2019-20 UEFA Champions League- SEE Mod Note in OP 15/08/20

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Corholio wrote: »

I didn't mention that at all about those, specifically so if you noticed. I asked if the money is 'clean'? All the directors there are tip, top human beings?

Calling state-sponsored oil clubs out and not wanting them to succeed doesn't mean absolving other clubs from criticism with dodgy deals, shady tax practices and creative accounting.

But some of us can see the differences, others can't.

Cookiemunster

Garzorico wrote: »

Do they not hoover up all the talent in the bundesliga every year as they can outspend every other bundesliga team? It’s all relative. Granted they do need to turn them into a good team but hardly some sort of magical system.

Mainly they get starlets to run down their contracts and pick them up on free transfers. They also promote from the academy. Their record signing from the BL is around €35m.

yourdeadwright

8-10 wrote: »

If you think they spend 222 MILLION in a single transfer because of TV money I don't know what to say to you.

To say PSG are basically the same as any other top club is ignoring the realities of how clubs are really financed.

Just because loads of the top clubs have healthy commercial operations and are well backed doesn't mean that they're on a level playing field financially with the oil clubs.

Garzorico wrote: »

Where do you think the prize money comes from? TV money. Virgin media doesn’t get to broadcast it for free - they pay for the rights. Do you close your eyes when the ads/interviews come on? I bet you can name 5 brands that sponsor the CL. We all can.

I streamed it :cool:

The TV rights are pre paid before the ball is kicked
So weather you watched it or not tonight there getring the same money

Corholio

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Exactly, people only want to see what they want to see. Real were Franco's club historically for example and the Spanish state helped them buy Di Steffano. Which kicked off the whole club.

I'm not doubting the dark morals of clubs being owned by Saudi's etc, wouldn't wish any clubs to win when held by those. But the halo waving by some clubs fans is a little hilarious as if their club is the bastion of morality in all aspects.

DVDM93

https://twitter.com/brfootball/status/1297590926127370243?s=20

https://twitter.com/MirrorFootball/status/1297645411025457157?s=20

Corholio

8-10 wrote: »

Calling state-sponsored oil clubs out and not wanting them to succeed doesn't mean absolving other clubs from criticism with dodgy deals, shady tax practices and creative accounting.

But some of us can see the differences, others can't.

Who are the others that can't? You're arguing a different thing than what I am talking about. Is it ok for some clubs to win then because they are 'less evil'?

8-10

Virgin Media just did a segment on Thiago

He had a really good game I though and has been excellent in the latter stages of the competition.

Sounds like Bayern are letting him go with a year still left on his contract.

If a team like Liverpool or Man City can sign him it would be a huge signing I reckon.

ittakestwo

Good to see Bayern win. Thet are the best side in Europe so deserve it.

greendom

Garzorico wrote: »

Do they not hoover up all the talent in the bundesliga every year as they can outspend every other bundesliga team? It’s all relative. Granted they do need to turn them into a good team but hardly some sort of magical system.

I was being a tad sarcastic.

Agent Coulson

Roberto Martinez on CBS thinks Neymar and Mbappe will leave PSG.

giveitholly

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Roberto Martinez on CBS thinks Neymar and Mbappe will leave PSG.

Who can afford them?

BorneTobyWilde

Ronaldo has scored the most goals against Manuel Neuer, yet never played in the Bundesliga.

TitianGerm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Roberto Martinez on CBS thinks Neymar and Mbappe will leave PSG.

PSG won't sell them for less than they paid so it'll take both of them running down their contracts to actually get out.

8-10

Corholio wrote: »

Who are the others that can't? You're arguing a different thing than what I am talking about. Is it ok for some clubs to win then because they are 'less evil'?

I had no desire at the start of the season to see Bayern win, I dislike them in general within Germany and there's a bunch of teams I'd prefer to win the Bundesliga than them.

But given what PSG have done to get where they are, where their funding has come from and particularly the 222m transfer they paid which is still comfortably a record, I'm very glad that they didn't win. Yes I think it's a lot more OK for Bayern to win, a PSG win legitimises their model which could encourage more oil money coming into the European leagues which I think is a bad thing.

And yes, I accept that this is a lesser of 2 evils situation - in a 2 horse race like tonight why wouldn't you want the less evil team to win?

Shanotheslayer

8-10 wrote: »

And yes, I accept that this is a lesser of 2 evils situation - in a 2 horse race like tonight why wouldn't you want the less evil team to win?

Personally just want the the team that plays better football to win

BorneTobyWilde

Ronaldo as a baby

https://twitter.com/nocontextfooty/status/1297483512812122112

DVDM93

you love to see it.

https://twitter.com/BarcaTimes/status/1297652135358869505?s=20

Corholio

8-10 wrote: »

I had no desire at the start of the season to see Bayern win, I dislike them in general within Germany and there's a bunch of teams I'd prefer to win the Bundesliga than them.

But given what PSG have done to get where they are, where their funding has come from and particularly the 222m transfer they paid which is still comfortably a record, I'm very glad that they didn't win. Yes I think it's a lot more OK for Bayern to win, a PSG win legitimises their model which could encourage more oil money coming into the European leagues which I think is a bad thing.

And yes, I accept that this is a lesser of 2 evils situation - in a 2 horse race like tonight why wouldn't you want the less evil team to win?

Yes, but my initial point was about fans championing their teams above their realistic and actual moral station. I already mentioned that the Saudi links are very dark and certainly wouldn't want that to come to a successful result. It's not the criticising of this was my point, it was the 'we're not oil baron owned teams, so we're ok' type stuff that gets mentioned.

I don't think winning or losing would affect oil money coming in if they really wanted though unfortunately. Many, many clubs across Europe fluctuate in success terms and are ripe for takeover at any given point in a season.

Cookiemunster

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Well I'd prefer it not to arrive in the coffers from national wealth funds of states with very very dodgy human rights records.

But that's just me.

Ummmmmm.

You can say anything about players or owners but you can't talk about Human Rights records...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114286788&postcount=4393

Garzorico

greendom wrote: »

I was being a tad sarcastic.

So was I....ahem. 👀

ERG89

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Roberto Martinez on CBS thinks Neymar and Mbappe will leave PSG.

The lad that used to manage Everton?

The two most expensive players ever leaving in the very summer that no clubs have enough money to buy either of them???

8-10

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Personally just want the the team that plays better football to win

Yeah I'm sure you were delighted Spurs lost last year's final because they played the worse brand.

We all have a bias unless we know nothing about the teams involved

Shanotheslayer

8-10 wrote: »

Yeah I'm sure you were delighted Spurs lost last year's final because they played the worse brand.

You weren't talking about that game. My point was in referencing to the game you were talking about...

8-10

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

You weren't talking about that game. My point was in referencing to the game you were talking about...

My apologies, I thought you meant in general that's your policy.

Yep loads of people I'm sure didn't care who won tonight. Really I'm just glad Lyon didn't win out of the semi finalists so this was just a bonus.

But I can't hide that I'm not happy that PSG lost. Even in footballing terms I've seen both PSG and Bayern play live in the past 2 seasons and I really didn't like PSG's style.

Agent Coulson

ERG89 wrote: »

The lad that used to manage Everton?

The two most expensive players ever leaving in the very summer that no clubs have enough money to buy either of them???

The manager of the number 1 ranked national team in the world.

Shanotheslayer

8-10 wrote: »

My apologies, I thought you meant in general that's your policy.

Generally it is, excluding Liverpool but I would always say who I think played better football deserving the win i.e Spurs V Liverpool last year.

When it comes to the extra stuff in football I don't look much into it and have limited knowledge on it to discuss in detail

Fitz*

Thought it was a largely poor final, especially up until the 65ish minute. There was a lot of pre match hype and it failed to deliver. Not that Bayern will care any bit as their name is on the trophy and they are celebrating now. They had a terrific return to play after COVID.

Just like last year, beating Barca in the semi final was the standout win and game for the winners. Semi final for entertainment and final for winning!

MisterAnarchy

Fitz* wrote: »

to play after COVID.

Just like last year, beating Barca in the semi final was the standout win and game for the winners. Semi final for entertainment and final for winning!

Quarter final.

greendom

Fitz* wrote: »

Thought it was a largely poor final, especially up until the 65ish minute. There was a lot of pre match hype and it failed to deliver. Not that Bayern will care any bit as their name is on the trophy and they are celebrating now. They had a terrific return to play after COVID.

Just like last year, beating Barca in the semi final was the standout win and game for the winners. Semi final for entertainment and final for winning!

I thought the first half was excellent. The first 20 minutes of the second half were very poor and then Bayern managed to find a goal. PSG got even worse after that and Bayern weren't much better but they didn't need to be.

Overall disappointing especially considering how promising the first half had been. Bayern deserved winners though

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

munstermagic11 wrote: »

You really cant see the difference?
Escobar owned a football club. Do you just see that as “money”?
Are people so blind?

He didn't actually. He just illegally laundered money through the club.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

He didn't actually. He just illegally laundered money through the club.

Publicly no, but you trying telling the Medellin Cartel that back then! He called the shots.