Pro14 Season 2019-2020

Burkie1203

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Zebre have already said that they're cancelling all training for the duration.

Would assume Benetton probably in the same boat so would be difficult to see how They can play games in the coming weeks, home or away if they are unable to prep for them. It seems to be getting worse at the moment too so travel will become a problem.

connachta

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Would assume Benetton probably in the same boat so would be difficult to see how They can play games in the coming weeks, home or away if they are unable to prep for them. It seems to be getting worse at the moment too so travel will become a problem.

You asked why when I said there were chances Italian away games would be cancelled too.

Burkie1203

connachta wrote: »

You asked why when I said there were chances Italian away games would be cancelled too.

When?


Edit
Your mixing me up with someone else
That person made his remark before things escalated over the weekend

Burkie1203

Italy have gone nuclear. Army on the streets as major unrest in several prisons too.

Reckon pro14 will announce several more postponements in next few days

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1237116956186161155?s=19

connachta

Burkie1203 wrote: »

When?


Edit
Your mixing me up with someone else
That person made his remark before things escalated over the weekend

She was wrong, you said yourself things are getting worse, But sorry wasn't you

Burkie1203

Flights being suspended now too. Ryanair and Aer Lingus won't be flying to/from Italy until April 4th. That will mean the two games below get PP.

Munster v Benetton
Cardiff v Zebre

Burkie1203

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Flights being suspended now too. Ryanair and Aer Lingus won't be flying to/from Italy until April 4th. That will mean the two games below get PP.

Munster v Benetton
Cardiff v Zebre

Inevitable and probably won't be the last


https://twitter.com/PRO14Official/status/1237380071280836609?s=19

thomond2006

The regular season feels like it's turning into a series of friendlies.

Digifriendly

Cancel the rest of Pro 14 season and give the trophy to Leinster. They're streets ahead anyway.

connachta

Digifriendly wrote: »

Cancel the rest of Pro 14 season and give the trophy to Leinster. They're streets ahead anyway.

We don't care about the winner it's Leinster anyway.
What only matters is who's 6th and 7th (Pro14 play-off and Euro Champions Cup play-off)

Kevski

Hypothetically if the rest of the games in the regular season was to be declared as draws, the knockout stages would look like this:

QF1: Munster v Glasgow
QF2: Ulster v Scarlets

SF1: Leinster v Winner QF1
SF2: Edinburgh v Winner QF2

Champions Cup playoff: Connacht v Cheetahs


Good to see that we’d still be on for the traditional Leinster v Munster semi final in the RDS :P

connachta

Kevski wrote: »

Hypothetically if the rest of the games in the regular season was to be declared as draws, the knockout stages would look like this:

QF1: Munster v Glasgow
QF2: Ulster v Scarlets

SF1: Leinster v Winner QF1
SF2: Edinburgh v Winner QF2

Champions Cup playoff: Connacht v Cheetahs


Good to see that we’d still be on for the traditional Leinster v Munster semi final in the RDS :P

Connacht vs Dragons, Cheetahs don't play european games

Kevski

connachta wrote: »

Connacht vs Dragons, Cheetahs don't play european games

Ah yes :pac:

Burkie1203

More postponements of behind closed doors

Thrashssacre

Season over i reckon.

damianmcr

Thrashssacre wrote: »

Season over i reckon.

Definitely

Kevski

Thrashssacre wrote: »

Season over i reckon.

I’d imagine that a more likely scenario is that draws will be awarded for as much of the remainder of the regular season as is required and then hopefully we’ll be in a position to resume and play the knockout stages. The regular season runs right to the end of May this year with the final being played in late June so there’s a bit more leeway than there would normally be.

Tomtom364

Kevski wrote: »

Hypothetically if the rest of the games in the regular season was to be declared as draws, the knockout stages would look like this:

QF1: Munster v Glasgow
QF2: Ulster v Scarlets

SF1: Leinster v Winner QF1
SF2: Edinburgh v Winner QF2

Champions Cup playoff: Connacht v Cheetahs


Good to see that we’d still be on for the traditional Leinster v Munster semi final in the RDS :P

Can we just get Munster and Edinburgh play their Edinburgh home game behind closed doors... Well you could probly leave it open and just have the crowd spread out nicely with 10 seats between them in murryfield...

Just to settle who tops that conference, I'm sick to death of fecking semi finals against fecking Leinster

Losing to them in the final would be a nice change.

connachta

Kevski wrote: »

I’d imagine that a more likely scenario is that draws will be awarded for as much of the remainder of the regular season as is required and then hopefully we’ll be in a position to resume and play the knockout stages. The regular season runs right to the end of May this year with the final being played in late June so there’s a bit more leeway than there would normally be.

Problem would be to restart before knock-out stages.
The 4 last games are favorable for some and not for others
but more probable regular season if off and we restart in June

Cookiemunster

https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1238133594058633217

Eod100

Yup https://twitter.com/PRO14Official/status/1238137682741649408?s=19

Cookiemunster

Official statement from the Pro 14. Indefinite suspension.

The current Guinness PRO14 season has been suspended in response to the evolving COVID-19 outbreak.

The PRO14 is an international league. Cross border travel is inevitable and that brings with it unique challenges. With governments in Italy and Ireland already putting in place clear directives and restrictions around public activities and travel, the decision to suspend the competition is appropriate. It is in the best interests of everyone that games are not played at this time. The suspension has been directed by the board of Celtic Rugby DAC and will be remain under constant review.

David Jordan, Tournament Director PRO14 Rugby, said: “We have made this decision with everyone’s welfare foremost in our minds. With an evolving situation in the five countries that take part in Guinness PRO14 it is important to make a clear decision that is in keeping with the advice of the various governments involved.”

Resumption of the 2019/20 season will now become a matter of constant review. To this point PRO14 Rugby has ensured that it has the latest information and guidance made available by the local and national authorities via our participating unions in the UK, Ireland, Italy and South Africa.

This will remain the case for the duration of the suspension. This is an unprecedented action for the tournament and as such no end date to the suspension can be provided at this time.

In keeping with our practice during the outbreak, PRO14 Rugby will provide updates on the suspension when more information is available.

Burkie1203

There will be several games that won't ever get played. Beat case scenario is they can resume mid April with games already scheduled and anything before that is 0-0

Fireball81

Only a matter of time before the QF in the Champions Cup gets pulled too (or played behind closed doors).

Anyone know of theres anything in Gordon Darcys article in the Irish Times yesterday saying a provincial team will be (or did he mean could be) in quarantine soon?

connachta

Burkie1203 wrote: »

There will be several games that won't ever get played. Beat case scenario is they can resume mid April with games already scheduled and anything before that is 0-0

That would be a sickener of unfairness
Season over and resume for play offs is the best to offer to clubs


final 8 games are more or less spread between difficult ones and easy ones between everbody
4 last games are not balanced at all

Burkie1203

connachta wrote: »

That would be a sickener of unfairness
Season over and resume for play offs is the best to offer to clubs


final 8 games are more or less spread between difficult ones and easy ones between everbody
4 last games are not balanced at all

Ah would you ever f€ck off with this unfairness sh1te.

Around the world many People are seriously ill, or have died, sports all over the world are having to do this for the greater good and all your worried about is fairness. The single worst area IN Europe is a country that the 4 provinces have direct contact with. The health and well being of everyone is Whats at stake here

There is far more important things in life. Look at Dan Biggars interview regarding Matthew Watkins last weekend for some perspective.

Burkie1203

Fireball81 wrote: »

Only a matter of time before the QF in the Champions Cup gets pulled too (or played behind closed doors).

Anyone know of theres anything in Gordon Darcys article in the Irish Times yesterday saying a provincial team will be (or did he mean could be) in quarantine soon?

Munster were in Italy a few weeks ago Feb 21st

Leinster v Saracens will be in empty stadium (RDS could be used ?) If the European season isnt abandoned

connachta

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Ah would you ever f€ck off with this unfairness sh1te.

Around the world many People are seriously ill, or have died, sports all over the world are having to do this for the greater good and all your worried about is fairness. The single worst area IN Europe is a country that the 4 provinces have direct contact with. The health and well being of everyone is Whats at stake here

There is far more important things in life. Look at Dan Biggars interview regarding Matthew Watkins last weekend for some perspective.

You're fuc**** **** mixing up everthing, again.
I'm not ashamed at all to have reacted to your stupidly unfair idea to start again mid-April.
I do hope financial interests (playing an added few games) does not prevail on sportive fairness (teams wtih easy 3 home games when others have hard opposition)

Burkie1203

connachta wrote: »

You're fuc**** **** mixing up everthing, again.
I'm not ashamed at all to have reacted to your stupidly unfair idea to start again mid-April.
I do hope financial interests (playing an added few games) does not prevail on sportive fairness (teams wtih easy 3 home games when others have hard opposition)

From mid April onwards there is scope to play the last 5 rounds as scheduled. With the Euro SF weekend that is a further round of matches that could be played (where possible).

It is inevitable the pro14 and EPRC will try to salvage what they can from the season. Clubs will want to salvage what they can too.

Life will get back to normal. Whatever cannot be played won't be. That's the reality. You really should just accept that

connachta

Burkie1203 wrote: »

From mid April onwards there is scope to play the last 5 rounds as scheduled. With the Euro SF weekend that is a further round of matches that could be played (where possible).

It is inevitable the pro14 and EPRC will try to salvage what they can from the season. Clubs will want to salvage what they can too.

Life will get back to normal. Whatever cannot be played won't be. That's the reality. You really should just accept that

Clubs will want to salvage what they can too.

Clubs wants to avoid being kicked out of Champions Cup next season too.
That's called fairness




Look, simply look, if as you said, final 5 are played



Connacht would have 3 away hard to win (Treviso+Cardiff+Munster), when Treviso would have 3 winnable home (Connacht, Kings, Zebre)


When cancelled game were winnable for Connacht (Scarlets, Zebre, Glasgow), not for Treviso (Munster twice, Edinburg, away)


That's not slighly unfair. That's 100% unfair. Clubs would finish with 2 MORE away games than other, too. Nonsense. It could even be brought to court IMO


Should be season off, if we can't play behind closed doors. Full spot. Until play-off at least


It will probably anyway. China needed 2 months to open slowly collective events...

connemara man

Burkie and Connachta

Do not derail another thread

connachta

connemara man wrote: »

Burkie and Connachta

Do not derail another thread

Didn't you say it was a Pro14 matter?
But Ok, my point is made anyway

Burkie1203

connachta wrote: »

Clubs will want to salvage what they can too.

Clubs wants to avoid being kicked out of Champions Cup next season too.
That's called fairness




Look, simply look, if as you said, final 5 are played



Connacht would have 3 away hard to win (Treviso+Cardiff+Munster), when Treviso would have 3 winnable home (Connacht, Kings, Zebre)


When cancelled game were winnable for Connacht (Scarlets, Zebre, Glasgow), not for Treviso (Munster twice, Edinburg, away)


That's not slighly unfair. That's 100% unfair. Clubs would finish with 2 MORE away games than other, too. Nonsense. It could even be brought to court IMO


Should be season off, if we can't play behind closed doors. Full spot. Until play-off at least


It will probably anyway. China needed 2 months to open slowly collective events...

Clubs won't be taking anything to court. This is simply out of the control of clubs, competition admins etc.

Whatever happens going forward will be accepted by clubs as there is very little (none) room to do anything else other then what is possible. If this season can resume in Mid April then it will. There will be a load of 0-0 draws as a result.

It's also entirely possible the Italians don't play again this season given the severity of the situation over there.



Edit
Was typing this as mod instruction was issued.

connachta

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Grow up FFS.

Clubs won't be taking anything to court. This is simply out of the control of clubs, competition admins etc. Whatever happens going forward will be accepted by clubs as there is very little (none) room to do anything else other then what is possible. If this season can resume in Mid April then it will. There will be a load of 0-0 draws as a result




It's also entirely possible the Italians don't play again this season given the severity of the situation over there.

You should be banned, for utter nonsense, blindness, and not respecting the warning

connachta

Fact : Football Euro may be adjourned for a year.
Forseen from June the 12th

Burkie1203

FFR suspends all competitions.

https://twitter.com/BernardLaporte_/status/1238370208475160576?s=19

Cookiemunster

My French isn't good enough to read that, but according to Murray Kinsella, that doesn't include the Top14 or ProD2, only amateur and underage rugby. The LNR still have to make the call on the pro rugby.

Burkie1203

Cookiemunster wrote: »

My French isn't good enough to read that, but according to Murray Kinsella, that doesn't include the Top14 or ProD2, only amateur and underage rugby. The LNR still have to make the call on the pro rugby.

That will be made today. Meeting at lunchtime.

Can see the aussie tour getting canned. Esp given the sh1tshow that happened with the F1.

Burkie1203

Interview with Keatley in the Herald yesterday. He is expected to return to Italy over weekend for training on Monday. His wife and kid are back here and he reckons it could be months before he gets to see them again. They are to train in small groups of 6 to 8 players per group and not Interact with the rest of the squad etc.

Burkie1203

The welsh ploughing ahead.

Any chance the pro14 has of finishing rests on decisions made by Boris Johnson. And the final if there is one, wont be in Cardiff IMO

https://twitter.com/BBCSportWales/status/1238399747850932226?s=19

Thrashssacre

Final cancelled, if it goes ahead will be played at the gome venue of the team with the highest points so rds or aviva, not exactly the worst news be great if two Irish teams were envolved.

Exclamation Marc

Thrashssacre wrote: »

Final cancelled, if it goes ahead will be played at the gome venue of the team with the highest points so rds or aviva, not exactly the worst news be great if two Irish teams were envolved.

If (and big if) it does get there and go ahead, it makes an enormous amount of sense. People will be less inclined to travel and best give it a chance of filling up with home fans.

Fireball81

Had final tickets, TM going to process a refund in the next few days.

Had flights, weren't a lot....guess if flights still grounded in June I'll get a refund otherwise down the drain (unless I fancy trip to Bristol).

Sheep Shagger

Had tickets to the final - refund landed back on credit card today.

thelad95

What are the alternatives to playing out the season? Mark remaining results as 0-0 draws and proceed to playoffs?

salmocab

thelad95 wrote: »

What are the alternatives to playing out the season? Mark remaining results as 0-0 draws and proceed to playoffs?

It really depends on if there is time to play anything, they could do that or not finish the season at all. Personally I think it’s most likely done but you just can’t tell until it’s announced.

Squidgy Black

salmocab wrote: »

It really depends on if there is time to play anything, they could do that or not finish the season at all. Personally I think it’s most likely done but you just can’t tell until it’s announced.

The question around not finishing the season is what happens to the Champions Cup and Challenge cup next season in terms of qualifying places etc. Do you just repeat this years competition with the same groups and teams? And then what happens with the likes of Sarries who are being relegated, are they just replaced with the highest finishing English team that isn't already in the competition.

It'll be really fascinating to see what way direction they take overall.

salmocab

Squidgy Black wrote: »

The question around not finishing the season is what happens to the Champions Cup and Challenge cup next season in terms of qualifying places etc. Do you just repeat this years competition with the same groups and teams? And then what happens with the likes of Sarries who are being relegated, are they just replaced with the highest finishing English team that isn't already in the competition.

It'll be really fascinating to see what way direction they take overall.

I’d imagine they’d just use league places based on how each league decided to finish up 0-0 draws or as it stands then. If they needed a winner from a numbers point of view theyd take Leinster as qualified top possibly, that gives pro 14 extra spot and any playoffs could be based on league table or played pre season. It’s a bit of a pain but it’s very doable. Like I said the other day it’s not soccer they won’t be able to bang in a game every 3 days so if they get anything played this summer it will surely be based on importance with pro 14 behind Europe and international.
If I was doing it I’d try and get the 6N finished first up or if they abandon it early enough start next season real early and finish up anything that needs engraving quickly.

El_Duderino 09

Squidgy Black wrote: »

...Do you just repeat this years competition with the same groups and teams? And then what happens with the likes of Sarries who are being relegated, are they just replaced with the highest finishing English team that isn't already in the competition.

It'll be really fascinating to see what way direction they take overall.

That would presumably be Bristol replacing Sarries. Bristol are much improved between big money signings and Pat Lam. They would be a tough challenge for Munster in that group but it takes teams a few seasons to bed into the champions cup. Even good teams underperform their first time in the tournament.

Cookiemunster

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That would presumably be Bristol replacing Sarries. Bristol are much improved between big money signings and Pat Lam. They would be a tough challenge for Munster in that group but it takes teams a few seasons to bed into the champions cup. Even good teams underperform their first time in the tournament.

Munster would also have Snyman and De Alende onboard and Carbery (you'd hope) fit.

Last seasons performances are out the window because squads and possibly coaches would be different.