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007 Mafia: GoldenWolf - GAME THREAD
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Ecto where did I say “anybody voting for me is a wolf?”.
I said anybody who is still clinging to either what Baggly said (I can’t do anything about what he said) or me being defencive (I’ve given very good reason and explained in detail why I’m defencive) should be watched. It’s either lazy /tunnel village play or wolves picking a soft target.
People aren’t judging what I have been posting, they are just looking for reasons to find me more suspect. If you were reading the posts of people who find me suspect you would swear I haven’t done one think remotely villagey. Like maybe try and suggest a strategy
- try to figure out which world we are in
- try to see if people will review the deaths and see what we can get from that
- ask for people to offer more meat to why I’m bad, not just “baggly and “being defensive” (Sulli was given out to for me not being defensive enough and now I’m being too defensive!)
Please do some digging Ecto, look into my posts if you like. Can you do me one favour, just review them on both sides , that I’m good and I’m bad, so you can give me a fair trial. And then at least allow me the chance to give a defence without this also being held against me.
Oh I plan to dig a lot today and into everyone. I'm equal opportunity like that
The thing is though, trying to figure out what world we're in doesn't actually do a lot to help us...the wolves know whether they have a role hunter or not. Based on that and the fact that we seem to have a JOAT, they already know which world we are in. We either have 2 or 3 roles but discussing that doesn't actually find us any wolves.
Reviewing deaths is ok to some degree but you're always guessing at motives with this. I dont want to seem negative - maybe there is info to be found there that I'm not seeing. Have you done this review yourself? Did you find anything?
Asking for more meat from people for their reasons for voting you is reasonable, although if you are villager the better way to counter this is to try and find the wolves yourself and make a case for it.
What I'm suggesting is that if you are team village try to focus outside yourself today. If you take accusations against you out of the picture who do you think is most suspicious and why?0 -
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Have we learned nothing from the last long game?! :pac: Doing ISO doesn't clear anyone, yees i include myself.
Yes...you'll notice my proviso. Leaning and for now
Basically this game for me is like being stuck in a room with a bunch of strangers, some of whom want to kill me while I'm backed into a corner with a pen and paper as my weapons
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Oh I plan to dig a lot today and into everyone. I'm equal opportunity like that
The thing is though, trying to figure out what world we're in doesn't actually do a lot to help us...the wolves know whether they have a role hunter or not. Based on that and the fact that we seem to have a JOAT, they already know which world we are in. We either have 2 or 3 roles but discussing that doesn't actually find us any wolves.
Reviewing deaths is ok to some degree but you're always guessing at motives with this. I dont want to seem negative - maybe there is info to be found there that I'm not seeing. Have you done this review yourself? Did you find anything?
Asking for more meat from people for their reasons for voting you is reasonable, although if you are villager the better way to counter this is to try and find the wolves yourself and make a case for it.
What I'm suggesting is that if you are team village try to focus outside yourself today. If you take accusations against you out of the picture who do you think is most suspicious and why?
I’m too busy defending myself from Baggly comments and for being “too defensive “ to investigate anything else. Maybe I should take the Sulli approach and let people say whatever they want, that worked out well for her.
I could be up for the lynch tonight so it’s hard to not try some self preservation. I don’t have a team or people backing me up. Actually there isn’t anybody even putting in any sort of defence for me so as a villager maybe I am better off letting you kill me and see if I can find somebody.
But I insist, when I come up good , villages get the thumbs out and look at the people going after me. Nobody has bothered doing that for sulli, I will of been the second villager to be lynched because of poor sleuthing or good manipulation from wolves.0 -
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Player Subs total Start D1-1 Start D1-2 D1-D1 posts
Dublinandy2 146 158 12
Ectoplasm 107 118 11
Choc Chip 78 97 19
Clarabel 86 91 5
Bounty Hunter 75 87 12
Drumpot 55 67 87 20
kitten_k 48 57 9
Strawberry Milkshake 33 46 57 11
Whiplashy 45 55 10
Barney92 35 49 14
fixxxer 43 48 5
Uriel. 36 39 3
Aint Eazy Being Cheezy 9 11 2
2 weeks and I've not opened my laptop! Can;t believe this game is making me do this. I was dreaming about WW last night, can I use my dreams in my reads:D:D:D:D:D
I've added in the subs posts to give a better indicated for Drum and Strawbs
My conclusions here.
Whippy, Barney and fixxxer - there's probably a wolf in there.
Uriel has wolf lean because of low posts BUT I will do an ISO on him now.
Cheesy - I dunno I am with BH on this but also not. surely if you were in a BR with other wolves theyd be saying, the heat is on..do something. Or maybe they are happy to bus him...It's odd. there's been no claim, neither no declaration of help me understand what is going on. Cheesy help us here please?
dandy is posting a lot but for me, not in a helpful village way. I will do an ISO on his posts from yesterday0 -
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No no no. You said
Clear as day, you contradicted your own FFA.
Nicely backtracked there BH. You lie again.
Now I'm confused by you
My original quoteBounty Hunter wrote: »What Flimsy Theory ? You were not the one of my 3 I was expecting to vote for but you are there because my gut didn't like Baggly who was overly defensive so much so that he claimed NRV on night 0 and since you have taken over his slot haven't done much but talk about people being against you etc. I'm asking to hear who you suspect instead, how is that a bad move?
You can threaten to vote for me if you wan't and I'll readily admit I don't know who the wolves are but I feel others have been throwing accusations around more than yourself and the other two on that FFA. I made an FFA yesterday as well as today and urged others to even though people rally against you if you mention people in them.
Why you stopped reading at one of my 3 and added a full stop I have no idea. It is only a few posts up
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Bounty Hunter wrote: »Now I'm confused by you
My original quote
Why you stopped reading at one of my 3 and added a full stop I have no idea. It is only a few posts up
Ah ok, I missed that. Sorry. Not like me to tunnel like that.0 -
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Bounty Hunter wrote: » Actually appreciate that. Was wondering what was going on with the selective quoting.
I think I need to take a break. I’m genuinely not angry, just engrossed in the game. I’m in a car park and have missed my workout! I’ve gone too many rabbit holes already and i can see now I’m not helping.
I will try to take a step back and let some more level headed villagers take the reigns. I’m on holidays next week so actually have a lot of work to do. I thought the slow game would be easier but I’ve let myself get too into it (I really like this setup).
I will try some of that self reflection I mentioned and stay tuned to thread and try to respond if called upon.0 -
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Ah ok, I missed that. Sorry. Not like me to tunnel like that.
Ah Drummer you've given me a good laugh there.I think I need to take a break. I’m genuinely not angry, just engrossed in the game. I’m in a car park and have missed my workout! I’ve gone too many rabbit holes already and i can see now I’m not helping.
I will try to take a step back and let some more level headed villagers take the reigns. I’m on holidays next week so actually have a lot of work to do. I thought the slow game would be easier but I’ve let myself get too into it (I really like this setup).
I will try some of that self reflection I mentioned and stay tuned to thread and try to respond if called upon.
Yeah, a break helped me a lot. Go, do something else and try coming back with fresh eyes. Can't hurt and saved my sanity anyway.0 -
Why Dandy?
Also more generally, can people try to give their reasons for their votes. Explaining your reasons helps other villagers and wolves find it hard to come up with solid reasons to vote as a general rule.
Just me being lazy. I put him on my ffa last night and thought it was recent enough to get away with
I didn’t like the late effort to save Sully. Seemed in genuine and rather pointless at the time it was done when there was so few online. He also made a comment something to the effect of even if I’m a wolf which I though was a very bizzare thing for a villager to say. I’m torn between voting for drummer and Dandy tbh, but I can see how I’ve been a bit tunnelly with drummer which could be dangerous.0 -
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Kitten K was on my list for today anyway so I'll take a look at the ISO (have had my 10am meeting pushed out 2 hours). Original post by fixxxer is #1185
Fluff / Mechanics:
Morning all. Congrats Tusk on losing your mod virginity! BH - not necessarily - could be 4 goons and no role cop (unless you know something we don’t)
Welcome back Vale, RIP Murray
Fixxxer the post limit doesn’t kick in until after munch on Monday
I think they are just randed as per normal based on the roles in the matrix and if you have a role it is your role for the game
Yea I reckon it will bring us up pretty close to it
I reckon it will be a nightmare to mod and keep track of the votes, glad its not me!
Where did this happen??
Thanks sKeith but worries me that you figured out that he could be a RV and you posted that on the thread :confused
That role sounds like a hard one to play well
Gone very quiet in here. By my reckoning there are still 5 people to post but they may not be aware the game has started yet
You weren't scolded! It was just pointed out that you should be more careful about revealing possible roled players - not that you cannot discuss the roles
What give you that impression Baggly
If he is the vig, you are safe until N2 as I don't think he can shoot until then
That would be some game!
Exactly - as we start learning what roles people have then it will help narrow down what roles we are playing with. The downside of that though is that the wolves will also get to know
I’m sitting waiting on Buble to start :-)
I wish!!
Morning all, great gig last night. Busy day today as have my house warming tonight. Will be here on and off. In relation to SK and BH - I think SK is just being his usual self and happy to believe for now that BH read the matrix wrong
It was a great night, didn't have the head space yesterday to be able to read the thread on the phone! Back in work today so will be on more. RIP Vale
The village don't have but the wolves may have one depending on what column we are working from
We are using 35 hour days so there is no lynch until tomorrow night
I took the whole shoot Baggly thing as a joke carried over from playing popcorn, never actually thought Vale was serious about it
Would the village not be able to work out what roles we are playing with based on any power roles announced on death?
That happened to before, I deleted my history on the phone and it went back to normal
Some commentary above on sK and BH being good. Did push sK a little bit on potentially exposing a roled player (braver than me kitten) but that's the only negative commentary. Everything else is very casual and nice and super-helpful.
She had a good handle on game mechanics when a lot of people were struggling with the matrix... potentially wolfy, just because it may have been discussed in a backroom...?
I was wondering why Clarabel was popping up on people radar so much so went back and read her posts again. 51 posts and all pretty much fluff or mechanics except for her read list which was very soft and even included two people that are not even playing! >> Copy of m post
very slight wolf lean here on clarabel - first read i've seen
Aw by Baggly. Welcome Drummer, hopefully you won't be need to one of these to dig tunnels
Wolf would normally give soft reads as its easier to back track. I am not saying she is defo a wolf as it was D0 so hard to get a read on people but it's something to keep in mind. The mention of QB and Strawberry was weird - fair enough QB has posted as she is modding but there are no posts from Strawberry as she is not playing yet Clarabel put them both as wolfy.
Do people realise there is no lynch tonight so votes don’t need to be until tomorrow?
Get their vote in
Hi Drumpot, what makes you think you can’t post until Thursday?
I agree that people should vote for who they think is most wolfy as it will give us more information to work with later in the game.
As an aside - Sulli is a she not a he.
Well Baggly wasn't exactly a no show. He withdrew from the game. Mods usually prefer to use subs if they are available as it doesn't upset the balance of the game and gives someone else an opportunity to play
Bye Skunk, welcome Strawberry
That wouldn't make sense from a game point of view as then everyone would know the person was roled. If it was a RV, then the wolves would know who to munch. As SK says - if subs are available the preference is to use them
Sorry thought I responded to you on this. My issue is that you were possibly outing another players role which I didn't agree with. But you personally outed yourself as having a BR, not another player outing you - you see the difference? As I said previously I don't actually have a wolf lean on you
clarifying no wolf lean on sK
Vote Dublinandy2
I have put in a vote on Dandy mainly based on the above:
1. Didn't like how he thought two players playing the same role could be different alignments even before Drumpot had posted!
2. His flip flopping on votes. Voting Sulli to save CC even though he thinks there are more likely wolves and then switching to Fixxxer because he called him out on it.
All players will have a certain level of fluff posts. Usually Dandy's thing is his stories which don't be appearing much this game and seem to have been replaced with the graphic but I am not sure if he is pocketing with these as a lot of them were done on request, not only to get people on side with him.
Above explains why voting Dandy. First mention of him. In fairness, this gave me some questions which I put to Dandy last night. Second person on who KK has a wolfy lean
You think you get invested in it when playing - wait until you are modding!!
You only have to make it to 7 and then the limit is lifted
You back tracking on Drumpot now? Thought you said he wasn’t a wolf?
But how can we scrutinise a player that is not posting? I get what your are saying but there is not much we can about it until either they post / are subbed / modkilled
encouraging me not to waste my time on cheezy - I agree in principle but I do think we need to push very low posting players to post so that we have SOMETHING to analyse
I’m here now, evenings aren’t great for me. Dandy I see you flipped your vote again!
At least you didn’t forget my story!
Yea poor BH, at least I look hot in your first story. Well I’m hardly ever here between when work ends and lynch is over
RIP Trit & SK. I assume the two deaths mean we are playing a game that has a Jack of all trades and they used their vig shot?
Barney - will this RIP confirm Kitten as a wolf?
Can't be the vig as it is an even night vig and last night was N1
Happy birthday Clarabel. There is no way of know for sure as there is no flavour. We could assume that they are listed in the order - munch - jack kill - but it is just guessing
I would agree with Barney's reading of the role cop. It is like a wolf Seer, however in normal game I don't think they get their result before munch so probably the same in this game. Them munching Trit / SK means that if they have a role cop then they haven't been successful in finding a RV.
I don't follow this? Why would a wolf try stop a villager being lynched?
If we are in column a we have a town doctor and a JOAT
If we do have a vig kill then I reckon we can be certain we are in 2D. Anything else we would be still guessing
again, good handle on mechanics. I'm not saying this is a bad thing at all, it's just that lots of kitten's posts are made up of this
That would probably work if he done it earlier or it had more than impact, but I don't think anyone would buy that off him at this stage especially considering his vote was on Fixxxer at the time and therefore didn't reduce the votes on Sulli. He moved to Drumpot with 3 mins to go, not enough time
How so? Clarabel/QB Comment
Yea next lynch is tomorrow night:
D0 - Friday opening - Monday munch
D1 - Monday munch - Tuesday lynch
N1 - Tuesday lynch - Wednesday munch
D2 - Wednesday munch - Thursday lynch
N2 - Thursday lynch - Friday munch
D3 - Friday munch - Saturday lynch
N3 - Saturday lynch - Sunday munch
D4 - Sunday munch - Monday lynch
N4 - Monday lynch - Tuesday munch
D5 - Tuesday munch - Wednesday lynch
But for the JOAT role block to work as protection they would need to know who was a wolf and which wolf put in the kill order?
Yea I got your point on that and I agree. My point was in relation to your part about it coming in useful later if we have a RV
How do you guys find the time and the patience to do ISO’s? I started doing one in the last game and had to give up! Any tips?
Thanks girls, might try one if I get time some day during work. Evenings are a no go
Going to put a vote on kitten_k here. Going through her posts one by one I'm actually struck by how little substance there is to them. Mostly fluffy posts and commenting on other peoples interactions, and a feel good bit of question answering. The longest bit of input is on the do we or do we not have a JOAT. While useful to know, it doesn't help us hunt wolves very much, and is just the sort of chat I'd like to keep going if I was on team wolf.
Other little things like complimenting the people doing ISO lists (while not contributing and read lists herself) creating a little feel good bubble. No wolf hunting, at most a gentle poke at Dandy for flip flopping on votes. I can't see anywhere where she has put any pressure on another player to try and squeeze a useful interaction out of them.
I saw this post from Clarabel and I think it hits the nail on the head with what I'm thinking.
"Kitty kat is reminding me of QB when she was wolf (but not a smooth). "
There are friendly posts, there are helpful posts, but there are no honest to goodness wolf hunting posts.
I can see where you're coming from. There are 2 negative comments in there that I can see, one where kitten explained her Dandy vote (and she had to vote there) and one on clarabel based on fluffy posts/mechanics and a soft read list - Kitten, the irony!!!!
She does have a good handle on the game, either village keeping cards very close to chest or wolfy... definitely potentially wolfy0 -
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