Clare GAA Discussion - 2024 All Ireland Hurling Champions

windy shepard henderson

Id be surprised if that was the starting 26 let alone the starting 15

Conlon can't get cleared until tomorrow at the earliest, o Donnell and David McInerney will have to go through some sort of fitness tests on the morning of the game

They have trained but how much we don't know, Conor cleary is anyone's guess

keeponhurling

Every time I see Shanagher listed on the bench, I always wonder should we not just throw him in there

If I was the opposition, would I want to see Shanagher starting? Probably not

oppiuy

Could Shanaher play full back.. prob lacks pace but ability in the air would be an asset.

keeponhurling

Huw Lawlor really had Duggan's number last year (in fairness he dominates most forwards), he has no issues with Duggan's physicality.

The other KK backs aren't giants by any means, but Shanagher could get joy off them. Anyways, we'll see. I'm sure we'll see him at some stage of the game.

ch20

Ticketmaster has released more tickets for the game on Sunday. Hogan and upper Cusack tickets now available.

roashter

What injury does David McInerney have, can't remember if it was ever said what kept him out of Dublin game?

Clareman

I thought you had to name the squad in advance do I don't think McCarthy will be available on Sunday

opinionated3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120818063#Comment_120818063

Recurring back spasms I believe but I'm open to correction on that

roashter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120818426#Comment_120818426

I think you are allowed up to 4 replacements on the match day squad if a doctor certifys that someone on match day squad cannot play.

In Munster final, Cian nolan was not on the 26, and replaced cleary that morning

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120818477#Comment_120818477

Quad injury , as in leg injury not falling off a bike like a mate of mine taught last week

It's a soft tissue injury that takes longer to respond after games because he had surgery on a broken leg 2 years ago

McCarthy is probably fine to start Sunday but because of the split season and nature of injury its unlikely he will finish the game given its only 4 weeks since the Limerick game

I reckon he will be clearys replacement on the panel with Morey starting ahead of cleary

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120818951#Comment_120818951

I think the 4 players are McCarthy, Conroy, paddy Donnellan and John coneely on standby

I would be shocked if Adrian Mullen plays Sunday, if he does and has the same impact as last year he is something else with the injury he is carrying,

Walter will probably start for kilkenny too

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120818426#Comment_120818426

You have to name a 26 man Panel with 4 players in reserve incase anything happens anyone on the 26

Liam sheady became Liam shady in Cusack pk in April when decided to name a rugby like 26 man Panel without the positioning

He may have won the day but he didn't win the war🤣

Jizique

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120820966#Comment_120820966

Liam Cahill.

I think Galway footballers messed up v Armagh this year with 2 of their players.

windy shepard henderson

Liam Cahill became Liam cagey I obviously ment to say , all them tipp lads look the same ,🙈 especially on willy Clancy week 😂😂

windy shepard henderson

and then there were 3 !!

only 5 counties other then cork have won the all ireland since jimmy cooney and offaly teamed up together in 1998 😉 . that stat wont change this year but if we want our name engraved in two weeks from sunday we will have to reach top gear early shortly after 4pm tomorrow and drive on from there , no fear from here on out up the banner !!

jimmythesulk

Lohan made a balls of that. That's two days running.

MattressRick

Why didn't Clare run the ball for a while? They couldn't win a high ball for love nor money. It looked unlikely with ten mins left that they'd win enough dirty ball to score even 3 points.

Jizique

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120826572#Comment_120826572

Has to go on Lohan, that is two semis he has blown - plus the munster final with his selection to mark Gillane

Clareman

Completely lost on the sideline, playing a sweeper when Cleary was back but not against Limerick and bringing Reidy on he's miles off the pace. Today was lost on the sideline not on the pitch.

opinionated3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120827413#Comment_120827413

Who would you appoint instead?

tomo75

Was Shanagher carrying a knock? Only introduced in injury time?

Fitz*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120827675#Comment_120827675

(BTW I'm not in the camp of Lohan out, but if there was to be a man to replace him.....)

Edit: and it's not Bertie either 😂

oppiuy

Just back and devastated. When I saw the team news, I was delighted cleary made it and then thought it was a bit of a curve ball playing morey in the forwards.. as soon as I copped we were playing a sweeper (I'm so naive) I was shocked.. can't comment of the ref until I see it back but they have a hard enough job. What I can say is that it's been a great 2 seasons and we just need that something extra to get us over the line in this real big games. TK prob needs a break. Refresh and reset. Maybe evaluate his game and adapt because he is going to be tailed like that in every game now.

Blood the younger guys during league and find a genuine top class free taker

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120827802#Comment_120827802

my taughts exactly , lyons is a really good refferee but looked in a bit of bother early in the second half , what seemed to really rile the clare following was the yellow cards he gave us and didnt give kilkenny , but like you said i would need to watch it back ,

i do also belive there is a bit of a show made at times by our supporters when maybe there should not be towards the referee , its no wonder they used to call the park the "ali sami yen " galatassarey's old stadium

its been two excellent years going up and down the country , the future is bright no need for any rash decision making just yet , today was a cracker , had peter duggan hit the net we could just as easily be facing limerick again in two weeks time, fine margins

Seadin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120827948#Comment_120827948

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evolvingtipperary101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120827802#Comment_120827802

The biggest problem Clare have now, no matter who comes in as manager, is the age of Conlon. He's picking up a lot of injuries. Malone has been around a long time now too in a very taxing position. If those guys start to slide backwards...

Lohan should be given one more year at least anyway. IMO, it's too late for some of the very important players to start again with someone else.

Seriously, what manager is out there that can lead a team to an all-Ireland in year one? This Clare team can only think in trophies now and it should've happened this year. Munster at least.

I think a lot of Clare players are getting better and the team is getting better. But, there's definitely a belief issue there that surfaces in front of goal when it's time to be calm and ruthless - eg. frees and shot selection.

evolvingtipperary101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120827776#Comment_120827776

Twenty years since he first managed Clare? Must be ten years since he managed an inter-county team? Probably better off looking at the under managers coming through?

17togo

I'm sure there will be talk of 'lohan out'. Met a couple of people coming out of the game saying exactly that. But I'd be hoping he stays. The players obviously play for him, and the camp is a tight as it's ever been.

But he does need someone with him that has a good tactical brain. Like kinnerk is for limerick and was for us. That's what's lacking, been able to change the game on the run.

Daly mentioned above, but it's been a while since he managed at intercounty level and the game has changed so much. Does he have that tactical brain? Genuine question. Brilliant motivator obviously. When he managed Dublin and Clare previously the success was more passion and fighting. Man on man style hurling.

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120827997#Comment_120827997

he has a nice cosey number on tv amd a popular podcast , hes probably better off at that now , nice lad what you see on tv is what you get in every day life but not worth it

stick with lohan until next year and his 5 years are up , review it then , terrance fahey will probably be the front runner then he has some job done with the u20s and tulla before them

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120827770#Comment_120827770

he didnt have any great impact when he came on either , no one knows anything behind the secerns , i was talking to a family member of one of the 26 today last friday and she couldnt tell me what was going on at training , lohan deserves credit for that ,even if he dose get tactics wrong at times

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120828003#Comment_120828003

knee jerk reaction , it will linger for the first few rounds of the club championship and disappear , we have a calculated bunch on the county board at the moment they wont do anything rash , the players will vote him in for another year and hopefully today 12 months time we are reversing todays result

evolvingtipperary101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120828007#Comment_120828007

Maybe Lohan might bring in Fahey or O'Connell or both as selectors/coaches next year. New voice, new ideas. Freshen things up. Succession plan too. Let them stay managing the underage teams too. Can't have a big enough coaching set up these days.

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120828032#Comment_120828032

id say he is too loyal to what he has , he is also notoriously stubborn, i agree though because fahey is a top coach but a nobody in the general public , i am sure questions would hang over how he would manage the pressure

i would have no fear of BOC , i know him well enough i worked with him just before he went to Australia in 2008 , he was clare captain at the time and left the panel to travel to the other side of the world , he spent the best part of 12 months outside laboring on building sites even though he was a qualified site engineer

brian o connell dose his own thing regardless of the status que , wihch was huge back then , he earned enough money outside to set up his own buisness when he came back he is more ruthless then lohan in fairness

Figerty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120828080#Comment_120828080

Lohan needs a better backroom team. He needs a Kinnerck to see the changes on the day. Whatever the starting role for Morey, he should have adjusted earlier, At the point where KK were pinging balls into the corner forwards unchallenged we had to change.

We have the forwards to take on any backs, but 5 against 6 backs, and with Kelly moving out left too much space for any 4 forwards to cover. If you draw an accurate team like KK into scoring range, you are going to get hurt. For me, Lohans back room needs to move much faster.

Seadin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120828775#Comment_120828775

Funny thing is Clare had Kinnerck in 2013 when they won the All Ireland, they probably didn't realise how good he was back then. Clare must address their shooting for next season if they are to make the next step up.

Keano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120828775#Comment_120828775

They only got 1-5 from play I believe, and the goal we gifted them.

droppingball

Think Kilkenny got 1 14 from play

roashter

The loss was self inflicted.

Starting sweeper was very costly. I can understand why it was done, but it was evident from early on it was not working and should not have waited until half time to change it.

Individual mistakes particularly the goal really killed us. The goal was just a horror show from both Hayes and Quilligan. Also Hayes gave away a completely needless line ball which proved costly, while Galvin Rodgers got in each others way to miss an almost certain Clare goal.

We had some excellent performances, particularly in O'Donnell, Duggan & Malone, but will be hard to recover from this.

Pogue eile

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120829961#Comment_120829961

I genuinely can't understand at all why it was done, you go 15 on 15 against Limerick but decide to play a sweeper against KK?

And you can't suddenly decide to just play a sweeper, it takes months even years to fine tune it. Morey didn't know what to do, he was lost, he ended up at wing forward at one stage pucking a ball wide and then KK countered straight down the channel where he was supposed to be and scored. People seem to think that playing as a sweeper is easy, shur no one marking you, free to roam around and pick up spare ball, its a far more difficult and technical job than that, look at Waterford when De Burca got injured, they had no one to step in. Going forward if Clare want to play a sweeper then it should be Tony Kelly, firstly he has great vision and he's mobile and has a good hurling brain and more importantly he is too easy to nullify in the forwards. Cathal barrett and Mikey Butler have shown how easy it actually is to nullify him.

Keano

@droppingball you are right.

keeponhurling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120830105#Comment_120830105

Yep, when you put it like that it's very difficult to argue...

cave_dweller

I thought Lohan and co were too slow in making changes, especially when the first half was going so badly. Making changes quicker + getting players to pass the ball rather than shoot on site are Clare's biggest improvement areas. Diarmaid Ryan is a great talent but made a lot of bad decisions and gave the ball away numerous times in the first half which he does in almost every game. Galvin took the ball off Rodgers when he was pulling on it 3 yards from goal.. criminal. Hayes got roasted. In big games, one of the Clare full back line tends to be completely beaten. Flanagan had a lot of joy in the 2022 Munster final, Gillane in 2023 and then Cody yesterday. That needs to be sorted out. With all the mistakes, ye were still there at the end and gave away the goal which proved the difference. Ye are not that far away but really need a Munster title at least next year.

Pogue eile

Unpopular opinion warning!

Lohan is getting away with murder simply because he's not Davy!

Clare lost three Championship matches this year and everyone of them has his fingerprints all over them, from the rookie Goalkeeper against Tipp and the insistence on persevering with the short puckouts, to the corner back fiasco in the Munster Final where he simply refused to admit he was wrong and hung the poor young lad out to dry to the sh*t show with Morey at the weekend. Four years and he is making rookie mistakes like that, and he isn't going to change he's a stubborn fecker, but as I said he's not Davy so some are happy to put up with it.

Rochelle

Watch the last few minutes again to see the impact of not having an expert freetaker, and general inexperience / naivety:

Score is 1-22 to 1-20, 67m16s Hayes is fouled by Reid. Rogers comes way out (for him) to take the free, between his 45 & 65...he takes the free at 68m01s (KK brought on a sub in that time) and it goes well wide, distance was too much.

From the puckout the ball is sent to E Cody who gets an easy point, 68m33s, young Hogan a bit too raw for Cody 1-23 to 1-20

68m52s, David Fitz fouled by P Walsh, scoreable free about 68m out...Rogers takes a quick one on the ground to Ryan over on the sideline and under a bit of pressure. His delivery ends up going out for a 65 from a Duggan effort.

Rogers points the 65 on 70m24s (Clare brought on Shanagher before 65 is taken).

From the puckout, KK work it up to Mullins who flicks it on to Butler, Tony Kelly caught ball watching and let Butler off, end result a point for Cody on 71m10s, 1-24 to 1-21

My point is that it took Clare 2 minutes 21 seconds (from Rogers first and third frees being struck) with a good bit of fluting around in between, while Kilkenny got two relatively easy points (2nd one after MRs second free).

Had there been a clinical free taker to nail the first one and put a point between them, who knows...obviously at that stage fatigue is a factor too, concentration can lapse, but I found that spell very interesting.

keeponhurling

Absolutely Clare need a free-taker who is accurate with 90-100% of the frees. And maybe we'd have won the last 2 Munster titles if we had.

But we simply don't have that. We have tried Tony Kelly, Duggan, Aiden McCarthy and now Rodgers.

Rodgers is probably the best of them, but basically a player like TJ Reid or Joe Canning who converts almost everything is not normal, unfortunately

supernova5

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120834197#Comment_120834197

apart from the part about "young lad" [Nolan is probably 29] cant really disagree with any of that, watching this particular Clare team and the eventual outcomes of real crunch matches over the last number of years is like watching re-runs of Groundhog day, we know what Einstein's definitely of insanity is......

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120834197#Comment_120834197

I think if ye want to progress he has to go. He spends more time giving out about referee's than anything else.

Serious bad calls made by him this year. Simply not tactically estute for modern day hurling

Clareman

For the past few years I've been saying we need a free taker, you need to be scoring everything inside the opponents half and a good chunk of those in your own, having your corner forward on the frees also slows down the whole game plan and gives the opposition a short puck out.

We need cover from 5 to 12, we coped this year but how much more time does Conlon have? We were exposed against Limerick with Cleary being injured, we're nearly at the starge of it being harder to get off the team than on it, Reidy being brought on in an AI Semi Final being a prime example.

Pogue eile

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120836373#Comment_120836373

Tis all relative Super, 29 is awfully young when you are my age! lol I do admit I thought he was younger.

Pogue eile

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120837445#Comment_120837445

I'm not from Clare shocs just making an observation from the outside. I think Lohan would be a great guy and is to have around the training pitch and the dressing room but when making big calls or in play he definitely needs someone more astute and a bit calmer - but would he listen to them? He is a very stubborn man, which isn't always a bad thing but in this instance its holding him and the team back.