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Deauville question.

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  • 10-06-2019 9:32pm
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    cococoady
    Registered Users Posts: 963 ✭✭✭


    Just noticed today that when I open the throttle to push on that the rev counter shoots up and theres a roar from the bike, kinda like when you rev the bike when in neutral. Any ideas what this may be?


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    honda boi
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    Sounds like your clutch is slipping


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    cococoady
    Registered Users Posts: 963 ✭✭✭cococoady


    honda boi wrote: »
    Sounds like your clutch is slipping

    Any idea if that's a big problem?


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    CJhaughey
    Registered Users Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    It could be slipping from wear or from improper adjustment.
    On the clutch lever there will be a barrel adjuster where the cable meets the lever, loosen this and wind it in a few turns so the lever has about 1cm of slack at the end back and forth before the cable starts to tighten.
    Lock it back up and see if it is any better, as the clutch warms up the plates expand and reduce the free play in the cable, too tight and the clutch will slip.

    If its only plates that are worn then its not that big a job to replace them but these bikes have a slightly unusual clutch setup which needs to be assembled correctly with a half width plate in the clutch which they call a judder spring.
    http://robdavistelford.co.uk/webspace/deauville/service-manuals/650-parts-list.pdf

    http://robdavistelford.co.uk/webspace/deauville/clutch-area-inside/


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    zubair
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    CJ has it covered there for you, should be ok with the cable adjusted but could be on the way out. Make sure the cable routing is clear and that it's not snagged on anything.


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    cococoady
    Registered Users Posts: 963 ✭✭✭cococoady


    Cheers folks, will give it a go and see


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    GrumpyMe
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    cococoady wrote: »
    Just noticed today that when I open the throttle to push on that the rev counter shoots up and theres a roar from the bike, kinda like when you rev the bike when in neutral. Any ideas what this may be?
    Did it coincide with an oil change?


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    cococoady
    Registered Users Posts: 963 ✭✭✭cococoady


    I adjusted the clutch lever and that seems to have done the trick. Although the adjustment is now at the lowest point it can go so a new cable might be needed soon.


    GrumpyMe wrote: »
    Did it coincide with an oil change?

    Yeah there was recently.


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    GrumpyMe
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    Wrong oil could possibly affect clutch


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    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    cococoady wrote: »
    I adjusted the clutch lever and that seems to have done the trick. Although the adjustment is now at the lowest point it can go so a new cable might be needed soon.





    Yeah there was recently.

    Did you use a specific motorcycle oil, or something else ? Std car oil doesn't work, and affects the clutch plates.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    Wonda-Boy
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    If you are getting a new clutch cable, a good tip is to get two fitted at the one time (obviously not trying to connect BOTH!) so when the time comes for another new cable the other one is sitting there cable tied and ready to just be connected and no routing needed.

    Save money instead of dropping it off at a dealer etc.

    Just a taught. I have done this in the past and while it only saved me once in about 5 yrs it worked when mine snapped on a motorway and was a godsend when it did.


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    zubair
    Registered Users Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭zubair


    Wonda-Boy wrote: »
    Just a taught. I have done this in the past and while it only saved me once in about 5 yrs it worked when mine snapped on a motorway and was a godsend when it did.

    Hi five your 5 year ago self!


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    cococoady
    Registered Users Posts: 963 ✭✭✭cococoady


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Did you use a specific motorcycle oil, or something else ? Std car oil doesn't work, and affects the clutch plates.

    I'm not sure as it was done by someone else. I'll see how the cable adjustment goes before looking into the oil. Thanks for all the help, appreciated


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    zubair
    Registered Users Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭zubair


    cococoady wrote: »
    I'm not sure as it was done by someone else. I'll see how the cable adjustment goes before looking into the oil. Thanks for all the help, appreciated

    Do another oil change just in case... And buy the oil yourself. Otherwise you've only got a temporary fix and no adjustment left in the cable.


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    cococoady
    Registered Users Posts: 963 ✭✭✭cococoady


    zubair wrote: »
    Do another oil change just in case... And buy the oil yourself. Otherwise you've only got a temporary fix and no adjustment left in the cable.

    Any idea what the correct oil would be to use? Didn't drive the bike all weekend as was away and today I noticed smoke coming out of the exhaust and the bike wasn't sounding the best, sputtering and cutting out.

    From looking it up it seems that too much oil or the wrong oil can do this.


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    zubair
    Registered Users Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭zubair


    More often it's a sign of too much oil but with the clutch slipping it could well be the wrong type, did a mechanic do the oil change or a mate? Can you do the oil change yourself to give yourself piece of mind that it's done right?


    I've used this on every bike I've owned and never had a problem or had clutch slip. It's suitable for your bike. Cheaper than the other brands too.

    https://www.halfords.ie/motoring/motorcycling/motorcycle-oils/halfords-motorcycle-engine-oil-part-synthetic-10w-40-5ltr


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    cococoady
    Registered Users Posts: 963 ✭✭✭cococoady


    zubair wrote: »
    More often it's a sign of too much oil but with the clutch slipping it could well be the wrong type, did a mechanic do the oil change or a mate? Can you do the oil change yourself to give yourself piece of mind that it's done right?


    I've used this on every bike I've owned and never had a problem or had clutch slip. It's suitable for your bike. Cheaper than the other brands too.

    https://www.halfords.ie/motoring/motorcycling/motorcycle-oils/halfords-motorcycle-engine-oil-part-synthetic-10w-40-5ltr

    Wasn't a mechanic, a friend of a friend done it. Should I pick up a new filter aswell or would the new one put in recently be ok?


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    zubair
    Registered Users Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭zubair


    cococoady wrote: »
    Wasn't a mechanic, a friend of a friend done it. Should I pick up a new filter aswell or would the new one put in recently be ok?

    It should be fine. Only thing i would be worried about is the small amoumt of old oil sitting in it but it probably won't make a difference. If it was me I'd leave the filter and see if the oil change helps.

    It's not a hard job to do yourself. Check YouTube, there'll be loads of guides online.


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    cococoady
    Registered Users Posts: 963 ✭✭✭cococoady


    All going well in regards to clutch slipping and smoke from exhaust last few days but now I can't get the neutral light to come on, meaning I can't start the bike. Any ideas as me head is gone now haha


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    CJhaughey
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    cococoady wrote: »
    All going well in regards to clutch slipping and smoke from exhaust last few days but now I can't get the neutral light to come on, meaning I can't start the bike. Any ideas as me head is gone now haha

    Check clutch switch and side stand switch, if either of these are bad you won’t be able to start it. Also check kill switch while you are there.


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    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,915 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    CJhaughey wrote: »
    Check clutch switch and side stand switch, if either of these are bad you won’t be able to start it. Also check kill switch while you are there.

    Neither of these would impact the neutral light though....

    Are you sure you are in neutral gear. ?


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    cococoady
    Registered Users Posts: 963 ✭✭✭cococoady


    listermint wrote: »
    Neither of these would impact the neutral light though....

    Are you sure you are in neutral gear. ?

    Yeah it's in neutral, bike moves freely when I push it.


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    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,915 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    cococoady wrote: »
    Yeah it's in neutral, bike moves freely when I push it.

    Seems like a wiring fault then you have to check the switches on that side of the bike..might be something chaffed cut or points are dirty.


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    CJhaughey
    Registered Users Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    Could just be the neutral light bulb as well? The switch is easy enough to test. Don’t use any power to tighten it in again if you remove it. The thread is very fine and strips easily.


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    zubair
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    You can start it with clutch in and stand up. I'd spin it down the road after I got it going to see if it fixes itself.


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    Interceptor
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    cococoady wrote: »
    All going well in regards to clutch slipping and smoke from exhaust last few days but now I can't get the neutral light to come on, meaning I can't start the bike. Any ideas as me head is gone now haha

    Check the killswitch is in the correct position - not getting a neutral light when the bike is in neutral is just weird.


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    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,709 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I've never heard of a bike where the neutral switch was part of the starter circuit.

    If the bike stalls in traffic you need to be able to restart it straight away, not fumble around trying to find neutral.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    cococoady
    Registered Users Posts: 963 ✭✭✭cococoady


    zubair wrote: »
    You can start it with clutch in and stand up. I'd spin it down the road after I got it going to see if it fixes itself.

    I tried that but it won't start like that. Strange as I thought it would myself.


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    cococoady
    Registered Users Posts: 963 ✭✭✭cococoady


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    I've never heard of a bike where the neutral switch was part of the starter circuit.

    If the bike stalls in traffic you need to be able to restart it straight away, not fumble around trying to find neutral.

    I thought the same myself tbh. Strange one.


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    macplaxton
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    Check the kill switch. Check the fuses. Check the ignition is coming on (other lights coming on).

    If the neutral switch/wiring/bulb circuit is out, it won't start unless the side stand is up and the clutch lever is pulled in.

    48111468118_ecde35b32b_c.jpg
    Screenshot_20190623_031647 by macplaxton, on Flickr

    When you put the ignition on do your hear the fuel pump operating for a second or two?


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    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    macplaxton wrote: »
    Check the kill switch. Check the fuses. Check the ignition is coming on (other lights coming on).

    If the neutral switch/wiring/bulb circuit is out, it won't start unless the side stand is up and the clutch lever is pulled in.

    48111468118_ecde35b32b_c.jpg
    Screenshot_20190623_031647 by macplaxton, on Flickr

    When you put the ignition on do your hear the fuel pump operating for a second or two?

    Silly thing maybe, but: is the battery flat.....?

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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