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Clare GAA Discussion - 2024 All Ireland Hurling Champions

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    #2402
    supernova5
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    lucky to hold on in the end, if Laois had used the ball more wisely it would have been bye bye Clare


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    #2403
    global23214124
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    Too close at the end there. another couple of minutes and we were gone.


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    #2404
    letowski
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    Were going to be down our captain too for the next match, either against Wexford or Tipperary.

    Hard to see this team going far.


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    #2405
    BloodyBill
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    global23214124 wrote: »
    Too close at the end there. another couple of minutes and we were gone.

    Would have been better to bow out today. Some mess of a performance. Where to start rebuilding after that shambles. McCarthy centre back,the great white hope turns out to not be the answer ..some atrocious deliveries and turning into unnecessary contact time and time again.
    The much maligned Malone was good..Shanagher was good overall. Kelly was good in patches...Morey nit bad. Everybody else wouldn't look out of place playing a Junior A match In Tulla.


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    #2406
    keeponhurling
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    Anybody have any idea what McInerney did ?

    Similar to the Limerick game, we completely fell apart in the last 10 mins, lost all shape.

    Don’t think anyone will give us much chance in the next game v Tipp or Wexford .

    Whenever Laois ran at us, it created chaos


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    #2407
    Billy Ocean
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    keeponhurling wrote: »
    Anybody have any idea what McInerney did ?

    Similar to the Limerick game, we completely fell apart in the last 10 mins, lost all shape.

    Don’t think anyone will give us much chance in the next game v Tipp or Wexford .

    Whenever Laois ran at us, it created chaos
    ye can draw cork or Dublin too


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    #2408
    Clareman
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    keeponhurling wrote: »
    Anybody have any idea what McInerney did ?

    Similar to the Limerick game, we completely fell apart in the last 10 mins, lost all shape.

    Don’t think anyone will give us much chance in the next game v Tipp or Wexford .

    Whenever Laois ran at us, it created chaos
    Of the ball strike, I think the Laois fella gave him a tap and he turned around and belted him.


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    #2409
    keeponhurling
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    Clareman wrote: »
    Of the ball strike, I think the Laois fella gave him a tap and he turned around and belted him.

    Pure stupidity so


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    #2410
    letowski
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    Just on a side note, it's worth noting that Cathal Malone, often a much criticized player for Clare, has emerge these past two years as an important player for us. He was our best player today, outside of Kelly and scored 2 points at the start of the second half to settle us down after Laois goaled. He is now one of the first players on the team sheet now.


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    #2411
    Feenie
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    to be honest the only player I would have singled out for a bad performance was David Reidy, but it's due to the poor lads size profile. He shouldn't start the next day and shouldn't have started today either.
    overall match performances won't count if we lose all shape in the last ten like we did today. Brian needs to work on this teams fitness and time the introduction of his subs better.


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    #2412
    Figerty
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    letowski wrote: »
    Just on a side note, it's worth noting that Cathal Malone, often a much criticized player for Clare, has emerge these past two years as an important player for us. He was our best player today, outside of Kelly and scored 2 points at the start of the second half to settle us down after Laois goaled. He is now one of the first players on the team sheet now.

    Malone is an honest player and gives it all. The only issue with hims is that it very often depends on who he is marking.Against better hurlers he fades, but that is no disrespect to him.


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    #2413
    Figerty
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    Feenie wrote: »
    to be honest the only player I would have singled out for a bad performance was David Reidy, but it's due to the poor lads size profile. He shouldn't start the next day and shouldn't have started today either.
    overall match performances won't count if we lose all shape in the last ten like we did today. Brian needs to work on this teams fitness and time the introduction of his subs better.

    Ya, I would wonder if Riedy was to come on, given the time of year, in games and inject pace. He's a class hurler.


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    #2414
    Sands81
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    letowski wrote: »
    Were going to be down our captain too for the next match, either against Wexford or Tipperary.

    Hard to see this team going far.

    We could get Cork too but like yourself I don't see Clare causing too much difficulty to whoever they meet.


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    #2415
    Feenie
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    Sands81 wrote: »
    We could get Cork too but like yourself I don't see Clare causing too much difficulty to whoever they meet.

    I'd fancy Clare to beat Cork, hopefully Brian can learn from today and we'd have a good go at Wexford and Tipp. Wouldn't be impossible us to beat them.
    this forum can be far too negative at times


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    #2416
    Feenie
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    some positives from this is that in the very least, clare are starting to show character. I mean against Limerick at the end of the first half we put it up to them and shot down a 3 point lead. Against Wexford while playing them in their own ground we fought against their come back and never let go, and similarly we held off Laois today. On the sideline today Brian didn't seem to speak that much, Tony was really leading the team with his words, like Lohan himself did in 97'. and players would usually sit pretty on the starting 15 are being thought that if they don't preform they don't start.


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    #2417
    Clareman
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    We are by far the worst team left in the championship, every team would like to get us in the next round.

    Today's performance, 3 shocking goals to let in, Laois missed some poor frees, our tackling was poor but 5 of the 6 starting forwards scored which is an improvement from the Limerick game. I still can't figure out why we didn't bring on more subs earlier, bringing on a sub with 2 minutes to go is very late and again we only brought on 4 subs.


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    #2418
    Feenie
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    Clareman wrote: »
    We are by far the worst team left in the championship, every team would like to get us in the next round.

    Today's performance, 3 shocking goals to let in, Laois missed some poor frees, our tackling was poor but 5 of the 6 starting forwards scored which is an improvement from the Limerick game. I still can't figure out why we didn't bring on more subs earlier, bringing on a sub with 2 minutes to go is very late and again we only brought on 4 subs.

    yeah our forwards are quite good. Against cork that could do damage. Our back could contain them aswell. I actually think they played well enough defensively, it's just when the ball came into the full back like you could tell they had no clue what to do. But when it came to one on one not close to goal the backs were well ontop.


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    #2419
    letowski
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    Clareman wrote: »
    We are by far the worst team left in the championship, every team would like to get us in the next round.

    Today's performance, 3 shocking goals to let in, Laois missed some poor frees, our tackling was poor but 5 of the 6 starting forwards scored which is an improvement from the Limerick game. I still can't figure out why we didn't bring on more subs earlier, bringing on a sub with 2 minutes to go is very late and again we only brought on 4 subs.

    Seadna has his moments, but he is just not an intercounty center back in any shape or form. Laois were just running down our center at will all evening. We badly need a strong physical presence there.


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    #2420
    Feenie
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    letowski wrote: »
    Seadna has his moments, but he is just not an intercounty center back in any shape or form. Laois were just running down our center at will all evening. We badly need a strong physical presence there.

    Paidí Fitz?


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    #2421
    letowski
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    Feenie wrote: »
    Paidí Fitz?

    I don't know who would be the best option to be honest.


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    #2422
    Feenie
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    letowski wrote: »
    I don't know who would be the best option to be honest.

    Diarmuid ryan could be one but he's needed in the forwards right now.


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    #2423
    Figerty
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    letowski wrote: »
    I don't know who would be the best option to be honest.

    The best option is playing full back...

    What's the story with Pat O'Connor?


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    #2424
    Danno
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    Laois goal brought back for what should have been a penalty but given as a free. Disgraceful decision. Thought Clare were patchy today, but then again so were Laois. An entertaining game over all with a close finish.


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    #2425
    golfball37
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    Tipperary are the only team in the draw we can’t beat at the moment. Not saying we will beat Cork or Wexford but I would give us every chance. If we draw Waterford after that then again we have a chance. Today was a lot more comfortable than the score line suggests, we won and we go on with a lot of things to work on, particularly teams who run at us- we need to deal with this better.


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    #2426
    letowski
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    Figerty wrote: »
    The best option is playing full back...

    What's the story with Pat O'Connor?

    I think Cleary has been solid at full back, but your point is well taken, when he was at center back, we certainly weren't as open. Thing is we would need to find a full back then. I think Pat O'Connor just isn't up to it anymore. But his only position, if he is to start, is at center back where his lack of pace wouldn't be as exposed.

    But nonetheless I have genuinely no idea who we should play at 6.

    Were going to be in a desperate position from 8-12 in the next game too without David McInerney. Our resources are already stretched razor thin. I think we will need to bring back in Ryan and Fitzgerald. I also think while Reidy is a good lad who works is socks off, I think he has struggled in the last two games to assert himself. His size just doesn't work for him in modern hurling.


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    #2427
    BloodyBill
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    Feenie wrote: »
    to be honest the only player I would have singled out for a bad performance was David Reidy, but it's due to the poor lads size profile. He shouldn't start the next day and shouldn't have started today either.
    overall match performances won't count if we lose all shape in the last ten like we did today. Brian needs to work on this teams fitness and time the introduction of his subs better.

    Youre loyalty is admirable. Maybe you are right they all played as well as they can.Its their talent and ability that let's them down so and we can't do a whole lot about that.


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    #2428
    letowski
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    I didn't think it really worked for Shane O'Donnell at center forward either. I'd still have him inside with Shanagher. I would though be open to the possibility of Ryan Taylor playing at midfield though, which is his usual position for the club. Taylor's workrate is top class and he generally uses the ball well. I think he might be the best person to fill in for David McInerney next week.


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    #2429
    Figerty
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    letowski wrote: »
    I didn't think it really worked for Shane O'Donnell at center forward either. I'd still have him inside with Shanagher. I would though be open to the possibility of Ryan Taylor playing at midfield though, which is his usual position for the club. Taylor's workrate is top class and he generally uses the ball well. I think he might be the best person to fill in for David McInerney next week.

    Lets give Lohan credit for doing differnt things.
    Who ever they play next will be second guessing the team layout. That gives about 10 minutes of figuring out at the start of the match. Of course the oppostion will be doing the same thing.

    Loosing McInerney is a huge hole.


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    #2430
    windy shepard henderson
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    Figerty wrote: »
    Lets give Lohan credit for doing differnt things.
    Who ever they play next will be second guessing the team layout. That gives about 10 minutes of figuring out at the start of the match. Of course the oppostion will be doing the same thing.

    Loosing McInerney is a huge hole.

    You were probably the only one on here to acknowledge just how good Laois were in Ennis in a very cold February day in the league

    I taught their discipline was excellent as was their attitude they are a decent side i don't care what anyone says and brennan has some job done,

    Look Loughnane always said strike while the iron is hot counties like limerick, clare and Galway need to do so more then tipp Cork and kilkenny due to their tradition

    We didn't strike again when we had the chance, Galway or limerick will strike this year and even exchange titles, with all the players we've lost we are 3 to 5 years away at the moment


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    #2431
    Figerty
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    windy shepard henderson wrote: »
    You were probably the only one on here to acknowledge just how good Laois were in Ennis in a very cold February day in the league

    I taught their discipline was excellent as was their attitude they are a decent side i don't care what anyone says and brennan has some job done,

    Look Loughnane always said strike while the iron is hot counties like limerick, clare and Galway need to do so more then tipp Cork and kilkenny due to their tradition

    We didn't strike again when we had the chance, Galway or limerick will strike this year and even exchange titles, with all the players we've lost we are 3 to 5 years away at the moment

    Brennan has done great work. He may be what Kilkenny needs as there dominance is starting to fade a little. Someone to get more out of the talent they have when Cody finishes. However, this current Laois team was formed 10 years ago when a concerted effort was made there to not only grow the talent but instill in them that they were the future of Laois hurling as 14 years of age.

    For Clare, this could turn around in a few months if you had Duggan Conlon, Galvin, Shanhan and some new talent. For now, this group needs to just go for it on the next match. I would love to be able to go to the matches now as this Clare team needs that support now.


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