

Have you emailed the department of education? Why are you, janfebmar and the rest of the keyboard warriors of social justice in the Gaelscoileanna not bringing this outrageous discrimination to their attention, the attention of the media and every platform possible. You clearly feel passionate about fixing the perceived lack of diversity you are constantly telling us exists.

Reati

Reati wrote: »

You say it like it's only a consideration for the tuismitheoirí of Gaelscoileanna kids. Like there is no racist parents of kids in English medium schools.

Eh? How on earth did you at such an irrational inference from what I've just posted.

There may well be any number of racist parents who have no option but to send their kids to mainstream schools.

You'd have to be seriously dedicated to the old racism to choose to educate your children in a language you as a parent have no interest in learning or speaking in the slight off chance there might not be a foreign kid in the class.

Plenty of children who go to Gaelscoileanna have parents who cannot speak Irish. I would go so far as to say that, in my experience, most parents are not fluent in Irish.

You'd have to be deluded to deny that it is a convenient (and a grim) way of manipulating the system by ensuring that one's own child has access to better resources (ie the vast majority of children speak English as a first language). It's not necessarily racist.

Reati

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

You'd have to be deluded to deny that it is a convenient (and a grim) way of manipulating the system by ensuring that one's own child has access to better resources (ie the vast majority of children speak English as a first language). It's not necessarily racist.

I posted a heap of motivations for why parents send they kids to Gaelscoil. Indeed I posted the better resources ideal. I've agreed with not all are for the love of Irish but the continuous focus of a handful of posters is to simply call the Gaelscoileanna racist schools that have racist policies against enrolling non-Irish white kids. Are you in agreement with that view?

_blaaz

Reati wrote: »

I posted a heap of motivations for why parents send they kids to Gaelscoil. Indeed I posted the better resources ideal. I've agreed with not all are for the love of Irish but the continuous focus of a handful of posters is to simply call the Gaelscoileanna racist schools that have racist policies against enrolling non-Irish white kids. Are you in agreement with that view?

It is somewhat brilliant the way there isnt even a iota of evidence to support this assertion....but call anyone who questions it is deluded :pac:


I do love interwebs logic

ted1

janfebmar wrote: »

Correct, and I think most parents who send their kids to GaelScoil will privately admit that is the reason. If parents want to teach their kids Irish language, they should pay for it themselves and do it outside school hours. A fine hobby if you are that way inclined.

My kids go to a GaelScoil. I have very poor Irish.
The school doesn’t cost the state more. The only difference is that instead of teaching through the English language they do it through the Irish language.

I choose the school as it’s the best around. There several kids who patents are from Australia , Asia and Eastern Europe. It’s in south Dublin so not a lot of kids of African descent in the area. It’s got the sane mix as other primary schools in the area.

Having 2 languages makes learning additional languages a breeze.

Snow Garden

Snow Garden wrote: »

Tell me this - have you ever met a parent who admitted to being a racist?

Yawn. Ok this is the question Reati. Which part are you struggling with?

I'll simplify. Have you ever met a person who told you they were racist?

I haven't myself. But I know they are out there.

RedC aren't polling on it yet either.

Snow Garden

Snow Garden wrote: »

Methinks he doth protest too much..so you are finally admitting that 'some' parents may be racially motivated when sending their kids to Gaelscoils?

Then you can answer this one. I don't mind if you want to play the ostrich but avoiding questions seems pointless given how strongly you feel.

Igotadose

Snow Garden wrote: »

Then you can answer this one. I don't mind if you want to play the ostrich but avoiding questions seems pointless given how strongly you feel.

Questions for you: Gaelscoils, as currently constituted and run, a good idea, or bad?

What would you change?

Reati

Snow Garden wrote: »

Have you ever met a person who told you they were racist?

Yes, I have. So what's that proven?

Snow Garden wrote: »

Then you can answer this one. I don't mind if you want to play the ostrich but avoiding questions seems pointless given how strongly you feel.

I'm not moving on till you start answering the questions put to you first. You have avoided every reply for majority of the thread. You can throw out all the little aggressions you want, I've little respect for you at this point. In fact, I'd have had more respect for you if you had just said you hate Irish, the idea of Gaelscoileanna or whatever your big chip is. Instead you want to pretend like your some defender of the social downtrodden. Tá tusa lán de.

Reati wrote: »

Have you emailed the department of education? Why are you, janfebmar and the rest of the keyboard warriors of social justice in the Gaelscoileanna not bringing this outrageous discrimination to their attention, the attention of the media and every platform possible. You clearly feel passionate about fixing the perceived lack of diversity you are constantly telling us exists.

Snow Garden

Reati wrote: »

Yes, I have. So what's that proven?

Tell me more. How many people told you they were racist?

I am trying to suggest that the vast majority of parents would never admit it so it's impossible to know for certain their motivations for sending their kids to Gaelscoils. Surely you must have an ounce of reasonable doubt.

Snow Garden

Igotadose wrote: »

Questions for you: Gaelscoils, as currently constituted and run, a good idea, or bad?

What would you change?

Are you his guardian?

I would change nothing whatsoever.

BarryD2

The Gaelscoil movement has thrived for various reasons but not least because of state policy: the distorted marking system at Leaving Cert https://www.examinations.ie/?l=en&mc=ca&sc=im which gives additional marks where the papers are sat through Irish. And of course, for certain state jobs where competency in Irish is a requirement.

You can argue back and forwards whether this 'discrimination' is justified or not, but the fact is that it exists and parents look at it and try and maximise the potential benefits for their children. It's a logical response to a system that's on offer.

Whatever about state jobs, I'm quite surprised that the additional marks system has survived as long as this without a legal case. It is in essence openly discriminatory against other citizens taking their exams through English. Presumably it's based on the Irish language being in a preeminent place in the constitution. But of course, the de facto reality is that English is the lingua franca of the citizenry at large, so there is a tension between reality and the notional aims of the constitution. Since the benefits of the additional marks doesn't affect the higher achieving students is probably the reason that it has been tolerated. But that is no comfort to those lower down the pecking order who may lose out of college courses purely on the language they took their exams in.

ted1

BarryD2 wrote: »

The Gaelscoil movement has thrived for various reasons but not least because of state policy: the distorted marking system at Leaving Cert https://www.examinations.ie/?l=en&mc=ca&sc=im which gives additional marks where the papers are sat through Irish. And of course, for certain state jobs where competency in Irish is a requirement.

You can argue back and forwards whether this 'discrimination' is justified or not, but the fact is that it exists and parents look at it and try and maximise the potential benefits for their children. It's a logical response to a system that's on offer.

Whatever about state jobs, I'm quite surprised that the additional marks system has survived as long as this without a legal case. It is in essence openly discriminatory against other citizens taking their exams through English. Presumably it's based on the Irish language being in a preeminent place in the constitution. But of course, the de facto reality is that English is the lingua franca of the citizenry at large, so there is a tension between reality and the notional aims of the constitution. Since the benefits of the additional marks doesn't affect the higher achieving students is probably the reason that it has been tolerated. But that is no comfort to those lower down the pecking order who may lose out of college courses purely on the language they took their exams in.

It’s Partly due to lack of support resources, try getting grinds or books etc in Irish. That cover history , geography, physics, applied maths etc

_Kaiser_

This idea always comes up when the economy is doing well.

Middle class people decide they want an Irish revival, more Irish schools, and start calling their offspring unpronounceable names.

It's all notions, and they die as quick when things take a downturn.

We already spend far too much money in indulging the Irish language types with seperate forms, Irish language options when you call a government body, announcements on buses and trains etc... And for what? Not one person who can understand them doesn't have a full native command of English as their primary language anyway.

ted1

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

This idea always comes up when the economy is doing well.

Middle class people decide they want an Irish revival, more Irish schools, and start calling their offspring unpronounceable names.

It's all notions, and they die as quick when things take a downturn.

We already spend far too much money in indulging the Irish language types with seperate forms, Irish language options when you call a government body, announcements on buses and trains etc... And for what? Not one person who can understand them doesn't have a full native command of English as their primary language anyway.

Very appropriate user name, we serve neither king nor kaiser

cameramonkey

Snow Garden wrote: »

Tell me more. How many people told you they were racist?

I am trying to suggest that the vast majority of parents would never admit it so it's impossible to know for certain their motivations for sending their kids to Gaelscoils. Surely you must have an ounce of reasonable doubt.

So are you suggesting that the reason most children get sent to Gaelscoils is because their parents are racist?

feargale

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

This idea always comes up when the economy is doing well.

Middle class people decide they want an Irish revival, more Irish schools, and start calling their offspring unpronounceable names.

You mean during the Celtic Tiger all the babies were being named Fionn and Caoimhe and Sean and after the collapse they were all being named Nigel and Darren and Hayley? I hadn't noticed.

feargale

janfebmar wrote: »

Correct, and I think most parents who send their kids to GaelScoil will privately admit that is the reason. If parents want to teach their kids Irish language, they should pay for it themselves and do it outside school hours. A fine hobby if you are that way inclined.

I have news for you. Parents pay for everything their kids are taught. It's called taxation. But I suppose the government could do with a bit of double taxation. And while your at it don't forget singing and religion and history and music and PT and Ancient Greek and......... Janey is nothing free?

feargale

janfebmar wrote: »

Last time I googled on Gaelscoileanna, 99% of the faces were white. Ask anyone who has kids going to one.

What a wasted opportunity, with all those Gaeilgeoirs from Africa and China trying to get their kids in. Keep honing your trichromatic skills and let us know if it dips to 98%. Maybe all those Gaeilscoils should be closed and the people in Larne and Ballymena who are to be displaced by OP's repopulation plans could be settled where these Gaeilscoils stood to reanglicise those districts. :rolleyes:

ILoveYourVibes

I doubt gaelscoils have a delib policy to not take non white kids....it would help to go to a gaelscoil if neither of your parents have any irish at all.

Igotadose

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I doubt gaelscoils have a delib policy to not take non white kids....it would help to go to a gaelscoil if neither of your parents have any irish at all.

They don't. Just more lies spread by the keyboard warriors who have bees in their tiny bonnets about the Irish language.
They're doing the usual WUM tactics, out-and-out falsehoods, and JAQ'ing. Best to ignore them.

Reati

Snow Garden wrote: »

Tell me more. How many people told you they were racist?

I am trying to suggest that the vast majority of parents would never admit it so it's impossible to know for certain their motivations for sending their kids to Gaelscoils. Surely you must have an ounce of reasonable doubt.

You keep ostriching this question... For the 3rd time

Reati wrote: »

Have you emailed the department of education? Why are you, janfebmar and the rest of the keyboard warriors of social justice in the Gaelscoileanna not bringing this outrageous discrimination to their attention, the attention of the media and every platform possible. You clearly feel passionate about fixing the perceived lack of diversity you are constantly telling us exists.

Reati

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

This idea always comes up when the economy is doing well.

Middle class people decide they want an Irish revival, more Irish schools, and start calling their offspring unpronounceable names.

It's all notions, and they die as quick when things take a downturn.

We already spend far too much money in indulging the Irish language types with seperate forms, Irish language options when you call a government body, announcements on buses and trains etc... And for what? Not one person who can understand them doesn't have a full native command of English as their primary language anyway.

Thanks for wondering in and giving your opinion that native Irish speakers don't have a right to use thier mother tongue. Amazing how no one thinks that a form subtle racism.

All of the above debated to death in this thread and disproven. Looking forward to reading your new proof for any of this?