Irish language revival

Reati

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Reati wrote: »

Oh yeah that was because 100% because we speak English and nothing to do with our exceedingly generous tax system.

I would think it's down to both

English does play a part but it's no where near as important as people think.

Remember that song and dance we (Ireland) made about being the only English speaking country left in Europe to get all the UK businesses to come here. How many actually moved here?

Let's have a look.

Dyson went to Singapore
Panasonic is moving its European HQ to Amsterdam.
Sony is moving its European HQ to The Netherlands
Muji is rumoured to be moving its European to Germany.
Banks Nomura and Daiwa are off to Germany. Norinchukin Bank is off to Amsterdam.
Lloyds of London is planning to go to Brussels.
Hermes Investment Management is opening a Dublin office
Rex London is setting up a Dutch office.
The Grown Up Chocolate Company eyeing up to Slovakia
JPMorgan Chase are alleged to be off to Luxembourg
Aviva and Barcelsy moved assets to thier Irish operations but not sure there was net new jobs.

The list goes on, it's non exhaustive but not small multinational companies and doesn't seem like English as a 1st language mattered all thatt much given all those places have plenty of C2 level speakers.

Thelonious Monk

Ok that doesn't matter. I'll say it again, the vast majority don't give a f*ck and don't want to learn Irish. It's a waste of time.

cameramonkey

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I speak decent Spanish, I've been learning it for over 10 years now, and used to learn German which I can still converse in somewhat.
No I'm not particularly against Irish, but this revival is not working. No one cares or wants to learn it, apart from a tiny minority.
People have a romantic idea that we'll revive it and we'll speak it as much as we speak English in future. We won't. If you think otherwise you're clueless.

I would say its a minority yes but not a tiny minority. 51,000 children receiving their education through Irish. That number is growing year on year.
Of course it will never be the majority language again but we dont need to consign it to the dustbin of history.

Thelonious Monk

cameramonkey wrote: »

I would say its a minority yes but not a tiny minority. 51,000 children receiving their education through Irish. That number is growing year on year.
Of course it will never be the majority language again but we dont need to consign it to the dustbin of history.

It's pretty much already consigned to the dustbin of history though. The number might be growing but the number of non-Irish speakers is growing a lot more so it's always going to be a tiny tiny percentage.

cameramonkey

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Ok that doesn't matter. I'll say it again, the vast majority don't give a f*ck and don't want to learn Irish. It's a waste of time.

The majority may not care but that dosnt mean its a waste of time. Its only your opinion and you know what they say about opinions.

Thelonious Monk

cameramonkey wrote: »

The majority may not care but that dosnt mean its a waste of time. Its only your opinion and you know what they say about opinions.

It's a waste of time enforcing it on the vast majority in school who don't want to learn it just to appease a few gobsh*tes with romantic notions.

janfebmar

cameramonkey wrote: »

51,000 children receiving their education through Irish.

Most hate it and never use it again. A couple of posts per month in the Irish language on boards.ie, and feck all on any other forums either. No magazines or newspapers to speak of. What a waste of time, money and effort forcing it down peoples throats. It backfired.

Stop moaning ffs

Weird to see our own sh!tting on our language and same time insisting we have to bow down to every notion the DUP have in the UI scenario.

Kind of bizarre.

Thelonious Monk

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Weird to see our own sh!tting on our language and same time insisting we have to bow down to every notion the DUP have in the UI scenario.

Kind of bizarre.

Except English is "our" language, no one speaks Irish!

cameramonkey

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's pretty much already consigned to the dustbin of history though. The number might be growing but the number of non-Irish speakers is growing a lot more so it's always going to be a tiny tiny percentage.

I think you just make up those statistics unless you have a link.



You keep saying "nobody cares whether we speak it" that is obviously not the case. It really dosnt make sense for you to keep saying it, it is not true and you are being irrational by repeating it.

cameramonkey

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Except English is "our" language, no one speaks Irish!

No one speaks Irish, is that really what you believe?

_blaaz

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's a waste of time enforcing it on the vast majority in school who don't want to learn it just to appease a few gobsh*tes with romantic notions.

Why not teach it as a spoken language?

cameramonkey

janfebmar wrote: »

Most hate it and never use it again. A couple of posts per month in the Irish language on boards.ie, and feck all on any other forums either. No magazines or newspapers to speak of. What a waste of time, money and effort forcing it down peoples throats. It backfired.

Have you a link to a survey that says most Irish people hate Irish.
Its amazing that you can hate a language as you seem to. Do you hate any other languages or is it just Irish. how do you feel about Scottish Gaelic or Faroese for instance? Do you hate those aswell?

Reati

cameramonkey wrote: »

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Except English is "our" language, no one speaks Irish!

No one speaks Irish, is that really what you believe?

Haha An bhfuil siad dáiríre? Mise á rá leat go bhfuil! (are they serious? You'd better believe they are)

_blaaz

janfebmar wrote: »

Most hate it and never use it again. A couple of posts per month in the Irish language on boards.ie, and feck all on any other forums either. No magazines or newspapers to speak of. What a waste of time, money and effort forcing it down peoples throats. It backfired.

You do know there is specfic irish language forums/social media groups(1 of which has at least has 10K+ posts a months)??

Useing lack of posts in a boards forum as evidemce of lavk of interest is slightly pointless since most agree boards as a messaging board is dying anyway

Thelonious Monk

Reati wrote: »

Haha An bhfuil siad dáiríre? Mise á rá leat go bhfuil!

Ta muid dairire alright, nir mhaith le ain dhoine an teange a caint, sin a bhfuil mo chara!
Rith me ar nos na gaoithe
nuair a bhi me i mo bhuachail og

cameramonkey

Reati wrote: »

Haha An bhfuil siad dáiríre? Mise á rá leat go bhfuil!

He may be serious.

Thelonious Monk

Mise a ra leat go bhfuil sounds wrong to me by the way, I would have said "Ta me ag ra leat" or "Taimse ag ra leat", but sure who even knows what's right or wrong, they just kind of concocted the school thought language and grammar in the last 50 years or so, it's all over the place

Reati

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Reati wrote: »

Haha An bhfuil siad dáiríre? Mise á rá leat go bhfuil!

Ta muid dairire alright, nir mhaith le ain dhoine an teange a caint, sin a bhfuil mo chara!
Rith me ar nos na gaoithe
nuair a bhi me i mo bhuachail og

Féach ar seo! Labhraíonn sé Gaeilge (bríste) ach cinnte Gaeilge!
(look at that, he's speaking Irish (well broken) but definitely Irish)

My job here is done!

Thelonious Monk

Reati wrote: »

Féach ar seo! Labhraíonn sé Gaeilge (bríste) ach cinnte Gaeilge!

My job here is done!

duirt me cheanna fein (??) san "thread" chuaigh me go dti an bunscoil as gaeilge.

Ken.

Mod- If you post in a language other than English you must provide a translation.5 posts will be deleted if they are not edited by the posters to include a translation.

Reati

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Reati wrote: »

Féach ar seo! Labhraíonn sé Gaeilge (bríste) ach cinnte Gaeilge!

My job here is done!

duirt me cheanna fein (??) san "thread" chuaigh me go dti an bunscoil as gaeilge.

Agus dúirt tú freisin nach labhraíonn aon duine Gaeilge ach go dtí an pointe seo.
(and you said no one speaks Irish yet here we are)

janfebmar

_blaaz wrote: »

You do know there is specfic irish language forums/social media groups(1 of which has at least has 10K+ posts a months)??

link?

Stop moaning ffs

Nosnon wrote: »

Mod- If you post in a language other than English you must provide a translation.5 posts will be deleted if they are not edited by the posters to include a translation.

We can’t speak in our own tongue because the rampant haters of the language we’re speaking in can’t understand it.
Demonstrating that people do and often use the language to address that persons post? Seriously?

Jaysis

Ken.

Mod- Stop moaning ffs thread banned. Do not post here again.

Reati

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

We can’t speak in our own tongue because the rampant haters of the language we’re speaking in can’t understand it.
Demonstrating that people do and often use the language to address that persons post? Seriously?

Jaysis

In fairness it's in the charter for the site. The mod is only doing there job on this one

_blaaz

janfebmar wrote: »

link?

Nah mate...wouldnt let your bigotry on it,to ruin it for all involved

Besides,doubt youd not last an hour without being kicked off/banned tbh....they moderated to ensure sh1tshows dont happen

janfebmar

_blaaz wrote: »

Nah mate...wouldnt let your bigotry on it,to ruin it for all involved

Besides,doubt youd not last an hour without being kicked off/banned tbh....they moderated to ensure sh1tshows dont happen

First, I am not your mate. I pointed that out to you before, on about half a dozen different occasions. The fact you persist in using the term "mate" when it is not wanted says more about you than about me.

Second, the only Irish language forum, where all the conversations are as Gaelige, and where the link was provided, only gets a few posts a month. It is virtually dead. I would not post there anyway, I have thankfully forgotten most of the Irish that was forced down my throat at school.

_blaaz

janfebmar wrote: »

First, I am not your mate. I pointed that out to you before, on about half a dozen different occasions. The fact you persist in using the term "mate" when it is not wanted says more about you than about me.

Second, the only Irish language forum, where all the conversations are as Gaelige, and where the link was provided, only gets a few posts a month. It is virtually dead. I would not post there anyway, I have thankfully forgotten most of the Irish that was forced down my throat at school.

Meh....like i said theres ones out there with 10k+ posts a month



Tbh son,roughly 80% of forums on boards are dead....the fact you think this amounts to any worthwhile evidence of anything is brilliant though

janfebmar

_blaaz wrote: »

Meh....like i said theres ones out there with 10k+ posts a month

Where people communicate in English. Irish language ones struggle to get a handful of posts per month.

nuac

Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »

Modh coinníollach.

Two words to explain why it won't be revived.

Agus an Módh Fo-shuíteach!

Hamsterchops

Irish language revival ........ attempt No 84

That is, if you take an attempted revival every every year since the mid 1930s, when Irish was introduced into our schools as "our 1st national language".

Slow & painful progress if you ask me.

nuac

Reati wrote: »

It's Saturday and it's joyful day so the Internet tells me. We might as well kick off an auld decade to repent the sins of the thread.

I n-ainm an athar, agus an mhic, agus an sprid naoimh, áiméin.

in the name of the father, the son and the Holy spirit, amen

Creidim i nDia, an tAthair Uilechumhachtach, Cruthaitheoir Nimhe agus Talún, agus i nÍosa Críost a Aonmhac san ár dTiarna, do gabhadh ón Spriod Naomh, do rugadh ó Mhuire ógh, d'fhulaig páis fé Phointeas Píolóid, do céasadh ar an gcrois, fuair bás agus d'adhlacadh, chuaigh síos go hifreann, d'aiséirigh an treas lá ó mhairbhe, chuaigh suas ar neamh, tá ina shuí ar dheasláimh Dé an tAthair Uilechumhachtach, as san tiocfaidh ag tabhairt bhreithiúntais ar bheo is ar mhairbh. Creidim sa Spriod Naomh, sa naomh-Eaglais Chaitliceach, i gComaoine na Naomh, i Maithiúnachas na bPeacaí, i nAiséirí na Colla, is sa Bheatha Shíoraí. áiméin.

I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, Our Lord, Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified; died, and was buried. He descended into Hell; the third day He arose again from the dead; He ascended into Heaven, sitteth at the right hand of God, the Father Almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen

Ár nAthair, atá ar neamh, go naomhaítear t'ainm, go dtaga do ríocht, go ndeintear do thoil ar an dtalamh mar a deintear ar neamh. Ár n-arán laethúil tabhair dhúinn inniu, agus maith dhúinn ár gcionta mar a mhaithimíd do chách, agus ná lig sinn i gcathú, ach saor sinn ó olc. áiméin.

Our Father, Who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name; Thy kingdom come; Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread; and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us; and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil, Amen.

So forth and so on...

Hasn't Pope Francis recently suggested amending the reference in OLP to temptation?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Irish language revival ........ attempt No 84

That is, if you take an attempted revival every every year since the mid 1930s, when Irish was introduced into our schools as "our 1st national language".

Slow & painful progress if you ask me.

I think you men attempt number 1 for the eighty-fourth time.

Edgware

nuac wrote: »

Agus an Módh Fo-shuíteach!

Agus an Tuiseal ghinedeach

Ken.

Mod-Nuac and Edgeware. Provide translations as per Boards rules.

Reati

nuac wrote: »

Agus an Módh Fo-shuíteach!

And the subjunctive mood

Also it's "an modh foshuiteach". No dash, no fada.

Edgware wrote: »

Agus an Tuiseal ghinedeach

And the genitive case

Done. Both relate to grammar structure and rules.

Reati

nuac wrote: »

Hasn't Pope Francis recently suggested amending the reference in OLP to temptation?

Wouldn't have a clue. I've zero interest in religion or what the pope thinks.

nuac

Reati wrote: »

Wouldn't have a clue. I've zero interest in religion or what the pope thinks.

Around here we speak of little else.

ultraviolence

stop forcing students to learn a language which the majority aren’t interested in, and then you’ll see a positive atmosphere towards irish and probably it will start to revive. In my year group, theres 4ordinary classes and 1higher, and I can tell you that, majority of us would be better off studying another subject that’s more useful than irish & can achieve points in. Learning ancient poems when you cant form a sentence isn’t going to revive irish. It creates more hatred for it.
Make it optional for LC.

Reati

ultraviolence wrote: »

stop forcing students to learn a language which the majority aren’t interested in, and then you’ll see a positive atmosphere towards irish and probably it will start to revive. In my year group, theres 4ordinary classes and 1higher, and I can tell you that, majority of us would be better off studying another subject that’s more useful than irish & can achieve points in. Learning ancient poems when you cant form a sentence isn’t going to revive irish. It creates more hatred for it.
Make it optional for LC.

Covered in depth about 20 pages ago...

ultraviolence

Reati wrote: »

Covered in depth about 20 pages ago...

And? I felt like giving my opinion as so did everyone else. I didn’t read every single page

Reati

ultraviolence wrote: »

And? I felt like giving my opinion as so did everyone else. I didn’t read every single page

OK

utconvert

Reati wrote: »

It's Saturday and it's joyful day so the Internet tells me. We might as well kick off an auld decade to repent the sins of the thread.

I n-ainm an athar, agus an mhic, agus an sprid naoimh, áiméin.

in the name of the father, the son and the Holy spirit, amen

Creidim i nDia, an tAthair Uilechumhachtach, Cruthaitheoir Nimhe agus Talún, agus i nÍosa Críost a Aonmhac san ár dTiarna, do gabhadh ón Spriod Naomh, do rugadh ó Mhuire ógh, d'fhulaig páis fé Phointeas Píolóid, do céasadh ar an gcrois, fuair bás agus d'adhlacadh, chuaigh síos go hifreann, d'aiséirigh an treas lá ó mhairbhe, chuaigh suas ar neamh, tá ina shuí ar dheasláimh Dé an tAthair Uilechumhachtach, as san tiocfaidh ag tabhairt bhreithiúntais ar bheo is ar mhairbh. Creidim sa Spriod Naomh, sa naomh-Eaglais Chaitliceach, i gComaoine na Naomh, i Maithiúnachas na bPeacaí, i nAiséirí na Colla, is sa Bheatha Shíoraí. áiméin.

I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, Our Lord, Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified; died, and was buried. He descended into Hell; the third day He arose again from the dead; He ascended into Heaven, sitteth at the right hand of God, the Father Almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen

Ár nAthair, atá ar neamh, go naomhaítear t'ainm, go dtaga do ríocht, go ndeintear do thoil ar an dtalamh mar a deintear ar neamh. Ár n-arán laethúil tabhair dhúinn inniu, agus maith dhúinn ár gcionta mar a mhaithimíd do chách, agus ná lig sinn i gcathú, ach saor sinn ó olc. áiméin.

Our Father, Who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name; Thy kingdom come; Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread; and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us; and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil, Amen.

So forth and so on...

You could try out lmknjb.com where plenty of this can be found in both Irish and English.

Reati

utconvert wrote: »

You could try out lmknjb.com where plenty of this can be found in both Irish and English.

Why? I'm not religious in the least and could care less what the books are in English or Irish. I posted it as a joke reply to someone else commenting on Irish and Catholicism or something. It was weeks ago so forgive me for not remembering the details.