2019-20 UEFA Champions League- SEE Mod Note in OP 15/08/20

josip

Mad stuff in Copenhagen tonight during the penalty shoot out.
Both teams down to 10 men by the end.
The penalty spot wouldn't have looked out of place on pitch 19 in St. Annes.
The paucity of grass was only exceeded by the inability of the takers and half of them skyed it over the bar, I think 3 Serbs in a row managed it.
The Serb keeper kept them in it, scored his own peno too and it was only on taker No. 11 (2nd time around) that the Danes missed and Zvezda went through.


Once the end has been chosen for penalties, can the ref decide at any time that it's no longer "playable" and change ends?

josip

^^^ now on Youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCBQvFGmLhU

citytillidie

Play-off Round 1st legs
Tuesday 20th August
APOEL FC (CYP) V AFC Ajax (NED) - Live on RTE 2 / BT Sport 2
CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU) V Slavia Praha (CZE) - Live on BT Sport ESPN
LASK (AUT) V Club Brugge (BEL) - Live on BT Sport 3

Wednesday 21st August
GNK Dinamo (CRO) V Rosenborg (NOR) - Live on BT Sport ESPN
Olympiacos (GRE) V FC Krasnodar (RUS) - Live on BT Sport 3
Young Boys (SUI) V FK Crvena zvezda (SRB) - Live on BT Sport 2

kksaints

Ajax looked very ordinary tonight against Apoel.

Cypher_sounds

kksaints wrote: »

Ajax looked very ordinary tonight against Apoel.

How many players from the squad have they lost over the summer?

I’m not too surprised at that result tonight. Would be very difficult for any team after losing such key first team players as they did.

NIMAN

Is it not 2?

Admittedly, its De Jong and De Ligt, 2 huge players for them, but bar them I think the rest of the team is the same?

citytillidie

Play-off Round 1st leg results
APOEL FC (CYP) 0 V 0 AFC Ajax (NED)
CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU) 0 V 1 Slavia Praha (CZE)
LASK (AUT) 0 V 1 Club Brugge (BEL)
GNK Dinamo (CRO) 2 V 0 Rosenborg (NOR)
Olympiacos (GRE) 4 V 0 FC Krasnodar (RUS)
Young Boys (SUI) 2 V 2 FK Crvena zvezda (SRB)

fyfe79

Krasnador, who knocked out Porto in the last round, with their arse handed to them by Olympiakos.

Mr.Nice Guy

Seems Krasnodar collapsed in the last 15 minutes. Disappointed as I like a few of their players and was curious to see them in the main competition. Tie certainly looks done and dusted now.

citytillidie

Play-off Round 2nd legs
Tuesday 27th August
FK Crvena zvezda (SRB) V Young Boys (SUI) (Agg 2-2) - Live on BT Sport 2 / RTE 2
FC Krasnodar (RUS) V Olympiacos (GRE) (Agg 0-4) - Live on BT Sport 1
Rosenborg (NOR) V GNK Dinamo (CRO) (Agg 0-2) - Live on BT Sport 3

Wednesday 28th August
AFC Ajax (NED) V APOEL FC (CYP) (Agg 0-0) - Live on BT Sport 2
Slavia Praha (CZE) V CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU) (Agg 1-0) - Live on BT Sport 3
Club Brugge (BEL) V LASK (AUT) (Agg 1-0) - Live on BT Sport 1

Mr.Nice Guy

Hilarious stuff during the Krasnodar/Olympiacos game. Krasnodar make it 1-0 inside 10 minutes with the crowd believing the miracle comeback is on, only for Olympiacos to score an away goal seconds after the restart. Krasnodar need 5 now.

jacool

Less than hilarious stuff in Belgrade, where the ball boys slowed down every single ball return, to the point where the Young Boys keeper ended up kicking the hoarding in frustration. I had a soft spot for the team formerly known as Red Star Belgrade, but those antics, mirrored by Marin on the pitch makes me want to see someone absolutely hockey them in the groups. Hope UEFA noticed as it was desperate stuff altogether.

Dr. Bre

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2019/0827/1071189-red-star-fans-bring-a-tank-to-their-stadium/

citytillidie

Strange one in the Ajax game where VAR ruled a goal offside but the player was not part of the goal

VAR picture, player pictured where the line does not go to the ball it is the player Ajax player running in behind who heads the ball back and as you can see he is miles onside

https://twitter.com/Matte_Rova/status/1166807479856111616

8-10

Absolute joke of a decision. I hate VAR

citytillidie

Play-off Round 2nd leg results
FK Crvena zvezda (SRB) 1 V 1 Young Boys (SUI) (Agg 3-3) FK Crvena zvezda (SRB) win on away goals
FC Krasnodar (RUS) 1 V 2 Olympiacos (GRE) (Agg 1-6)
Rosenborg (NOR) 1 V 1 GNK Dinamo (CRO) (Agg 1-3)
AFC Ajax (NED) 2 V 0 APOEL FC (CYP) (Agg 2-0)
Slavia Praha (CZE) 1 V 0 CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU) (Agg 2-0)
Club Brugge (BEL) 2 V 1 LASK (AUT) (Agg 3-1)

Group Stage Pots
Pot 1
Liverpool (ENG, holders)
Chelsea (ENG, UEFA Europa League winners)
Barcelona (ESP)
Manchester City (ENG)
Juventus (ITA)
Bayern (GER)
Paris (FRA)
Zenit (RUS)

Pot 2
Real Madrid (ESP)
Atlético Madrid (ESP)
Borussia Dortmund (GER)
Napoli (ITA)
Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR)
Tottenham Hotspur (ENG)
AFC Ajax (NED)
Benfica (POR)

Pot 3
Lyon (FRA)
Bayer Leverkusen (GER)
Salzburg (AUT)
Olympiacos (GRE)
Club Brugge (BEL)
Valencia (ESP)
Internazionale Milano (ITA)
GNK Dinamo (CRO)

Pot 4
Lokomotiv Moskva (RUS)
Genk (BEL)
Galatasaray (TUR)
RB Leipzig (GER)
Slavia Praha (CZE)
Crvena zvezda (SRB)
Atalanta (ITA)
LOSC Lille (FRA)

Harry Palmr

Liverpool, Ajax, Salzburg Genk will do.

Jelle1880

Ajax' second goal was a thing of beauty.

the whole year inn

citytillidie wrote: »

Play-off Round 2nd leg results
FK Crvena zvezda (SRB) 1 V 1 Young Boys (SUI) (Agg 3-3) FK Crvena zvezda (SRB) win on away goals
FC Krasnodar (RUS) 1 V 2 Olympiacos (GRE) (Agg 1-6)
Rosenborg (NOR) 1 V 1 GNK Dinamo (CRO) (Agg 1-3)
AFC Ajax (NED) 2 V 0 APOEL FC (CYP) (Agg 2-0)
Slavia Praha (CZE) 1 V 0 CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU) (Agg 2-0)
Club Brugge (BEL) 2 V 1 LASK (AUT) (Agg 3-1)

Group Stage Pots
Pot 1
Liverpool (ENG, holders)
Chelsea (ENG, UEFA Europa League winners)
Barcelona (ESP)
Manchester City (ENG)
Juventus (ITA)
Bayern (GER)
Paris (FRA)
Zenit (RUS)

Pot 2
Real Madrid (ESP)
Atlético Madrid (ESP)
Borussia Dortmund (GER)
Napoli (ITA)
Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR)
Tottenham Hotspur (ENG)
AFC Ajax (NED)
Benfica (POR)

Pot 3
Lyon (FRA)
Bayer Leverkusen (GER)
Salzburg (AUT)
Olympiacos (GRE)
Club Brugge (BEL)
Valencia (ESP)
Internazionale Milano (ITA)
GNK Dinamo (CRO)

Pot 4
Lokomotiv Moskva (RUS)
Genk (BEL)
Galatasaray (TUR)
RB Leipzig (GER)
Slavia Praha (CZE)
Crvena zvezda (SRB)
Atalanta (ITA)
LOSC Lille (FRA)

When is the draw?

BullBlackNova

Draw ceremony begins at 6pm CEST, so 5pm here.

Includes the FIFA Best Player Awards between each round too so it should take a few hours to finish in full.

Kiith

5pm today.

Dr. Bre

Leipzig in pot D are one to avoid.

8-10

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Leipzig in pot D are one to avoid.

Agreed, would take any of the others.

Inter Milan are the ones to avoid in Pot 3, they're the Liverpool of the past 2 seasons in that I think they'll get out of the group from 3rd seed.

Lyon another there that I'd prefer to avoid.

Don't really care who we get in Pot 2, if we avoid those 3 teams in 3 and 4 I think we'll be fine.

Cake Man

Can Red Star Belgrade draw Dinamo Zagreb if they are pulled out or is this tie to be avoided? Would be mad if they could, there’d be war! Throw in Zenit and Shakhtar Donetsk and it’s basically WW3 kicking off!

dundalkfc10

citytillidie wrote: »

Strange one in the Ajax game where VAR ruled a goal offside but the player was not part of the goal

VAR picture, player pictured where the line does not go to the ball it is the player Ajax player running in behind who heads the ball back and as you can see he is miles onside

https://twitter.com/Matte_Rova/status/1166807479856111616

Hes offside!

8-10

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Hes offside!

But he's not interfering with play and I don't see how this is a clear an obvious error by the ref that means it should be overturned?

Spideog Rua

Cake Man wrote: »

Can Red Star Belgrade draw Dinamo Zagreb if they are pulled out or is this tie to be avoided? Would be mad if they could, there’d be war! Throw in Zenit and Shakhtar Donetsk and it’s basically WW3 kicking off!

A literal group of death

Zenith
Shakhtar
Zagreb
Belgrade

Ah feck, thought it was a morning draw.

8-10

Spideog Rua wrote: »

A literal group of death

Zenith
Shakhtar
Zagreb
Belgrade

Shakhtar and Zenit can't be drawn together.

I would be very surprised if the other 2 aren't kept apart too despite there being no official rule.

And I still think it's bonkers that Ajax can be a pot 2 team, who won their league and were a kick away from last season's final had to navigate 2 qualifying rounds

Guffy

8-10 wrote: »

But he's not interfering with play and I don't see how this is a clear an obvious error by the ref that means it should be overturned?

A case be made that he is interfering the the defenders line tracking the ball. The def has to go around him. Im not saying it was a good call but i can see the call at least

8-10

Guffy wrote: »

A case be made that he is interfering the the defenders line tracking the ball. The def has to go around him. Im not saying it was a good call but i can see the call at least

Yep I can see it alright but I think it's very very harsh. I was all for giving VAR a chance but I'm starting to really dislike the way something like this is overturned but they look at Tammy Abraham going down against Liverpool and it isn't overturned by the footage:

https://twitter.com/tynelittles/status/1161771286911053824

I'd prefer to just let things go and let the football gods balance out the karma.

The only good thing VAR has brought is a couple of great moments for Spurs v Man City

citytillidie

8-10 wrote: »

Shakhtar and Zenit can't be drawn together.

I would be very surprised if the other 2 aren't kept apart too despite there being no official rule.

And I still think it's bonkers that Ajax can be a pot 2 team, who won their league and were a kick away from last season's final had to navigate 2 qualifying rounds

No procedued to keep Red Star and Zagreb apart

No team can play a club from their own association and, based on decisions taken by the UEFA Executive Committee, clubs from Russia and Ukraine must not be drawn in the same group.

8-10

citytillidie wrote: »

No procedued to keep Red Star and Zagreb apart

No team can play a club from their own association and, based on decisions taken by the UEFA Executive Committee, clubs from Russia and Ukraine must not be drawn in the same group.

Yep that's what I'm saying, but I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't an unofficial desire to keep Red Star and Zagreb apart

On some level I'm convinced there's rigging going on with these things!


Also, despite both teams dominating domestically many times, and despite having 23 European trophies between them (inc 10 European Cups), it's still amazing to me that you have to go back to 1966 for the only time Liverpool have met Ajax in a competitive game.

They came really close last season but for Lucas Moura, would absolutely love to see them meet in the group stages this season after over 50 years without meeting

eigrod

The schedule (European time) https://twitter.com/migueldelaney/status/1167095212797308931?s=21

cj maxx

Draw coming up

Mr.Nice Guy

Cantona's at it again with another 'seagulls' moment. :pac:

cj maxx

Just seen eigrod's post . Another fcuking wait !

Osmosis Jones

The fact that were over half an hour in and they've only drawn Pot 1 is ridiculous, Pot 1 doesn't even matter on its own, it means nothing having one team in each group.

Mr.Nice Guy

Tottenham in with Bayern, Olympiacos and Red Star. I think Poch will be happy enough.

Chelsea get Ajax. Valencia in there as well. Lille in there too. Looks tasty.

Dortmund in with Barca and Inter. Some good ties there. Looking a Group of Death. Slavia Prague there for 4th place.

Benfica in with Zenit. Both will take that. Lyon in too - not bad for Sylvinho. Leipzig added. Looking a very open group.

PSG and Real Madrid! Damn. Some tasty games there. Mbappe will enjoy that. Club Brugge and Galatasaray there too.

Man City get Shakhtar, Dinamo Zagreb. Another very easy draw for Pep. Atalanta added - decent chance for Gasperini to qualify.

Liverpool get Napoli again. Salzburg and Genk in there too. Klopp and Ancelotti will be pleased.

Juve and Atletico again. Bayer Leverkusen added too. Looks a tough group. Lokomotiv Moscow there to make up the numbers.

Utopia Parkway

Waiting on City to draw Cabinteely at some point.

Harry Palmr

Well we know one group of death.

Thidp

Manchester City can put their U19 team to play in this group.

TitianGerm

Thidp wrote: »

Manchester City can put their U19 team to play in this group.

I honestly don't remember a team that ever got such favourable draws in the group stages!!

ERG89

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Waiting on City to draw Cabinteely at some point.

Someone tweeted the other night they'll draw Bury in the league cup

Jelle1880

Slavia Prague representatives started laughing when they saw that :pac:

charolais0153

TitianGerm wrote: »

I honestly don't remember a team that ever got such favourable draws in the group stages!!

Man utd traditionally get the most favourable, u don't have to hk to far back for city to get dortmund and real in a group

Osmosis Jones

TitianGerm wrote: »

I honestly don't remember a team that ever got such favourable draws in the group stages!!

RB Leipzig do very well for themselves too, these are their last two years in Pot 4:

eigrod

TitianGerm wrote: »

I honestly don't remember a team that ever got such favourable draws in the group stages!!

They would qualify from any group, so 2 long away trips is going to be a nuisance.

Liverpool got a great group from a travelling perspective.

TitianGerm

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

RB Leipzig do very well for themselves too, these are their last two years in Pot 4:

Yea that's great draws for them, especially when they are low seeds.

Think Chelsea group is very open. Could see any of them going through but a great chance for Frank to qualify for the knockouts.

Mr.Nice Guy

A lot can happen between now and the ties but if I had to call now who I see advancing:

Group A: Paris Saint-Germain, Real Madrid, Club Brugge, Galatasaray.
Group B: Bayern Munich, Tottenham Hotspur, Olympiacos, Red Star Belgrade.
Group C: Manchester City, Shakhtar Donetsk, Dinamo Zagreb, Atalanta.
Group Juventus, Atletico Madrid, Bayer Leverkusen, Lokomotiv Moscow.
Group E: Liverpool, Napoli, Salzburg, Genk.
Group F: Barcelona, Borussia Dortmund, Internazionale, Slavia Praha.
Group G: Zenit Saint Petersburg, Benfica, Lyon, RB Leipzig.
Group H: Chelsea, Ajax, Valencia, Lille.


Groups D, F, G and H look to me the trickiest to call. I think Leverkusen have the firepower to cause an upset and I'm not sure how Atletico will fare without Griezmann. Will Morata and Felix step up?

Coin toss between Dortmund and Inter. If it were last season I'd strongly favour Dortmund but Conte is a top coach and Lukaku can cause problems. I'd lean slightly for Dortmund due to their attacking threat.

Group G is anyone's guess as all sides are capable of beating one another. Again I'd lean towards Lyon and Leipzig for their attacking talents.

Think Group H is a case of Chelsea and one other. Not convinced about Valencia's chances. Ajax and Lille have both lost big players this summer. I'd give the nod to Ajax for their experience but I think Lille can push them close.