2019-20 UEFA Champions League- SEE Mod Note in OP 15/08/20

Mr.Nice Guy

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Not sure if he's even the best German keeper these days,
One game doesn't put you at bestin the world

Hardly one game. You think Ter Stegen is ahead of him after the 8-2 result?

ERG89

I'd say PSG's owner wanted to kick the crutches from in under Tuchel there.

Not looking forward to Rummenigge and co. who skulk around Bayern no doubt making me pity PSG the next few days as they run their mouths like they often do.

fyfe79

Sexy Neymar tears

Turtyturd

Neymar doing a good job of turning the presentation into ‘The Neymar Show’

DVDM93

& Neymar STILL crying.

Cookiemunster

smelly sock wrote: »

Agreed. Much better that Adidas and the other multi billionaire ownes of Bayern winning it.

75% of the shares are held by the club (ie fan owned). Adidas, Audi and Allianz own 25% of the club between them. But yeah, multi billionaire owners.

Agent Coulson

Always great to see Neymar in tears after losing, He is just so unlikable for the talent he has.

The only trophy Brazil won during his time was when he wasn't in the squad.

8-10

smelly sock wrote: »

Dont really understand it myself tbh. All clubs who want to win the CLare backed by money. They buy it really. Bayern are no different.

All professional clubs in world football are backed by money...not all are effectively state owned though

Not sure if you can tell the difference

8-10

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Hardly one game. You think Ter Stegen is ahead of him after the 8-2 result?

Karius

Garzorico

eigrod wrote: »

For all the money parachuted in to City, PSG and others, it’s still been the traditional winners, Real, Barca, Bayern & Liverpool over the last 8 seasons.

Yes, paupers one and all.

Corholio

You'd swear the likes of Real, Barca and Liverpool are plucky underdogs who don't spend money the way some go on about taken over teams. Some act as if their clubs are owned by a charity sect of nuns :P

8-10

Garzorico wrote: »

Yes, paupers one and all.

I think the point is those teams have been winning multiple titles over 50 years and are still the teams winning today no matter how much money people outspend them buy to compete.

PSG and Man City not winning this competition is a good thing for me.

smelly sock

8-10 wrote: »

All professional clubs in world football are backed by money...not all are effectively state owned though

Not sure if you can tell the difference

LOL. Money is money and success is bought. Where the money comes from has no relevance.

crushproof

Muller would be some craic on a night out I'd say.

Cookiemunster

Corholio wrote: »

You'd swear the likes of Real, Barca and Liverpool are plucky underdogs who don't spend money the way some go on about taken over teams. Some act as if their clubs are owned by a charity sect of nuns :P

Those clubs you mentioned made their money by building their clubs over decades to become what they are today. If you can't see they difference between them and the likes of PSG and City then there's something wrong.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Corholio wrote: »

You'd swear the likes of Real, Barca and Liverpool are plucky underdogs who don't spend money the way some go on about taken over teams. Some act as if their clubs are owned by a charity sect of nuns :P

You really cant see the difference?
Escobar owned a football club. Do you just see that as “money”?
Are people so blind?

cj maxx

Disappointing final . Bayern did a job on them in midfield and PSG‘S front 3 didn’t turn up in the 2nd half. Neuers saves were more PSG misses.

fyfe79

smelly sock wrote: »

LOL. Money is money and success is bought. Where the money comes from has no relevance.

Not true.

8-10

smelly sock wrote: »

LOL. Money is money and success is bought. Where the money comes from has no relevance.

My point is that trying to use money as a shortcut to success isn't making it a level playing field.

Maybe City or PSG will win it next year but this time around you have to hand it to the club who are fan owned and have been winning this competition for decades even when there was a miniscule fraction of the money in their team.

The oil teams lost.

Agent Coulson

Mbappe choked big time as well.

greendom

Agent Coulson wrote: »

PSG players want to see their names in lights not the teams that is the difference the Munich players play for the team.

Don't agree with that. Their work effort was equal to Bayern

Garzorico

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Those clubs you mentioned made their money by building their clubs over decades to become what they are today. If you can't see they difference between them and the likes of PSG and City then there's something wrong.

Rubbish - money is money no matter how it arrives in the coffers.

Mr.Nice Guy

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Always great to see Neymar in tears after losing, He is just so unlikable for the talent he has.

The only trophy Brazil won during his time was when he wasn't in the squad.

He scored the crucial spot kick to help Brazil win Olympic Gold against Germany.

Weird to suggest Brazil are somehow better off without him when he is only 5 goals behind Ronaldo in their all-time scoring charts, and 20 behind Pele. And he's still 28 years old.

8-10

Garzorico wrote: »

Rubbish - money is money no matter how it arrives in the coffers.

And the team who spent less, won

Cookiemunster

Garzorico wrote: »

Rubbish - money is money no matter how it arrives in the coffers.

Well I'd prefer it not to arrive in the coffers from national wealth funds of states with very very dodgy human rights records.

But that's just me.

greendom

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Mbappe choked big time as well.

At 21 maybe too much is being put on his shoulders. His time will come

yourdeadwright

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Hardly one game. You think Ter Stegen is ahead of him after the 8-2 result?

I do think Ter Stegen is a better keeper these days regardless of the 8-2

Garzorico

8-10 wrote: »

My point is that trying to use money as a shortcut to success isn't making it a level playing field.

Maybe City or PSG will win it next year but this time around you have to hand it to the club who are fan owned and have been winning this competition for decades even when there was a miniscule fraction of the money in their team.

The oil teams lost.

In fairness competitions are won with good players/teams/managers/luck (Chelsea 2012, Porto 04,Liverpool 05 etc etc) regardless of the money spent.

Agent Coulson

greendom wrote: »

At 21 maybe too much is being put on his shoulders. His time will come

No doubt.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Well I'd prefer it not to arrive in the coffers from national wealth funds of states with very very dodgy human rights records.

But that's just me.

If you don’t have a moral compass, then money is just “money”. You can’t educate those who want to remain ignorant.

Corholio

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Those clubs you mentioned made their money by building their clubs over decades to become what they are today. If you can't see they difference between them and the likes of PSG and City then there's something wrong.

Are Real's and Barca's money 'clean' do you think? Cos I'm guessing thats what its about, otherwise what is it? Clubs are taken over all the time and new owners come in, it's happened to Liverpool, Utd, Chelsea etc. I understand the whole 'Saudi/Qatar' resistance of course, but there's specifically nothing wrong with clubs been taken over and being successful. The clubs you say have been 'built' have been built with money anyway too, it's not from some magical element. Look deep enough in any huge business and see how morals kick in then.

Top clubs do everything they can to not let anyone else in and it's ridiculous, a lot of those teams who have bern 'built' just got there first before all these regulations were closed off.

smelly sock

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Those clubs you mentioned made their money by building their clubs over decades to become what they are today. If you can't see they difference between them and the likes of PSG and City then there's something wrong.

PSG andCe,feesftRoy

Father Hernandez

smelly sock wrote: »

PSG andCe,feesftRoy

Couldn't agree more.

Garzorico

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Well I'd prefer it not to arrive in the coffers from national wealth funds of states with very very dodgy human rights records.

But that's just me.

Is it cold up on your high horse? You just watched one of those teams on the box tonight which in turn means you have contributed (directly or indirectly) to their wealth. And it’s not just you there’s billions of us.

ConcertKing

It's bad enough PSG didn't get a penalty for the blatant foul on Mbappe but the fact that VAR didn't even look at it is beyond a joke!

greendom

8-10 wrote: »

I think the point is those teams have been winning multiple titles over 50 years and are still the teams winning today no matter how much money people outspend them buy to compete.

PSG and Man City not winning this competition is a good thing for me.

Do they outspend them though? Barca and Real Madrid's spend + wage bill can't be mech different to that of PSG or City over the last 10 years.

Bayern Munich is different. They seemed to have developed a system where all the best Bundesliga players end up there, generally without paying too much for them. Good system, it certainly works for them.

Agent Coulson

ConcertKing wrote: »

It's bad enough PSG didn't get a penalty for the blatant foul on Mbappe but the fact that VAR didn't even look at it is beyond a joke!

Same with the Munich penalty a blatant one as well.

So at least the ref and VAR were consistent.

Garzorico

8-10 wrote: »

And the team who spent less, won

So what?

yourdeadwright

Garzorico wrote: »

Is it cold up on your high horse? You just watched one of those teams on the box tonight which in turn means you have contributed (directly or indirectly) to their wealth. And it’s not just you there’s billions of us.

That's not correct, from watching Virgín media you have not put money into PSG pocket?
How do you make that out?

Cookiemunster

Corholio wrote: »

Are Real's and Barca's money 'clean' do you think? Cos I'm guessing thats what its about, otherwise what is it? Clubs are taken over all the time and new owners come in, it's happened to Liverpool, Utd, Chelsea etc. I understand the whole 'Saudi/Qatar' resistance of course, but there's specifically nothing wrong with clubs been taken over and being successful. The clubs you say have been 'built' have been built with money anyway too, it's not from some magical element. Look deep enough in any huge business and see how morals kick in then.

Top clubs do everything they can to not let anyone else in and it's ridiculous, a lot of those teams who have bern 'built' just got there first before all these regulations were closed off.

Real and Barca are 100% fan owned clubs. They cannot be sold to private investors.

gormdubhgorm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Those clubs you mentioned made their money by building their clubs over decades to become what they are today. If you can't see they difference between them and the likes of PSG and City then there's something wrong.

But Liverpool had to bring in a rich yank, owner to rebuild thier club. City have been rebuilding thier club for a little bit longer but were massive in the 60's.
The point is moot anyway because Irish Eng PL soccer fans pick a team who was winning when they were 10yo. Nothing to with heritage, tradition kids like success. Can normally guess the age of an Irish Eng PL supporter by the team they support.

Also the people who give out about Qatar/Human Rights and so on. Do such people giving out think about it how/when thier smartphone or runners are made in China?
Pure hypocrisy imo. Where and how are football shirts made etc?

8-10

Garzorico wrote: »

Is it cold up on your high horse? You just watched one of those teams on the box tonight which in turn means you have contributed (directly or indirectly) to their wealth. And it’s not just you there’s billions of us.

If you think they spend 222 MILLION in a single transfer because of TV money I don't know what to say to you.

To say PSG are basically the same as any other top club is ignoring the realities of how clubs are really financed.

Just because loads of the top clubs have healthy commercial operations and are well backed doesn't mean that they're on a level playing field financially with the oil clubs.

ConcertKing

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Same with the Munich penalty a blatant one as well.

So at least the ref and VAR were consistent.

Not a hope was that clearcut and it was no penalty in my eyes!

But each to their own!

Garzorico

greendom wrote: »

Do they outspend them though? Barca and Real Madrid's spend + wage bill can't be mech different to that of PSG or City over the last 10 years.

Bayern Munich is different. They seemed to have developed a system where all the best Bundesliga players end up there, generally without paying too much for them. Good system, it certainly works for them.

Do they not hoover up all the talent in the bundesliga every year as they can outspend every other bundesliga team? It’s all relative. Granted they do need to turn them into a good team but hardly some sort of magical system.

Corholio

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Real and Barca are 100% fan owned clubs. They cannot be sold to private investors.

I didn't mention that at all about those, specifically so if you noticed. I asked if the money is 'clean'? All the directors there are tip, top human beings?

gormdubhgorm

I thought Canadian's only played Hockey.

Garzorico

yourdeadwright wrote: »

That's not correct, from watching Virgín media you have not put money into PSG pocket?
How do you make that out?

Where do you think the prize money comes from? TV money. Virgin media doesn’t get to broadcast it for free - they pay for the rights. Do you close your eyes when the ads/interviews come on? I bet you can name 5 brands that sponsor the CL. We all can.

gormdubhgorm

Corholio wrote: »

I didn't mention that at all about those, specifically so if you noticed. I asked if the money is 'clean'? All the directors there are tip, top human beings?

Exactly, people only want to see what they want to see. Real were Franco's club historically for example, and the Spanish state helped them buy Di Stefano. Which kicked off the whole club.

Agent Coulson

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I thought Canadian's only played Hockey.

His Canadian girlfriend is playing in the women's CL semi final tomorrow for PSG.

Garzorico

8-10 wrote: »

If you think they spend 222 MILLION in a single transfer because of TV money I don't know what to say to you.

To say PSG are basically the same as any other top club is ignoring the realities of how clubs are really financed.

Just because loads of the top clubs have healthy commercial operations and are well backed doesn't mean that they're on a level playing field financially with the oil clubs.

I dare say no club has healthy commercial operations. I’d say they are all up to their eyeballs in debt. All of em.