Are they just filthy bastards in Ballymun and North Dublin City

Mrsmum

I'm feeling generous today so sortof in their defence, I think cleanliness begets cleanliness and filth begets filth. If your area is very clean, to a certain extent, there is, for most people, some block in your mental attitude against carelessly throwing your wrapper on the ground but if your place is already awful, then is it any wonder your attitude is meh, no big deal before you chuck the wrapper. I think maybe the very same person who wouldn't throw litter on the street in Kilkenny might do it in a place where there is already loads of litter. More of a question really than a statement.

Zorya

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

The worst is the River Barrow. Fuckers just dump bags of rubbish into the river.

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Rivers, eh.

Not Dublin, but I saw this short clip this morning...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYiZfgmec7E

:eek:

I should have left it at that, but Oh No, had to depress meself a bit more...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUDgWUp6xUg

:eek::eek:

Indonesia wasn't enough, I had to go on to Guatamala...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeCiihx-JsA

:eek::eek::eek:



It goes on and on. Manila, India, China. Omnipresent Plastic and the Anthropocene. Sad.

Thelonious Monk

Well that's cheered my afternoon right up ^^^

Fan of Netflix

Zorya wrote: »

Rivers, eh.

Not Dublin, but I saw this short clip this morning...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYiZfgmec7E

:eek:

I should have left it at that, but Oh No, had to depress meself a bit more...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUDgWUp6xUg

:eek::eek:

Indonesia wasn't enough, I had to go on to Guatamala...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeCiihx-JsA

:eek::eek::eek:



It goes on and on. Manila, India, China. Omnipresent Plastic and the Anthropocene. Sad.

Would love to see the Irish Green party response to this. Their solution is crush Irish workers with carbon tax and it should solve the above.

biko

Asia and Africa are the problem. We need to help them stop the pollution.
Why are these countries such big polluters? Well, they're poor. They don't have good infrastructure for dealing with waste.
As countries become wealthier, they are better able to clean up their messes. This is a phenomenon known as the environmental Kuznets curve.

Also, plastic straws aren't the problem - fishing nets account for 46 percent of all ocean plastic.

Thelonious Monk

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Would love to see the Irish Green party response to this. Their solution is crush Irish workers with carbon tax and it should solve the above.

They don't plan on solving the world's problems, but they certainly want to clean up our own back yard anyway

conorhal

biko wrote: »

The movie Hot Fuzz is about what happens when you litter.

It's time that the local tidy towns committee started acting in ...'the greater good'

Fan of Netflix

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

They don't plan on solving the world's problems, but they certainly want to clean up our own back yard anyway

They won't solve any problems, only make them worse like last time they were in government.

Bobby Baccala

They've obviously never been to Moatview or Belcamp

Thelonious Monk

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

They won't solve any problems, only make them worse like last time they were in government.

That remains to be seen. You could say everyone previously in government made a mess of various things really though.

Wheeliebin30

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I've cycled through Summerhill long enough to see what goes on. They just put their bags of rubbish out on the street and expect others to clean it up. I think they're supposed to buy bin tags in those parts but obviously they don't bother. It's nothing to do with them not being able to afford it, they just don't care about living in their own sh*t. For the price of a pint or whatever they just ordered from just-eat they could easily pay for bin tags.
I saw a woman bring what looked like her grandkid to a public street bin around there a while ago and shove a huge bag of rubbish into it, only half of it went out and the rest was hanging out spewing rubbish onto the street. Great example to set love.
These people have zero pride in their communities, they're not even smart enough to realise they're rubbishing the area, it just does not compute with them. I shouted at some wan who f*cked a plastic bottle on the road in North Strand recently to pick it up and she looked so shocked that I dared say anything.
The funny thing is it's these same gobsh*tes who put up Irish flags and hunger striker posters ffs. Irish pride my bollocks.

And expect tax payers to give them a free forever home.

Parasites.

joeysoap

Got the Galway train a few times recently. Just out of Heuston the amount of rubbish at the rear of houses is astonishing. Appears to be thrown over back garden walls. I have no idea where it is.

Deebles McBeebles

joeysoap wrote: »

Got the Galway train a few times recently. Just out of Heuston the amount of rubbish at the rear of houses is astonishing. Appears to be thrown over back garden walls. I have no idea where it is.

Saw that last week, its amazing. Can't be that hard to clamp down on it when its literally behind the perpetrators house.

suicide_circus

i live in a working class area of Dublin with a fair proportion of multigenerational non workers. the kids exit the shop or the chipper, open their purchase and immediately drop the wrapper on the ground without a second thought. Their parents bag up their household rubbish and either throw it directly into the street outside their home or take it up to a local green patch and set fire to it. This is then eventually cleaned up by the council.

Thelonious Monk

suicide_circus wrote: »

i live in a working class area of Dublin with a fair proportion of multigenerational non workers. the kids exit the shop or the chipper, open their purchase and immediately drop the wrapper on the ground without a second thought. Their parents bag up their household rubbish and either throw it directly into the street outside their home or take it up to a local green patch and set fire to it. This is then eventually cleaned up by the council.

I live in a place peppered with these types too. Sometimes I clean up some of the rubbish in my cul de sac and get very strange looks from them.

Pyr0

The problem is lack of respect and utter laziness. If you take the area just outside the Civic Center in Ballymun as an example, you'll see chipper and take away bags and boxes and cans just thrown about with bins a few feet away and half empty. It's cleaned up daily by the council and rinse and repeat, it's infuriating. There's an area just outside my house where people dump all sorts of stuff too, bin bags that get ripped open and spill everywhere, random pieces of furniture, everything and anything and again that gets picked up it just repeats.

Makes me think that if it just builds up will people start getting their act together and look after their surroundings.

Wishful thinking tho!

InTheShadows

biko wrote: »

Asia and Africa are the problem. We need to help them stop the pollution.
Why are these countries such big polluters? Well, they're poor. They don't have good infrastructure for dealing with waste.
As countries become wealthier, they are better able to clean up their messes. This is a phenomenon known as the environmental Kuznets curve.

Also, plastic straws aren't the problem - fishing nets account for 46 percent of all ocean plastic.

We've been helping Africa for years ffs. How about they got off their lazy arses and helped themselves.

Fan of Netflix

Isn't this something community groups in the inner city and Ballymun should be dealing with? And local politicians etc.

Isn't it hilarious Ciaran Cuffe from Greens topped the poll in the North Inner City the other week, he can't even keep his backyard from looking like a 3rd world slum and now off to the EU to tell Europe how to do it.

Thelonious Monk

Pyr0 wrote: »

Makes me think that if it just builds up will people start getting their act together and look after their surroundins. Wishful thinking!

This kind of thing just does not register in their brains. I'm sure we've all had a flatmate that just doesn't appear to see dishes left around the place and the flat being a mess. It's similar kind of ignorance.
I wonder though if you just left them to stew in their own filth without cleaning up if sooner or later they'd get the finger out and do something about it? Wishful thinking probably, they'd just blame anyone but themselves.

Boom_Bap

There is also a new trend that I'm noticing of used take away coffee cups being left in the middle of footpaths, anyone else see this?

suicide_circus

its a lack or respect. a lack of respect for their environment, their neighbours but mostly a lack of respect for themselves. Why? because they are infantilised by the SW system. they are adult children getting pocket money from the state and being babysat from the cradle to the grave having never contributed themselves. i dont think i'd feel too invested in myself or the environs under those circumstances. couple this with absolutely no consequences for anti social behaviour such as littering...

Boom_Bap

Berties_Horse wrote: »

A new hipster trend?

Nah, the hipsters are drinking mead out of faux rhino horns these days.

Deebles McBeebles

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

This kind of thing just does not register in their brains. I'm sure we've all had a flatmate that just doesn't appear to see dishes left around the place and the flat being a mess. It's similar kind of ignorance.
I wonder though if you just left them to stew in their own filth without cleaning up if sooner or later they'd get the finger out and do something about it? Wishful thinking probably, they'd just blame anyone but themselves.

More likely there would be a piece run in the papers with said scummers standing in front of piles of rubbish with little sad faces blaming the council for not picking up their mess.

secondrowgal

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Isn't this something community groups in the inner city and Ballymun should be dealing with? And local politicians etc.

Isn't it hilarious Ciaran Cuffe from Greens topped the poll in the North Inner City the other week, he can't even keep his backyard from looking like a 3rd world slum and now off to the EU to tell Europe how to do it.

Third time lucky eh? I think you should give up, no one's biting.

Wheeliebin30

suicide_circus wrote: »

its a lack or respect. a lack of respect for their environment, their neighbours but mostly a lack of respect for themselves. Why? because they are infantilised by the SW system. they are adult children getting pocket money from the state and being babysat from the cradle to the grave having never contributed themselves. i dont think i'd feel too invested in myself or the environs under those circumstances. couple this with absolutely no consequences for anti social behaviour such as littering...

But their the most vulnerable in society.

Bless them.

Deebles McBeebles

Boom_Bap wrote: »

There is also a new trend that I'm noticing of used take away coffee cups being left in the middle of footpaths, anyone else see this?

Kind people thinking ahead and giving smokers somewhere to throw butts no doubt.

InTheShadows

Some people are just absolute dirt bags. Look at this from last years Electric picnic event

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/electric-picnic-2018-reckless-revellers-13192251

These events are attended by mostly middle and upper class kids and 20 somethings so the problem is rampant across all classes and aspects of society.

Fan of Netflix

secondrowgal wrote: »

Third time lucky eh? I think you should give up, no one's biting.

I'm not trolling, I'm just stating the Greens are hypocrites in everything they do. Cuffe has been in politics on the gravy train a very long time. He wants to save the planet but can't even save the Inner City from being a third world slum.

suicide_circus

InTheShadows wrote: »

Some people are just absolute dirt bags. Look at this from last years Electric picnic event

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/electric-picnic-2018-reckless-revellers-13192251

These events are attended by mostly middle and upper class kids and 20 somethings so the problem is rampant across all classes and aspects of society.

while the festival dumping is manky, these people paid a fortune to be there and probably expect to be cleaned up after and are also hungover to fook. to me at least, dumping household waste on your own street is more grim somehow.

Fan of Netflix

InTheShadows wrote: »

Some people are just absolute dirt bags. Look at this from last years Electric picnic event

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/electric-picnic-2018-reckless-revellers-13192251

These events are attended by mostly middle and upper class kids and 20 somethings so the problem is rampant across all classes and aspects of society.

It's a bit different doing it at a one off festival to casually walking down Parnell Street chucking McDonalds on the ground on a daily basis.

Thelonious Monk

InTheShadows wrote: »

Some people are just absolute dirt bags. Look at this from last years Electric picnic event

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/electric-picnic-2018-reckless-revellers-13192251

These events are attended by mostly middle and upper class kids and 20 somethings so the problem is rampant across all classes and aspects of society.

It's not nice but they know an army of cleaners will be cleaning up after them, and they paid for it.

Thelonious Monk

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

He wants to save the planet but can't even save the Inner City from being a third world slum.

No politician is going to change the psyche of a whole class of people any time soon

Pawwed Rig

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I've cycled through Summerhill long enough to see what goes on. They just put their bags of rubbish out on the street and expect others to clean it up. I think they're supposed to buy bin tags in those parts but obviously they don't bother. It's nothing to do with them not being able to afford it, they just don't care about living in their own sh*t. For the price of a pint or whatever they just ordered from just-eat they could easily pay for bin tags.
I saw a woman bring what looked like her grandkid to a public street bin around there a while ago and shove a huge bag of rubbish into it, only half of it went out and the rest was hanging out spewing rubbish onto the street. Great example to set love.
These people have zero pride in their communities, they're not even smart enough to realise they're rubbishing the area, it just does not compute with them. I shouted at some wan who f*cked a plastic bottle on the road in North Strand recently to pick it up and she looked so shocked that I dared say anything.
The funny thing is it's these same gobsh*tes who put up Irish flags and hunger striker posters ffs. Irish pride my bollocks.

I work in Dublin 1 and unfortunately can confirm that this post is 100% accurate. There is a belief that it is the council's job to keep the place clean and that the local residents have no role. The council unfortunately capitulate and collect all the crap. There is no pride in their area and no gratitude for the cheap subsidised housing and services provided.

mfceiling

Thanks for reminding me OP. Last week I was turning in towards my estate. Lady in front in a red BMW casually throws a plastic bag out the passenger window. I blare the horn and point at it...Window is down so I shout "pick up your fcuking rubbish". She drove off and gave me a wave. I stopped to pick it up and put it in the bin which was about 10 metres away. It was a bag of vomit!!
Got her reg and took a photo of the bag. Going to contact the litter warden now.

Force Carrier

Locals flat out denying this.

Ultimate Seduction

Merry_Hell wrote: »

People caught littering are given fines that they are under no obligation to pay. This isn't complex stuff.

Nonsense! My brother was before the courts last year for littering. His post office payment receipt was found!

facehugger99

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The funny thing is it's these same gobsh*tes who put up Irish flags and hunger striker posters ffs. Irish pride my bollocks.

They didn't mind living in their own sh;t either.

andekwarhola

InTheShadows wrote: »

Low income areas can't afford the bin charges that where privatised. Who'd have thought it.

If that was the full story, everybody in low income areas would dump their rubbish on the road but they don't.

Its about time people stopped insisting that lapses in personal responsibility are always down to class, which they are clearly not.

Plus the poorest person in the county can stick a crisp bag in their pocket until they get to a litter bin.

andekwarhola

As for the price of legal dumping, if a bunch of residents do a clean up of their locale, the council will come collect it free. We recently did a clean up of a section of our local park and stocked all sorts of trash which SDCC collected.

NSAman

Waiting at the lights on North Quays, some asshole came straight out of apartment with a plastic bag of rubbish, crosses the road and dumps it in the Liffey. I honk like hell, as I saw it coming. Lights turn green guy behind me gets out to stop yer man, he runs off.... what mentality do you have to have to do something like this?

Force Carrier

Isn't there a Waste Waiver Scheme where Local Authorities offer reduced or no cost for waste collection?

70,000 Households covered in Dublin.

TCM

Guy:Incognito wrote:

Plenty of people who probably wouldnt dream of dropping rubbish on the street will happily drop rubbish all around them and leave loads I'd crsp behind them in the cinema . I see that all the time too.

That's not relevant to the this discussion.

InTheShadows

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's not nice but they know an army of cleaners will be cleaning up after them, and they paid for it.

Not good enough. They are scumbags just like anyone who chucks litter on the street anywhere.

BeerWolf

I ****ing loathe people that litter. Shove their junk down their throats.

Guy:Incognito

suicide_circus wrote: »

while the festival dumping is manky, these people paid a fortune to be there and probably expect to be cleaned up after

What sort of an adult expects to be cleaned up after in any situation? Ffs.

Bar a restaurant or soemthing where theres no facility to clear your own plates.

Guy:Incognito

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's not nice but they know an army of cleaners will be cleaning up after them, and they paid for it.

That's the same attitude as people dropping rubbish on the street and not worrying because theres street cleaners going around. It's not an excuse.

Clean the **** up after yourself. If you can drag all that **** down there you can take the empties back with you .

suicide_circus

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

What sort of an adult expects to be cleaned up after in any situation? Ffs.

Bar a restaurant or soemthing where theres no facility to clear your own plates.

restaurant, hotel, airplane anywhere where you are a paying guest pretty much

Guy:Incognito

TCM wrote: »

That's not relevant to the this discussion.

It very much is. Dumping your rubbish indoors is still littering.

All part of a not giving a **** attitude. Just some like to think they are above things like littering and justify doing it in certain circumstances.

Guy:Incognito

suicide_circus wrote: »

restaurant, hotel, airplane anywhere where you are a paying guest pretty much

Disagree. When I leave a hotel , any rubbish I've generated is tied up in a bag and left with the bin. Why the **** would you just drop rubbish around you on a plane?

People have enough work to be doing without cleaning up the rubbish of adult children.

El_Bee

suicide_circus wrote: »

its a lack or respect. a lack of respect for their environment, their neighbours but mostly a lack of respect for themselves. Why? because they are infantilised by the SW system. they are adult children getting pocket money from the state and being babysat from the cradle to the grave having never contributed themselves. i dont think i'd feel too invested in myself or the environs under those circumstances. couple this with absolutely no consequences for anti social behaviour such as littering...

Sure they're entitled to it.